Sprinter Sacre

Shemale wrote: »

If I am so stupid perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to why this poor winner of a champion chase who is returning from a leg, possibly worse for it, is a better option than the third highest rated horse of all time who has proven this year he can run a 169/ 170 race when De Grugy at his very best with an uninterrupted prep can only hope for 172.

Unless I missed something the "horse" won a champion chase beating

Somersby 6 lengths on a left handed track,
Module (who has since had Uxizandre and Dodging Bullets take massives pisses on him over course and distance) 7 lengths
Sizing Europe a regressing 12 year old 10 lengths

The form at the time looked poor and it looks crap now, also at Cheltenham over 2 miles he has finished behind Kid Cassidy (sure giving him 10lbs) and Captain Conan.

In my "mildly stupid" opinion I just can't have him ahead of Sprinter Sacre, Dodging Bullets or Uxizandre on all known form.

Perhaps you're taking it a little too personally. You said you couldn't understand how he was being put forward as an alternative. Even if I don't remotely fancy the horse in the slightest I can see how a reigning champ can be viewed as an alternative. I'm not saying it's a stupid opinion not to fancy him, I think it's a stupid (perhaps ignorant is the right word) opinion to not understand how some may fancy him.


Without being pedantic, putting the word horse in inverted comas would imply there is some sort of doubt that he is truly a horse.

Shemale wrote: »

Not taking it personally I thought you were saying I was stupid for suggesting he was not a great bet and wanted to hear why you thought he was a good bet, 4/1 is absolute daylight robbery by the bookies to my mind.

Nope, I think he is a porse, half pig half horse, last year was sickening to hear the fanfare even though Cassidy took the piss out of him. Real shame Sprinter and Simonsig weren't around to show him up as a porse.

I don't think he is a good bet, I can just see why people would back him. I wouldn't be keen on any at the minute for the race. I'd be keen enough to take on Dodging Bullets though.

I wonder how much running Sprinter Sacre at Punchestown after Aintree and Chelt took out of him. Not easy to win at the three no matter how good the horse

To be honest I hope SDG wins just to quote a few of the ridiculous opinions in the last few posts. He's no Sprinter Sacre but come on he was one of the best chasers in the UK last year. Calling the horse rubbish, even if exaggerated, is silly talk.

Pity champagne fever appears to be the Mullins choice would have loved to seen Vautour thrown into it, not the mans style unfortunately, in fact nothing even slightly interesting is his style

Gregk961 wrote: »

To be honest I hope SDG wins just to quote a few of the ridiculous opinions in the last few posts. He's no Sprinter Sacre but come on he was one of the best chasers in the UK last year. Calling the horse rubbish, even if exaggerated, is silly talk.

What is ridiculous is hoping the winner of the worst Champion Chase of recent years becomes a double Champion Chase winner just because I have stated the clear facts about him.

"One of the best chasers" in a very very very poor year for chasing, the two crack two milers off the track for the entire season, the 2013 Ryanair winner off for a year, the Gold Cup winner of 2013 a shadow of himself and a Gold Cup with 6 horses in with a chance after the last with the winner getting a mark of 163, the guts of 20lb off Denman, Kauto, Long Run and Imperial Commander.

I have absolute disdain for this excuse of a horse.

The only way he wins is a pile of injuries before or during the race, and/or the top few in the market fall. Lets hope they all make it, would love if Mullins would step a novice up.

By all means bump this post, god forbid he wins, but with no hard luck stories the three I have named will be in front of him and possibly a few more.

Shemale wrote: »

What is ridiculous is hoping the winner of the worst Champion Chase of recent years becomes a double Champion Chase winner just because I have stated the clear facts about him.

"One of the best chasers" in a very very very poor year for chasing, the two crack two milers off the track for the entire season, the 2013 Ryanair winner off for a year, the Gold Cup winner of 2013 a shadow of himself and a Gold Cup with 6 horses in with a chance after the last with the winner getting a mark of 163, the guts of 20lb off Denman, Kauto, Long Run and Imperial Commander.

I have absolute disdain for this excuse of a horse.

The only way he wins is a pile of injuries before or during the race, and/or the top few in the market fall. Lets hope they all make it, would love if Mullins would step a novice up.

By all means bump this post, god forbid he wins, but with no hard luck stories the three I have named will be in front of him and possibly a few more.

"excuse of a horse"
"disdain"

Did he bite you on the arse at some point when you had your back turned?

Panrich wrote: »

"excuse of a horse"
"disdain"

Did he bite you on the arse at some point when you had your back turned?

No, I'll tell you how I made money with Sire De Grugy, I backed Kid Cassidy against him last winter.

I backed Sizing last year and for once he found absolutely nothing when asked, had he, this SDG nonsense probably wouldnt exist.

Jesus Shemale, I'm cringing at some of the stuff your coming out with... Did one of the Moores turn down your advances or did you lose your bollix laying SDG last year?

