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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Where do I get my team number?


    Click points on the FPL page.

    Look at the address bar

    fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/XXXX/event-history/21/

    Where XXXX is your Team ID


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭NabyLadistheman


    Is there any place that FFFix will tell you how many of the top 1000 have played their WC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Long post warning. Only bother reading if you are interested in captain stats and diagnosing unusual levels of failure!!

    Right lads, as many of you know I've been moaning a bit, hopefully not too much, about my awful run of captain choices stretching to over 1/4 of a season at this stage.

    So this post is not to moan further, I just wanted to look at it a bit and see is it just bad luck, or am I looking at the captain choice decision is some fundamentally wrong way. I'm not picking attempted 'differential' captains, generally picking from the few genuine contenders each week, but somehow managing to pick my way carefully around their big scores and hit their blanks. It is surely statistically improbable at this stage.

    Ideally Iroced will do some in depth analysis of these figures and point out the problem and I'll fly it to the end of the season. Also wondering if anyone else has a similar run of this duration.

    Here are my stats, laid out as GW / Captain (pts) / VC (pts) / Best scoring player* (pts) / gain if I'd captained vice / gain if I'd captained Best.
    *excluding defenders and Gks who'd never really be captain options for me


    GW.............C.................VC.............BEST........VC GAIN...BEST GAIN
    Gw12......Aguero (2).....Costa (6).....Haz (11)..........9............ 9
    Gw13......Sanchez (3)...Costa (1)...Kun/Bony (7).....-2........... 4
    Gw14......RVP (2).........Hazard (9).....Aguero (16)....7........... 14
    Gw15......Aguero (1).....hazard (2).....RVP (13)........1........... 12
    Gw16......Hazard (14)......RVP. (11).....Haz (14).......-3........... 0
    Gw17......RVP.... (2).....Eriksen (1).....Haz (7)..........-1........... 5
    Gw18......bony. (2)........RVP.. (7).....Costa (11)........5............9
    Gw19......Austin (2).....Silva (6)........Haz (10)...........4...........8
    Gw20......Sterling (5).....Silva (2)......Haz (7)...........-3............2
    Gw21......Hazard (3).....Costa (6).....Sanchez (19).....3............16

    Totals...............36.............51..................115..........15...........79

    Things that jump out at me are..
    • The only week I can blame a very stupid call was 14, when I switched the c from Aguero last minute (which is why Hazard is still VC and not Aguero)
    • The rest I feel are all valid calls, but RVP is a great example of picking the bad weeks and missing the good ones.
    • Even with Hazard's haul I have averaged 3.6 points per week from my captains for ten weeks now.
    • My VC choices are woeful as well, would only be 15 better off had I gone with VC ever week!
    • Excluding the Hazard success week 16 not one other week was my captain OR vice the highest scoring player.
    • I've been very lucky to maintain a good ranking as most weeks the rest of my team have performed really well, it's been a low scoring week overall anyway, or John Terry has as scored a goal.

    How am I missing the target so consistently? Is it bad luck or am I doing something basically wrong!? Or is this not that unusual and should I just suck it up and get on with it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    FHFC wrote: »
    Long post warning. Only bother reading if you are interested in captain stats and diagnosing unusual levels of failure!!

    Right lads, as many of you know I've been moaning a bit, hopefully not too much, about my awful run of captain choices stretching to over 1/4 of a season at this stage.

    So this post is not to moan further, I just wanted to look at it a bit and see is it just bad luck, or am I looking at the captain choice decision is some fundamentally wrong way. I'm not picking attempted 'differential' captains, generally picking from the few genuine contenders each week, but somehow managing to pick my way carefully around their big scores and hit their blanks. It is surely statistically improbable at this stage.

    Ideally Iroced will do some in depth analysis of these figures and point out the problem and I'll fly it to the end of the season. Also wondering if anyone else has a similar run of this duration.

