Cork GAA Discussion Thread

TTm, the support for Cuthbert from the executive has been unreal to see. Convention effectively turned into the support the football manager. I am amazed to see frank for all his faults and there are many, break his own principle of not criticising referees in order to justify cuthberts appalling year. His pitiful comments about beautiful league football deserve contempt but people must understand the context.
As for ryan, well he has imo been an appalling chairman with his 'my way or the highway' pronouncements from the green velvet covered top table. However again this is the man who cast his chairmans vote to elect Cuthbert i.e the dual facilitator over the far superior cleary. His following of cork football from his childhood.......I wonder, he is like frank a hurling man first and foremost.
However like yourself I have NO doubt however bad cork do in 2015 and imo cork will sink to division 2, heavy defeat in Killarney and out of the championship at quarter final stage - Cuthbert will get another year at least. That is the real pity of cork gaa, a total waste of huge potential

I tend to look at Frank's comments being directed at Kerry's stolen All Ireland title and the blatant favoritism shown to Kerry. For a start Coldrick from Meath erred badly in sending off Lee Keegan in the drawn match. Keegan gets reinstated after appealing to the CCCCCCCCCCCCCC and from that moment on Kerry were smiling. Coldrick has been slighted by Croke Park, and don't anybody tell me this wasn't a reflection on Meath whistlers in general. Somebody managed to get the replay fixed for Limerick, almost a home game for Kerry, and then they get another Meath ref. The less said about Reilly the better, but without his blatant 'errors' we would have a Mayo Donegal final.
I hope Frank was referring to this sickening abuse of power and his suggestion that referring decisions gave us wrong results in some of our National Competitions points in the above direction.
Ryan's disgust at the criticism directed towards the footballers is laughable as are most of his utterances during his tenure. In any case nobody blamed the footballers. They did blame the manager and his selectors and rightly so too. That effort against Kerry at home was a sacking offence and if Cubby folded his tent after the Mayo game he would have some respect from Cork football supporters. He would be forgiven for his lack of ability based on his lack of experience. Now he's in a hole and is digging a deeper one for himself and Cork's hapless senior footballers.

What is the story with Pa O'Callaghan and Micheal Cahalane lads?

Brilliant brilliant messomric astoundingly great I mean really really great article about cork ladies football.
What a read.
Thanks zetezcourt sharing it here


That's great tribute to a great team

Hopefully they win team year this year
They strike me as the type if they don't win team of the year won't loose too much sleep in their main focus is all ireland again next year and its hard to see anyone come close to them,kerry are gone imo and dublin are there but I think cork like kilkenny to tippeary have good their number.
Galway imo in few years could he be a real emerging force.


One crucial crucial points was Elaine harte reading a co signed letter from players saying that after poor poor perfermonce wanted new manager around fourteen years ago at cork ladies agm
The single biggest change imo was the change of attitude there were fed up shambles cork senior football camp was in ladies.



Look at the journey the beautiful beautiful heart endearing journey that has since unfolded, now in my eyes that real real romance fairly tale stuff not the talk some in cork have in senior play outstanding football in league at times yet in really really big games don't even come close like dublin in league, kerry and mayo yes mayo as that games cork were not one point inferior team. They were crucially time game blown out of it down by six or seven then as ed coughlan a cork man said mayo stopped playing.





See the point where she said she liked management,personally got on with them she was hurt having to do the role hand letter of no confidence but it needed to be done.
Look at cork senior football for years in mens game.

If players done similar to Larry Tompkins after seven years or Brian cuthbhert now there would be controversy and contempt from top down and people be accused of agenda or usual bluster.or players getting too big for their boots.

Point is like Elaine harte scenario this is not personal at all all all your purely doing what rights for your county.in football sense.
I have no doubt cuthbhert, Sexton. Sullivan,don Davis are nice men and love football and In four cases loyal great senior cork players.
But there being judged on management alone,purely and soley.

Here's a scenario.

If a drunk driver and you were he's best friend hopped in to car , and asked you get in would you.
Your sober now having logic thoughts purely based on reality what you see before you.

You knew him all your life.
Most common sense people wouldn't do it as emotion of best friends goes out the windows, in logical decisions for your safety. Your friends safety and other roads users must be considered.


You won't hop in car. You won't even think bout it, and you'll make sure he doesn't either.
This imo is concept where emotions liking people etc can't be confused with logic.
It should be same with sport in your there to do a job you got keep emotional side out of it.
Cody does it and no surprise why they win.
You see it too many times management, new management come in and ruthless drop guys older reigme. That's right in cases but then when win with new team built they have this sense of staying loyal to them and can't drop them and same ruthless streak got them to the top they don't possess as they travelled such incredible journey with their band of brothers they remain too loyal.
Counihan was ruthless brilliant when he first joined, way he stood firm to rightfully dropping masters and even when billy Morgan Mr cork football said cork would not win all ireland without him he stood to hes believe and even though Morgan is legend many actually support counihan magnificent call simply on field play he was right.
Counihan though became too loyal to players that won him all ireland, if he kept same ruthless conviction he started with and had tactical coach imo would been brilliant as he's commitment, pass. Communications , character spirit to never give up field play were tremendous quality that any cork fan would acknowledge.


Exceptional managers are Cody and Ryan who pick on perferormance and if not performing you wont play.





Imo our former cork cork chairman and top board men. Out former greats, media etc should read this article on cork ladies and see its actually better to call things when there wrong as only then can real real progress be made and not paint pictures that don't exist.

In fact this article should be given to everybody chairman of every club in country that's fighting old traditional ways trying to make breakthrough imo.


