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mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dad tempted to buy liquid contract here. Loads will be doing what your doing from next yrs on. Milk everything for 300 days.
Be interesting to see if you make any more money

I reckon there could be more money in what frazzled and dar are at than having fresh autumn calvers.no calves to rear and just milk on culls and late calvers .frazz stales are milking 15 ltrs at say 45 cent a ltrs is nearly 7 euro per cow per day.that cow won't have the same diet requirement as fresh calvers and less hassle.culls would also be in super nic at there dry off time and command good money in mart.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

I reckon there could be more money in what frazzled and dar are at than having fresh autumn calvers.no calves to rear and just milk on culls and late calvers .frazz stales are milking 15 ltrs at say 45 cent a ltrs is nearly 7 euro per cow per day.that cow won't have the same diet requirement as fresh calvers and less hassle.culls would also be in super nic at there dry off time and command good money in mart.

True. I think I'll get sr as good as I can Ger it first then decide what to do with winter milk. Doubt I'm loosing money in it tbh

dar31

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dad tempted to buy liquid contract here. Loads will be doing what your doing from next yrs on. Milk everything for 300 days.
Be interesting to see if you make any more money

Not budgeting for making more money , just an easier life, more family time watch the kids grow up, better social life

For the last week rather than chasing cows bulling and ai ing, been bring the girls milking and moving kale, thought two if them to drive quad, they have been queuing up in the morning to go to work, they are trying to work out the logistics of when they go back to school
Left it to them to find solution
Something's are beyond money and profit

Deepsouthwest

dar31 wrote: »

Not budgeting for making more money , just an easier life, more family time watch the kids grow up, better social life

For the last week rather than chasing cows bulling and ai ing, been bring the girls milking and moving kale, thought two if them to drive quad, they have been queuing up in the morning to go to work, they are trying to work out the logistics of when they go back to school
Left it to them to find solution
Something's are beyond money and profit

Have seen an awful lot of my kids for the last 6 wks since the cows were dried off, and really enjoyed every minute of it. I'll be sad when feb 1st comes and back to crazy hrs. Watched the farm safety piece on the news tonight, and while I totally agree on a safety point of view, it looks like the focus now is going to be on children not being anywhere near the farmyard. I know it's for the better good, but I like my kids to have an idea what I do every day, and also think it's good for them to see a little bit of life on the farm. Sorry for going WAY off topic!!

Timmaay

Dar/DSW, fully agreed on the labour issue, Xmas week last yr I remember jacking out calves from 3yr old heifers at 2am, we had at least one heifer to train every week in the parlour from Nov right through to April, did my head in by the end of it. Only had one very handy calving in Dec this year, and nothing until Jan 22nd now, outa the farm at 6pm and only getup at 8am. And we have supplied 25% more solids this year with the same numbers, they milk much better on grass.

Cow Porter wrote: »

what protein nut are you feeding tim? any grass silage??

18%P , about 50:50 grass/maize silage (dm ratio). Last time I was talking to the feed sales rep he suggested a 50:50 mix with a 25%p balancer nut as a possible solution, when we worked through the sums it would have cost an extra 250e for 10ton, if it resulted in an extra litre per cow for the 60 days the 10t would last me it would be worth about 900 in extra milk sales! Sounds like a no brainer but with a looming SL I decided not to bother. In any case however, two of the autumn calvers have utterly melted, definitely no point feeding them more protein!

Timmaay

Just looked at the last milk collection tests, protein down to 3.36 and urea 17. Energy deficit of some sort in the diet surely?

Greengrass1

Ran out of cows meal here yesterday (16%) rep said okay to give them heifers meal (18%).
There up a bit in milk this morning a nice bit now..
So I worked out what protein there diet is
On the 6 kgs 16% and silage there duet is a little over 13%
In the 6 KGS 18% and silage there died is exactly 14%.
That would cut a good lump of milk out of them. By the look of that cows surely have capacity to do more than 25l at peak

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Just looked at the last milk collection tests, protein down to 3.36 and urea 17. Energy deficit of some sort in the diet surely?

wouldnt really read anything into the milk urea, a few people i have spoken to recently said their milk urea is very inconsistent at the minute, mine is going from 15-32 this last while pr at 3.47 at the minute

Deepsouthwest

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

stanflt

Cows avg 21 here at 4.54 f and 3.57 p

Only 30% autumn calvers in that mix

Cows getting avg 2.7 kg 16 % nut he in parlour- some getting 8 doing over 40 litres

Winter milkers avg 38 litres

A hell of a lot of cows to go dry shortly and I'm starting to worry that holding them back to calve mid to late march won't kill me next year

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Cows avg 21 here at 4.54 f and 3.57 p

Only 30% autumn calvers in that mix

Cows getting avg 2.7 kg 16 % nut he in parlour- some getting 8 doing over 40 litres

Winter milkers avg 38 litres

A hell of a lot of cows to go dry shortly and I'm starting to worry that holding them back to calve mid to late march won't kill me next year

Case in point right here, these are incredible figures

mf240

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

Good silage and a few stale cows thrown in the mix are helping the winter protiens.

