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Greengrass1 · 04-01-2015 09:59PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Ah I don't know about that. IHFA farm walk here a few years ago, a high type, high yielding herd crossed with high EBI kiwi friesian. Plenty of compliments. 510 kg solids delivered this year on 700 kg meal stocked at 3.6 in 270 days. I'd say I left 60 kg's after me due to quota. 367 day calving interval last year and 90% 6 week in calf rate this year.

Impressive figures brown. Any of the IHFA men around here are big into there milk and embryos and all that stuff

frazzledhome · 04-01-2015 10:12PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Same as you...
If you're over you pay.
Lots in the dairy area over quota as it was an extraordinary year for grass up there.
With the country as a whole over quota there will be some producers hard hit.

I Predict some "unrest" in Paris in March.

"Unrest" is that what ye call it

Brown Podzol · 04-01-2015 10:16PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Same as you...
If you're over you pay.
Lots in the dairy area over quota as it was an extraordinary year for grass up there.
With the country as a whole over quota there will be some producers hard hit.

I Predict some "unrest" in Paris in March.

Do you predict the "unrest" will be directed at Paris or Brussels?.

Timmaay · 04-01-2015 10:22PM

Dawg how did they end up overquota if so many farmers have got out of dairying? Is the overall herd size the same? Is the overquota purely down to the excellent grass, or do the average lads with AYR systems have loads of heifers already calved down waiting in the wings for April 1st?

Dawggone · 04-01-2015 10:31PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Do you predict the "unrest" will be directed at Paris or Brussels?.

Paris. Hollande doesn't need any more grief.

Brown Podzol · 04-01-2015 10:39PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Paris. Hollande doesn't need any more grief.

H'mm. Any chance relief for French farmers would transfer to Irish farmers?.

mahoney_j · 04-01-2015 10:44PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Impressive figures brown. Any of the IHFA men around here are big into there milk and embryos and all that stuff

Whilst sort of agreeing with u gg that's a very narrow minded comment re what ur talking about,yes ther doing big volumes of milk and maby not making the best use of grazed grass or using best ebi breeding but they produce massive volumes of milk over longer lactations often doing 800 to 1000 kg plus solids,they also make huge money from selling Bulls ,breeding stock,calved cows etc.it all adds to end figure at end of year.more than one way to skin a cat than grass grass and more grass.most of these lads are milking and calving all year anyway.fair play to them and I really can appreciate what they are at but I wouldn't choose that particular route.

Dawggone · 04-01-2015 10:44PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Dawg how did they end up overquota if so many farmers have got out of dairying? Is the overall herd size the same? Is the overquota purely down to the excellent grass, or do the average lads with AYR systems have loads of heifers already calved down waiting in the wings for April 1st?

The big get bigger. Loads are leaving dairy but there is quiet expansion going on also. So, yes, herd size is getting bigger but that's inevitable, so expansion is easy for those that want to.
Over quota I think is purely down to the extra good year for grass. Not a big expansion of numbers.
See, quotas haven't really gone away here as "production rights" will exist. So there is still a kind of trade in "rights" but the price is low and there are plenty sellers. It's just a restructuring of the system. Inevitable when a market loses its protection.

Dawggone · 04-01-2015 10:53PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

H'mm. Any chance relief for French farmers would transfer to Irish farmers?.

Hard to see where relief would come from. Suck it up I think is going to be the line.

Brown Podzol · 04-01-2015 11:02PM

Dawggone wrote: »

The big get bigger. Loads are leaving dairy but there is quiet expansion going on also. So, yes, herd size is getting bigger but that's inevitable, so expansion is easy for those that want to.
Over quota I think is purely down to the extra good year for grass. Not a big expansion of numbers.
See, quotas haven't really gone away here as "production rights" will exist. So there is still a kind of trade in "rights" but the price is low and there are plenty sellers. It's just a restructuring of the system. Inevitable when a market loses its protection.

Seems the Mansholt plan is going to happen anyway without the compensation. From 40 years ago,
"The Commission published a provocative memorandum proposing broad policies to accelerate structural change in agriculture, including providing financial incentives to encourage about half of the farming population to leave the sector, with five million hectares of land targeted to be removed from production"

Dawggone · 04-01-2015 11:13PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Seems the Mansholt plan is going to happen anyway without the compensation. From 40 years ago,
"The Commission published a provocative memorandum proposing broad policies to accelerate structural change in agriculture, including providing financial incentives to encourage about half of the farming population to leave the sector, with five million hectares of land targeted to be removed from production"

On the button Brown. Thanks.
In fairness its inevitable.
Huge opportunities now though...

mahoney_j · 06-01-2015 04:51PM

Latest gdt auction up 3.6% following up on last auction which saw a 2.4% rise.auction saw a rise across all products,could we be turning a corner???

just do it · 06-01-2015 05:02PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Latest gdt auction up 3.6% following up on last auction which saw a 2.4% rise.auction saw a rise across all products,could we be turning a corner???