    Here are my stats, laid out as GW / Captain (pts) / VC (pts) / Best scoring player* (pts) / gain if I'd captained vice / gain if I'd captained Best.
    *excluding defenders and Gks who'd never really be captain options for me


    GW.............C.................VC.............BEST........VC GAIN...BEST GAIN
    Gw12......Aguero (2).....Costa (6).....Haz (11)..........9............ 9
    Gw13......Sanchez (3)...Costa (1)...Kun/Bony (7).....-2........... 4
    Gw14......RVP (2).........Hazard (9).....Aguero (16)....7........... 14
    Gw15......Aguero (1).....hazard (2).....RVP (13)........1........... 12
    Gw16......Hazard (14)......RVP. (11).....Haz (14).......-3........... 0
    Gw17......RVP.... (2).....Eriksen (1).....Haz (7)..........-1........... 5
    Gw18......bony. (2)........RVP.. (7).....Costa (11)........5............9
    Gw19......Austin (2).....Silva (6)........Haz (10)...........4...........8
    Gw20......Sterling (5).....Silva (2)......Haz (7)...........-3............2
    Gw21......Hazard (3).....Costa (6).....Sanchez (19).....3............16

    Totals...............36.............51..................115..........15...........79

    Things that jump out at me are..
    • The only week I can blame a very stupid call was 14, when I switched the c from Aguero last minute (which is why Hazard is still VC and not Aguero)
    • The rest I feel are all valid calls, but RVP is a great example of picking the bad weeks and missing the good ones.
    • Even with Hazard's haul I have averaged 3.6 points per week from my captains for ten weeks now.
    • My VC choices are woeful as well, would only be 15 better off had I gone with VC ever week!
    • Excluding the Hazard success week 16 not one other week was my captain OR vice the highest scoring player.
    • I've been very lucky to maintain a good ranking as most weeks the rest of my team have performed really well, it's been a low scoring week overall anyway, or John Terry has as scored a goal.

    How am I missing the target so consistently? Is it bad luck or am I doing something basically wrong!? Or is this not that unusual and should I just suck it up and get on with it?

    Not that this is any help but Ive had much the same issues since aguero was injured. You can be grateful you dodged the giroud captain episode. My strategy was aguero capt every week and Ill probably be going back to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    FHFC wrote: »
    Long post warning. Only bother reading if you are interested in captain stats and diagnosing unusual levels of failure!!

    How am I missing the target so consistently? Is it bad luck or am I doing something basically wrong!? Or is this not that unusual and should I just suck it up and get on with it?

    It looks like you have just been unlucky in close captain decisions the only one that stands out is GW18 going with Bony instead of Costa at home to West Ham. A surprising number of your biggest gain captain options were away to Southampton which isn't somewhere you are really going to consider captaining!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    jimmii wrote: »
    It looks like you have just been unlucky in close captain decisions the only one that stands out is GW18 going with Bony instead of Costa at home to West Ham. A surprising number of your biggest gain captain options were away to Southampton which isn't somewhere you are really going to consider captaining!

    Surprising too that Hazard was my best scorer 5 of 9 the weeks before this one, and Sanchez zero. You have to laugh!! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    FHFC wrote: »
    Surprising too that Hazard was my best scorer 5 of 9 the weeks before this one, and Sanchez zero. You have to laugh!! :D

    And 4 of the previous 5 harsh! All that really says though is er wtf you don't have Austin OR Kane?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    jimmii wrote: »
    And 4 of the previous 5 harsh! All that really says though is er wtf you don't have Austin OR Kane?!

    Didn't have Austin till couple weeks ago, gone now for Aguero. Only got Kane last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Of FHFC you bad, bad man. You had to make me look up my captain stats, didn't you :p Try this - in the last 5 gameweeks my captains have got me net 14pts - that's an average of 1.4pts when you take out the double factor :o

    ABSOLUTE KILLER


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    Must look at my captain stats in the morning!

    Something to keep me occupied before I'm.back to college on the 26th :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    manual_man wrote: »
    Of FHFC you bad, bad man. You had to make me look up my captain stats, didn't you :p Try this - in the last 5 gameweeks my captains have got me net 14pts - that's an average of 1.4pts when you take out the double factor :o

    ABSOLUTE KILLER

    Jaysis I've had 74 from my captains in the last 5 weeks. Just goes to show how crucial it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,511 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    qwabercd wrote: »
    Jaysis I've had 74 from my captains in the last 5 weeks. Just goes to show how crucial it is.