Definitely not the most fashionable or highest rated winner of the Champion Chase, but to put a string of performances like he did last year, with all the variables that can result in a horse losing any race, was impressive.

Shemale wrote: »

I backed Sizing last year and for once he found absolutely nothing when asked, had he, this SDG nonsense probably wouldnt exist.

This post really confuses me. A classless, slow, jammy 2 mile chaser jumped a classy(but declining) beast into submission but gets no praise?

Shemale wrote: »

If I am so stupid perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to why this poor winner of a champion chase who is returning from a leg, possibly worse for it, is a better option than the third highest rated horse of all time who has proven this year he can run a 169/ 170 race when De Grugy at his very best with an uninterrupted prep can only hope for 172.

Unless I missed something the "horse" won a champion chase beating

Somersby 6 lengths on a left handed track,
Module (who has since had Uxizandre and Dodging Bullets take massives pisses on him over course and distance) 7 lengths
Sizing Europe a regressing 12 year old 10 lengths

The form at the time looked poor and it looks crap now, also at Cheltenham over 2 miles he has finished behind Kid Cassidy (sure giving him 10lbs) and Captain Conan.

In my "mildly stupid" opinion I just can't have him ahead of Sprinter Sacre, Dodging Bullets or Uxizandre on all known form.

Why do i get the feeling that you have learnt more about these horses in the last week, posting on this board, then you did in your lifetime?

The fact is if SDG came back where he left off he would beat all of the horses mentioned based on there Ascot runs. Of course chances are he won't but that's why the bookies are giving him a 16% chance of winning the CC.

This is the most open CC in years and anyone talking with conviction is talking through their pocket. imo.

rossom wrote: »

I don't think SDG will make the Festival.

Reports today he will be short of fitness for the game spirit

What did you think of Sprinters reappearence Rossom?

zpehtsfd wrote: »

then

I assume you mean than

zpehtsfd wrote: »

there Ascot runs

I assume you mean their, see now we are both learning :P

So basically your argument is SDG comes back 100% from a leg and Sprinter Sacre couldnt possibly improve 3lbs from soft ground in Ascot to match SDGs best form and Uxizandre and Dodging Bullets have stopped improving.

UrbanFret wrote: »

A 4 1/2 lenght defeat of Cue card. Wow.:rolleyes:

You're joking right? A 4 and half length defeat of a 170 rated animal hard on the steel.

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Just like the bookies some of us here give SDG a decent chance in a very open CC. The facts are there for all to read yet you seem to be clouded by some strange bias against him. Every horse in the CC either has injury or ability questions so unlike yourself i have no conviction as to what will happen.

I put across a strong opinion that I have about the horse, some people disagree with me which is fine and I love hearing other peoples takes and assessments. When someone decides to try be smart instead of giving their opinion I will respond in a similar manner:

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Why do i get the feeling that you have learnt more about these horses in the last week, posting on this board, then you did in your lifetime?

Shemale wrote: »

Reports today he will be short of fitness for the game spirit

What did you think of Sprinters reappearence Rossom?

Don't think he's the same horse he was before and don't think he will be again unfortunately.

Although he'll come on for the run, he was fit enough to win - and the old SS would have. On the back of a 13 month absence, there is no way Nicky Henderson would have left him short of work given his flamboyant and extravagant style. It would have been mad of him to have let his prized asset go in undercooked whereby he could have gotten tired and fallen. Additionally, he had a racecourse gallop at Newbury which should have gotten him fairly fit and although he'll be a sharper horse at Cheltenham I'm firmly of the belief that the Sprinter Sacre of 2 years ago would have won that race at that level of fitness (I know Geraghty went easy on him but he would have won on the bridle before)

I think it's safe to say that everyone will agree on here that one of the most identifiable traits of SS is his extraordinary jumping and how he attacks and sails over his fences. He didn't do that on his reappearance either, as he was frequently driven into fences by Geraghty.

I would love absolutely nothing more than to see SS back to his best but unfortunately I think his 10 consecutive victories over fences will be the only time we will see him at his best. Nicky Henderson made a huge mistake in running him at the 3 major festivals in the space of about 40 days and I definitely feel these exertions made its mark. Another horse that Henderson only thought about the 'now' (for all it was a gesture to racing fans on this occasion) as opposed to the longevity of the horse. Another horse he's "broken" but that's an argument for another day.

All that said, SS may still win what looks a potentially awful QMCC. SDG probably won't run, Dodging Bullets still has to prove he's a horse that can show his form in the spring (atrocious record past January). Al Ferof has never run over the minimum trip over fences and is weak enough looking on Betfair. Champagne Fever has an each way chance and is no certain winner. From there on down it gets pretty poor.

For all I'd love him to be back to his best and demolish the field, I think we've seen the last of the SS of old.

mdwexford wrote: »

Solid well thought out posts, pleasure to read.

Brilliant addition to your own comment and the thread/forum in general, take a bow