Ease up, I don't want to see positive sentiment till I'm up and running

mahoney_j · 06-01-2015 05:07PM

just do it wrote: »

Ease up, I don't want to see positive sentiment till I'm up and running

Still very early days but hopefully the Southern Hemisphere has and will see worst of market.all we need know is a big drought down there and some big issue with maize etc in the states meaning it all has to be incinerated!!!!!.

frazzledhome · 06-01-2015 05:37PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Latest gdt auction up 3.6% following up on last auction which saw a 2.4% rise.auction saw a rise across all products,could we be turning a corner???

Little acorns. Great to see small rise always better than small drop

loveta · 06-01-2015 05:45PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Little acorns. Great to see small rise always better than small drop

Seen that on agri land but Would want some fert put on them lil acorns to help them grow Just came of the phone From M.R in lakelands would not fill ya with joys of spring

mahoney_j · 06-01-2015 06:05PM

loveta wrote: »

Seen that on agri land but Would want some fert put on them lil acorns to help them grow Just came of the phone From M.R in lakelands would not fill ya with joys of spring

Load of urea and 18 6 12 arrived today,I'll offer a bit of each to sprinkle on those acorns if it helps.....

frazzledhome · 06-01-2015 06:09PM

loveta wrote: »

Seen that on agri land but Would want some fert put on them lil acorns to help them grow Just came of the phone From M.R in lakelands would not fill ya with joys of spring

They're in talking it down mode. Did you read FINDO today. Murphy prophet of doom selling Positive Farmers, cynical

Timmaay · 06-01-2015 06:13PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Murphy prophet of doom selling Positive Farmers

The irony ha!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-01-2015 06:29PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Murphy prophet of doom selling Positive Farmers, cynical

Are they still telling us we should be sweating our assets?

kowtow · 06-01-2015 07:06PM

Dawggone wrote: »

... "production rights" will exist. So there is still a kind of trade in "rights" but the price is low

Or co-op shares, as we call them here.

frazzledhome · 06-01-2015 07:18PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Are they still telling us we should be sweating our assets?

Was it not "double sweating"? I'd say they're s a few sweating after listening to that crap

"Blue chip" was another one
Don't buy dairy PLC shares was another

frazzledhome · 08-01-2015 03:00PM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/british-dairy-co-op-delays-milk-payment-by-two-weeks-172257/#.VK6EcfJJt4o.twitter

keep going · 08-01-2015 03:27PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/british-dairy-co-op-delays-milk-payment-by-two-weeks-172257/#.VK6EcfJJt4o.twitter

Those in thecheese business are in the perfectstorm at the minute due to the crash in milk prices between when the cheese was made and the price paid formilk to farmers and the market which that cheese is now entering.add in the Russian thing and jockeying after it means cheese makers are extremely risky territory

frazzledhome · 08-01-2015 03:35PM

keep going wrote: »

Those in thecheese business are in the perfectstorm at the minute due to the crash in milk prices between when the cheese was made and the price paid formilk to farmers and the market which that cheese is now entering.add in the Russian thing and jockeying after it means cheese makers are extremely risky territory

Imagine having you porridge of a morning and opening an email telling you that they can't pay you.

Can't change processor either as no other would want you

just do it · 08-01-2015 03:46PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Imagine having you porridge of a morning and opening an email telling you that they can't pay you.

Can't change processor either as no other would want you

Mustn't be a great speaker at the IGA at the minute

Dawggone · 08-01-2015 03:53PM

Two major news items on the local radio today and this is one.

A lot of scaremongering going on about post quota and how strong Coop's will have to be to "ride the storm".
Same happened here a few years back and the producers had to bail out the processor!! I'm not too sure what processor but Lactalis is being mentioned a lot.

loveta · 08-01-2015 05:17PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/british-dairy-co-op-delays-milk-payment-by-two-weeks-172257/#.VK6EcfJJt4o.twitter

And i wonder what will happen in two if they need more time, sounds like there gone well down the slippery slope, Gez a lad heavily borrowed and that happening to him then having to ring his creditors saying "eh bit of a problem chaps" would n fancy it.

Markcheese · 08-01-2015 06:23PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/british-dairy-co-op-delays-milk-payment-by-two-weeks-172257/#.VK6EcfJJt4o.twitter

Why do IDB want the rights to pack and market first milks cheese ?? (Is it something to do with spare capacity. )

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-01-2015 07:24PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Imagine having you porridge of a morning and opening an email telling you that they can't pay you.

Can't change processor either as no other would want you

Would those hundreds of producers that have no-one to process their milk be suppliers who changer processor regularly and are now left high and dry(or wet, i suppose)?

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