    Exact same here. Guessing you've gone Toure, Costa, Silva, Sterling, Costa too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    It just looks like bad luck on the surface. Having said that I tend to believe sticking with a captain is the best strategy unless there is an obvious reason to change e.g. Stick it on Hazard full time but if he has a tough away fixture and Sanchez has an easy home fixture give it to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Ok I'm getting into serious masochistic territory now - what position would 1206pts have you at currently? This is where id be if I'd likewise got 74pts out of those 5 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭OneColdHand


    manual_man wrote: »
    Ok I'm getting into serious masochistic territory now - what position would 1206pts have you at currently? This is where id be if I'd likewise got 74pts out of those 5 weeks

    ~8k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    ~8k

    Lmfao. 57,252 is my current ranking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    CSF wrote: »
    Exact same here. Guessing you've gone Toure, Costa, Silva, Sterling, Costa too?

    Austin, Sanchez, Austin, austin, Costa for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    @ FHFC. Thanks for the mention :cool: ;). Looks like I made a reputation out of myself here :pac:... and this post won't change it :o :pac:.

    First. All your bad returns are not complete fail though (e.g. Sanchez GW13 & RVP GW17 since the difference with your best scorer is relatively marginal).

    If you look at it from a pure statistical way, I'd say you're changing your captain too often. 7 different captains out of 10 GWs. 3 you used twice. I mean your captains are given only one (max two) chance(s) to shine. Now to get 8 wrong calls out of 10 is bad luck.
    My solution? Chosing 1 captain and sticking with him every week. It should increase your captain chances of getting you big returns. And since you kindly spoke of myself I calculated it for yourself from the history you shared with us. ;). Not sure you'll wish to see it though...

    GW12-21 1 captain policy

    Haz 72
    Sanchez 62
    Austin 56 (9 games)
    RVP 52
    Bony 46 (9 games)
    Sterling 36 (9 games)
    Kun 26 (4 games)

    Did it with your VC options too

    Eriksen 56
    Silva 48 (6 games)
    Costa 40 (9 games)

    Considering Kun only had 4 games and Sterling 9, trying to guess the best captain every week by chosing a candidate we all rate (from your choices I don't really see any big gamble) gave you the worst possible return from all the options you considered.

    That said. This is a purely theoretical approach which removes completely what we see, feel and think of the players in reality. A few players are consistent enough though to maybe try this "brutal" approach. It has to be noted though that every single option would have outscored what you chose over the last 10 GWs.

    But again. You isolated 10 GWs. How did you do in the 11 first ones? If you want to analyse it the fairest way possible you have to take everything into account. You can't isolate a bad run (even if it accounts for half the played season) and try find conclusions about it. As interesting as it can/will be you may miss the full picture. For example, you could have had a great run in the first 11 GWs which would average out your (C) choice luck overall.


    If you're interested, here is my captain balance from last year. I tracked it for the whole season (this year the FPL statistico site will do it for me :cool:). Forget about my personal rating system. I listed captain pts (doubled), captain scoring position out of my fielded team and how much my players who did better actually scored.

    Again, I don't want to brag about my great ranking last year (1663rd) but to put this file into context it's interesting to compare with.
    I had 11 (C) fail out of 38 GWs which is about 30% failure. I didn't list who were my actual (C), (VC) & other better scorers than (C) but what I know is Suarez was default for a big part of the season and when it was not him it was Aguero. But early on (I didn't get Suarez at the earliest possible time though I didn't wait for too long) and late on the season I did change a bit. Beware though that GW1, 31, 34 & 36 were double GWs. My {} stuff was just to differentiate the amount of games played (in a DGW) for players with the same GW return.

    2eevf9x.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    It just seems like bad luck to me FHFC, nothing wrong with the reasoning behind any of those. Iroced's suggestion of sticking with a captain sounds awfully boring to me :p. I would only do that with a Suarez or Aguero and even then I take it off them every now and then. One of the best feelings in the game is having something like Austin captained for a hat trick. I'll probably be going Kane this coming GW, so steer clear of him ya jinx!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭G1032


    Whats that website that gives your captain stats, vc stats, how much points your best captain option each week would have given you etc??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    It just seems like bad luck to me FHFC, nothing wrong with the reasoning behind any of those. Iroced's suggestion of sticking with a captain sounds awfully boring to me :p. I would only do that with a Suarez or Aguero and even then I take it off them every now and then. One of the best feelings in the game is having something like Austin captained for a hat trick. I'll probably be going Kane this coming GW, so steer clear of him ya jinx!
    I didn't say it was exciting though, just more efficient :D. Down to FHFC willing to be Mourinho or Guardiola :P.
    G1032 wrote: »
    Whats that website that gives your captain stats, vc stats, how much points your best captain option each week would have given you etc??
    http://anewpla.net/fpl/ :cool:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭G1032


    iroced wrote: »

    That's the one. Cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    FHFC wrote: »
    Long post warning. Only bother reading if you are interested in captain stats and diagnosing unusual levels of failure!!