And in april the high protien grass is driving milk volume and diluting your solids a little.

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

I had came problem in April most years,it's a combination of lush green grass with little or no fibre and it flows through cows,made a few changes offer straw ,hi energy nut maize based and something like beet pulp or hulls in the mix as well ive whole crop this year which I plan on buffering in through March /April so it'll be interesting to see how that goes with grass .also you'd proably have a lot of cows around 6 weeks calved and there would be a natural lull.
As for the silage not winter milking either but I'd imagine if feeding surplus bales(2/4 bale per acre stuff) quality should be nearly as good as grazed grass.real stemmy grass in silage would do the same as if you were grazing that type of stuff in normal season,depress yield,protein and give higher fat.

Deepsouthwest

mf240 wrote: »

Good silage and a few stale cows thrown in the mix are helping the winter protiens.

And in april the high protien grass is driving milk volume and diluting your solids a little.

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Timmaay

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'm amazed by some of the protein results u winter milk guys are posting here, I'm all spring so no experience of it, but I always thought winter milk protein was stuck at little over 3%. I was also led to believe(as a spring calver) that silage suppressed protein and only grass would lift it. Yet when my cows are out day in night in early april on plenty lush green second rotation grass, my protein is barely 3.2 or 3.3 and butterfat barely hitting the 3.5's. How's this?

Only 14 out of the 52 I'm milking are Autumn, in around 25%, so that's why I wouldn't be hugely happy with 3.26%p. Liquid milk is paid on solids now also so I can't just ignore solids during the winter. We use to regularly hit proteins of 2.7 or lower in the late winter/early spring before, a mix of breeding for EBI and solids, alongside alot better feeding has thankfully solved that. I'm wondering if I'm back to 3.36%p, how low will it crash to when the most of the late calvers get dried of over the next few weeks.

April protein 3.4, and fat 3.9 here last year, that's a diet of lush grass and FTY up to 8kg in the parlour of a low P (14%) nut, with a decent few mature cows hitting the 40L+. When I contrast that to the current performance it makes me want to push the whole lot of the autumn calvers around to the spring.

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

I had came problem in April most years,it's a combination of lush green grass with little or no fibre and it flows through cows,made a few changes offer straw ,hi energy nut maize based and something like beet pulp or hulls in the mix as well ive whole crop this year which I plan on buffering in through March /April so it'll be interesting to see how that goes with grass

Buffer feeding into March and April is something I'm considering also, I'm hesitant about it I'll admit because the maize at 55e/ton is not cheap feed, and who knows what price for milk Glanbia will pull outa their arse next April. Long term breeding out these HOs with 400kg+ of milk, to be replaced with a smaller more robust cow would be the aim, and keep my system simple, One man labour unit with 120/130 low maintenance cows is the aim for on my milking block.

mf240

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Stans cows are very well bred and he has them on a fair diet. Hell list it for us if we ask nicely. Plus theres 70 % spring calvers in the mix.

stanflt

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

That's what I always thought, but have u seen the figures Stan just quoted, they're incredible. I know he's farming at a super high level but still. My high milk volume in April is still only going to be around 25/26litres with pathetic pr and bf.

Don't always believe what you read- come for a visit and see for yourself

It's also a lot to do with breeding and using the right type of bull

I remember years ago when Ebi came out we advertised bulls for sale with high Ebi and high type and high milk- people said we would ruin our herd

I don't think think we did and these are the same lads that want to move to strathroy, don't want to get paid on a b-c and can't get a compact calving cause no control on fertility

Coonagh

stanflt wrote: »

Don't always believe what you read- come for a visit and see for yourself

It's also a lot to do with breeding and using the right type of bull

I remember years ago when Ebi came out we advertised bulls for sale with high Ebi and high type and high milk- people said we would ruin our herd

I don't think think we did and these are the same lads that want to move to strathroy, don't want to get paid on a b-c and can't get a compact calving cause no control on fertility

And they look at crossbred herds as if they were the arrival of the antichrist....

Greengrass1

Coonagh wrote: »

And they look at crossbred herds as if they were the arrival of the antichrist....

As a lad said to me yesterday too many farmers have become institutionalized in there own system due to quota

stanflt

mf240 wrote: »

Stans cows are very well bred and he has them on a fair diet. Hell list it for us if we ask nicely. Plus theres 70 % spring calvers in the mix.