    Right lads, as many of you know I've been moaning a bit, hopefully not too much, about my awful run of captain choices stretching to over 1/4 of a season at this stage.

    So this post is not to moan further, I just wanted to look at it a bit and see is it just bad luck, or am I looking at the captain choice decision is some fundamentally wrong way. I'm not picking attempted 'differential' captains, generally picking from the few genuine contenders each week, but somehow managing to pick my way carefully around their big scores and hit their blanks. It is surely statistically improbable at this stage.

    Ideally Iroced will do some in depth analysis of these figures and point out the problem and I'll fly it to the end of the season. Also wondering if anyone else has a similar run of this duration.

    Here are my stats, laid out as GW / Captain (pts) / VC (pts) / Best scoring player* (pts) / gain if I'd captained vice / gain if I'd captained Best.
    *excluding defenders and Gks who'd never really be captain options for me


    GW.............C.................VC.............BEST........VC GAIN...BEST GAIN
    Gw12......Aguero (2).....Costa (6).....Haz (11)..........9............ 9
    Gw13......Sanchez (3)...Costa (1)...Kun/Bony (7).....-2........... 4
    Gw14......RVP (2).........Hazard (9).....Aguero (16)....7........... 14
    Gw15......Aguero (1).....hazard (2).....RVP (13)........1........... 12
    Gw16......Hazard (14)......RVP. (11).....Haz (14).......-3........... 0
    Gw17......RVP.... (2).....Eriksen (1).....Haz (7)..........-1........... 5
    Gw18......bony. (2)........RVP.. (7).....Costa (11)........5............9
    Gw19......Austin (2).....Silva (6)........Haz (10)...........4...........8
    Gw20......Sterling (5).....Silva (2)......Haz (7)...........-3............2
    Gw21......Hazard (3).....Costa (6).....Sanchez (19).....3............16

    Totals...............36.............51..................115..........15...........79

    Things that jump out at me are..
    • The only week I can blame a very stupid call was 14, when I switched the c from Aguero last minute (which is why Hazard is still VC and not Aguero)
    • The rest I feel are all valid calls, but RVP is a great example of picking the bad weeks and missing the good ones.
    • Even with Hazard's haul I have averaged 3.6 points per week from my captains for ten weeks now.
    • My VC choices are woeful as well, would only be 15 better off had I gone with VC ever week!
    • Excluding the Hazard success week 16 not one other week was my captain OR vice the highest scoring player.
    • I've been very lucky to maintain a good ranking as most weeks the rest of my team have performed really well, it's been a low scoring week overall anyway, or John Terry has as scored a goal.

    How am I missing the target so consistently? Is it bad luck or am I doing something basically wrong!? Or is this not that unusual and should I just suck it up and get on with it?
    With a nailed on captain like Aguero out, it really serves to highlight how unbalanced the game can be at times if you get it wrong. With Aguero fit, there was realistically only 2 or 3 captain choices each week (Aguero and several other players with favourable fixtures) but in recent weeks we've probably had upwards of 10 potential good choices available to us each week.

    With only 2 or 3 captain choices available, you found that you either hit the jackpot along with most other players, or scored a blank and didn't lose much ground because so many of you were in the same boat. When captain choices are distributed around so many players as they have been recently, it really hurts when you blank because there's not as many of you in that boat and everyone else flies past you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    It just looks like bad luck on the surface. Having said that I tend to believe sticking with a captain is the best strategy unless there is an obvious reason to change e.g. Stick it on Hazard full time but if he has a tough away fixture and Sanchez has an easy home fixture give it to him.
    iroced wrote: »
    If you look at it from a pure statistical way, I'd say you're changing your captain too often. 7 different captains out of 10 GWs. 3 you used twice. I mean your captains are given only one (max two) chance(s) to shine. Now to get 8 wrong calls out of 10 is bad luck.
    My solution? Chosing 1 captain and sticking with him every week. It should increase your captain chances of getting you big returns.