Diet is 9kg dmd of 78 dmd plus bales at 44% dm 17 prot


2 kg 74 dmd 27% dm 17% p wagon silage

2.7 kg 16% he high maize in parlour feed to yield

5.5 kg dm 28% dm 31starch maize

And 2 kg dm of brewer and citrus mix at 6:1

All mixed in a hi spec paddle feeder- a poor mans keenan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Don't always believe what you read- come for a visit and see for yourself

It's also a lot to do with breeding and using the right type of bull

I remember years ago when Ebi came out we advertised bulls for sale with high Ebi and high type and high milk- people said we would ruin our herd

I don't think think we did and these are the same lads that want to move to strathroy, don't want to get paid on a b-c and can't get a compact calving cause no control on fertility

Thanx for the offer Stan, but I have no need to visit, I'm following ur posts for long enough to know that ur a no bull, top class operator. However u sank in my estimation somewhat now that u admitted to only having a hi-spec feeder, shame on u!

frazzledhome

Coonagh wrote: »

And they look at crossbred herds as if they were the arrival of the antichrist....

Ffs Coonagh will you keep quiet or they'll all want them. Milking like troopers 9% solids in January Runts me hole

Coonagh

frazzledhome wrote: »

Ffs Coonagh will you keep quiet or they'll all want them. Milking like troopers 9% solids in January Runts me hole

I wouldn't worry frazz those lads don't usually trust research or hard facts just salesmen....

stanflt

Coonagh wrote: »

I wouldn't worry frazz those lads don't usually trust research or hard facts just salesmen....

Ah give them some credit

Sure them lads are all going to show us how it's done when the quotas are gone- sure quota was the only thing holding the back

Sure they'll all have dairymaster parlours cause cows give 5% more milk if milked with their claw piece
If they feed mega lac they will get 2 more litres per day per cow
If the use easi fix cubicles they give 2 litre more due to comfort

Cows will be peaking at 150 litres a day on 10% solids

frazzledhome

stanflt wrote: »

Ah give them some credit

Sure them lads are all going to show us how it's done when the quotas are gone- sure quota was the only thing holding the back

Sure they'll all have dairymaster parlours cause cows give 5% more milk if milked with their claw piece
If they feed mega lac they will get 2 more litres per day per cow
If the use easi fix cubicles they give 2 litre more due to comfort

Cows will be peaking at 150 litres a day on 10% solids

Stan, you're being very bold

mahoney_j

Coonagh wrote: »

I wouldn't worry frazz those lads don't usually trust research or hard facts just salesmen....

Agree with ye but it's horses for courses,I kmow a few of these big Holstein breeders with pedigree herds and some of the finest cows you'll ever see.no faith in ebi, mostly milking and calving for 10/12 months of the year with long lactations and huge volumes of milk.its there system and there happy with it and there making money from it.thing is it ain't all from milk,there selling Bulls and heifers/calves cows for money 1000s of euros as well and that is adding hugely to bottom end figure at end of the year.often these guys haven't huge milking platforms which guys milking x breeds have and can exploit that system.a bull calf and. Cull is just a bi product.
I've been on a couple of ihfa walks and open days and whilst I'm in that position with limited land I like Stan have full faith in ebi .i can't figure out why guys like Stan and Jim Delaunay in birr aren't given more print space by the ihfa as both have very high genetic worth Holstein herds with Bulls in ai.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agree with ye but it's horses for courses,I kmow a few of these big Holstein breeders with pedigree herds and some of the finest cows you'll ever see.no faith in ebi, mostly milking and calving for 10/12 months of the year with long lactations and huge volumes of milk.its there system and there happy with it and there making money from it.thing is it ain't all from milk,there selling Bulls and heifers/calves cows for money 1000s of euros as well and that is adding hugely to bottom end figure at end of the year.often these guys haven't huge milking platforms which guys milking x breeds have and can exploit that system.a bull calf and. Cull is just a bi product.
I've been on a couple of ihfa walks and open days and whilst I'm in that position with limited land I like Stan have full faith in ebi .i can't figure out why guys like Stan and Jim Delaunay in birr aren't given more print space by the ihfa as both have very high genetic worth Holstein herds with Bulls in ai.

As I've proved to you Mj you do not need big platform for xbreds or jersey although. My herd now is 50:50 split between jex je and high ebi fr

frazzledhome

Stan you forgot Rock salt from some far flung place

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agree with ye but it's horses for courses,I kmow a few of these big Holstein breeders with pedigree herds and some of the finest cows you'll ever see.no faith in ebi, mostly milking and calving for 10/12 months of the year with long lactations and huge volumes of milk.its there system and there happy with it and there making money from it.thing is it ain't all from milk,there selling Bulls and heifers/calves cows for money 1000s of euros as well and that is adding hugely to bottom end figure at end of the year.often these guys haven't huge milking platforms which guys milking x breeds have and can exploit that system.a bull calf and. Cull is just a bi product.
I've been on a couple of ihfa walks and open days and whilst I'm in that position with limited land I like Stan have full faith in ebi .i can't figure out why guys like Stan and Jim Delaunay in birr aren't given more print space by the ihfa as both have very high genetic worth Holstein herds with Bulls in ai.

I didn't even get a mention in the winter Ihfa journal for winning an award in the section where they congratulate members on success

Think I'm annoying people with productivity