    When earthhorse said this last night I was already thinking it might not be a bad idea. It's not an approach I'd normally consider. I remember debating with people over the "always captain Suarez mantra" from last year. However when I actually worked it out, I'd have been better off (slightly) if i had always captained Suarez.

    However it would certainly have left me considerably better off this year. Even if I'd gone with flipping Eriksen.

    Sticking with a player you are fairly certain will get a significant number of bigs scores over a period, and then taking the bad but more importantly the good come what may makes a lot of sense from my current position.

    Many thanks all for the analysis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭OneColdHand


    manual_man wrote: »
    Lmfao. 57,252 is my current ranking

    You can't think of it like that though. So many if's and but's in this game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭AdpRo


    qwabercd wrote: »
    Jaysis I've had 74 from my captains in the last 5 weeks. Just goes to show how crucial it is.

    I think FHFC is not counting double points when he was looking at his and you are counting double so not quite a correct comparison.

    However FHFC you are in teh top 1k so must have had the correct captain choice more often than not in the first 12 GW's, probably got Costa's big scores, in my opinion it's a lot to do with luck. In GW's 12-21 I've gotten 74 (not including the double) to your 36 however I am over 100 pts behind you overall, I missed out on Costa's big hauls early due to taking him out when he was supposed to be injuried. All swings and roundabouts.

    Just compared my first 21 weeks captains last year to this year, I managed 51 points more last year mainly due to Suarez, it's alot more difficult this year with captain choices because he was the default choice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    It's funny alright, for all our talk of transfers the captain choice is probably the biggest decision you'll make all week. As FHFC shows, it was the difference between 58k and 8k.

    I had a bad start to the season, then from week 16 - 20 I went from 233k - 20k, a large part due to captain choices


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    AdpRo wrote: »
    I think FHFC is not counting double points when he was looking at his and you are counting double so not quite a correct comparison.

    However FHFC you are in teh top 1k so must have had the correct captain choice more often than not in the first 12 GW's, probably got Costa's big scores, in my opinion it's a lot to do with luck. In GW's 12-21 I've gotten 74 (not including the double) to your 36 however I am over 100 pts behind you overall, I missed out on Costa's big hauls early due to taking him out when he was supposed to be injuried. All swings and roundabouts.

    Just compared my first 21 weeks captains last year to this year, I managed 51 points more last year mainly due to Suarez, it's alot more difficult this year with captain choices because he was the default choice!


    My captain returns in the first 11 weeks were good but not spectacular apart from a 4 week purple patch. Helped by a couple of big hauls from Aguero and one from Sanchez, but still had 4 blanks from 11.

    Without going into the same level of detail my captain bonus points GW1 to 11 were 7, 6, 2, 2, 2, 6, 6, 19, 2, 16, 13. Total 81, Average 7.3. Miles better than the last 10 obviously.

    Obviously it was over weeks 8 to 11 that I hit the high rankings, and with my bad ten weeks since I've managed to not to lose ground due to the rest of my team doing well, plus Terry's three goals. This week for example my front seven scored 19, 8, 7, 7, 7, 6, 3(c)!

    Thanks again for the great feedback lads. It all just does show just how crucial captain results are, especially where there is no Surarez/Aguero outstanding option each week. And also how luck can play a huge part in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    You can't think of it like that though. So many if's and but's in this game.

    Ah look i know, but there's no doubt captain points account for a huge amount. I'm personally very frustrated in the game recently because my squad has actually been in good shape i feel, the last 5 gameweeks have been a disaster captaincy-wise as i already pointed out, and a few other things just havent gone for me - Siggy 1st sub and not coming in both times he scored over the festive games (important to have a strong bench me a*se!), then originally choosing to get in Clichy over Zab (Clichy gets rested, Zab scores 11), and THEN shortly after choosing to get in Zab in Clichy's place (Zab scores 0, Clichy scores 15 :mad:). This game would drive ya up the wall at times


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    I've had one decent captain pick in the past 8 gameweeks, which was Yaya with 9 points, yet I've pretty much stuck hovering around 700th-2k. Really makes me think of what might have been!


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