Fair play to current women's manager then walking away after panel made it clear no confidence vote in them.
If there no confidence in politics in party they normally resign.
In cork gaa paticularly in mens game it's immune to any no confidence though and anybody that tables such motion seen as enemy within when in fact there far from the enemy there type people want, Crave,Desire cork gaa to truly fulfil the undoubted potential at all levels in cork gaa



Look at what happened with cork strikes.
If county board listened simply listened to players and even judged Gerald Mccarthy two years purely as manager wouldn't got two year term or when players made it clear wouldn't play under him he would have resigned. We wouldn't had the dissaster that unfolded.
Gerald legacy as player was never or will be questioned one of the greatest greatest midfielders in he's day in hurling not just in cork imo.
As a player one of my heroes.
As a manager I wouldn't rate him much purely based on he's record
You see this is nothing against him. But when credit due you give it, when not you don't.
It's that simple imo you judge a manager.

Cuthbhert simply being judged manager so critism of many geuine fans is soley on that and surely eternal optimist can say well there's concerns here to be fair.
The only media man to raise concerns clearly was eammon macsweenry in Sunday independent in the summer.
I have huge huge huge respect admiration for christy o connor many times said im fan, still read he's articles, he gave ringing endorsement of cuthbhert and imo
Should waited till he knew selection appointments.
To be fair he had mentioned that it be crucial but imo wait too know full picture before we judge
Information opens up the world of possibilities imo.
As soon as I saw selection appointment I'd grave concerns lack real real proven, tactical coach in set up and overall said very naive inexperienced back room team that when you compared to the mayo. Dublin kerry, Tyrone, donegal cork were imo miles off.



Fair enough christy opinion but imo surprisingly he's research is consistently so so brilliant was imo incorrect in he's said club expierence cuthbhert was extensive, but he failed to look at lack success at club level ballyclough, Bishopston etc.
Imo many managers manage lots clubs don't mean there good though.

I would like to think a man of he's wisdom gaa Knowledge, if is bad year and he's a real statistical man will start to ask questions of cork set up if there relegated,as if we're relegated stats won't be pretty, I hope to god cork are not, as despite the pr spin just like in hurling imo relegation would be a dissaster of dissaster if that happens this year for cork football with level of talent they have.

I say this now rather been seen jump on bandwagon after.
With draws of four away games it's real real concern imo.
Dublin will come to cork to win, and could very well win it.
Kerry loosing first few league games if start slow will actually take cork game seriously for once
I hope kerry loose first two league games as I want no false dawn when we meet in the league.
You want to beat kerry only when you know they want to win.
The only game im confident of is mayo as I can't see joint manager working.

See the way Juliet Murphy said cork football had no tradition or culture at senior.
See how it was developed.
Now cork mens football has traditional seven all ireland not much but it's start ladiesthe never had. Cork had some foundation to build a house. Cork ladies started from nothing in a sense at senior





Cork football if they demand more don't just accept their fate Do what cork ladies did change their future they could be great.



Cork ladies had talent in win club titles and underage etc , current senior football team very similar the talent is there.
I really really hope that for the love of cork football , that purely on results this year if things are not right we get which did not get last year is realistic assessment and former cork greats etc purely judge on field play cork football and if it's good say it but if it's bad say it as again attuide not to accept things are bad means how can cork change for the betteer.
This dare not critise motto won't serve cork football any good in future and those belive it fair enough but imo they fool of no one but themselves.



Cork ladies had no real traditional values or history yet took tremendous courage bold conviction to say enough is enough we can't stay under current management.
Nothing is impossible to the brave and faithful is munster rubgy.
That springs to mind cork football at ladies.
That same courage and willingness to evolve and fight for better future off the field really showed those players had real values to win on it.


That article and I read some good ones this year has to be the best this year.
What an inspirational read, unbelievable imo.
Ryan when he went in had proven record at clubs in senior. Intermediate. Junior in cork mens game in hurling also with two senior county na piarssigh. All ireland male minors football title.
You can't beat a proven track record at any level in management.
Great management is truly imo king of the jungle.



Just watch cork minors hurling which I'm hugely hugely justifiable confident munster final appearance at least as landscape changed both cork limerick considerably last week, Under twenty football , junior football , all thrive next year.
Under twenty one hurling will also. May not win munster but will make huge improvement


Intermediate hurling can't be judged til year two as new team but as long dwane isn't main guy may do okay but I'd worry as dwane record is poor In management.
Cork hurling, is undecided imo in landers may work, we're not sure just yer but I'd expect cork to get all ireland hurling semi final and I disagree strongly jbm today paper winning munster is easiest way all ireland.
That who knows could be just spin doctoring to be fair to jbm.
I find hard believe munster title is he's goal next year.
Last year I done preview of cork chances all codes both men and women and I was right in practically my assessment majority

I'd said cork hurling could be but greatest concerns was tactically.
Cork football feared but I never saw humiliating defeat to kerry by that scales
I was wrong.


I was wrong in under twenty one hurling. Gave cork no chance v Waterford.
Cork won but waterford were poor and Patrick Collins gave awesome awesome display goal keeping that saved cork.
Imo he should be keeper in team of the year as he's breathing display had salvaged win against odds on a poorly managed cork team.
Collins was unbelievable that night.
If anyone thinks it's hard to judge team chances imo it's not, start from management and back room team and then assess

Talent is absolutely irrelevant if coaching is not there to coach them, imo.

Ag mhuire v rochestown in the callaghan cup

This is strange for Me in doing the match ups.
In both cork teams I have no real preference one over other so maintain that neutrality I'd said I say what would work for both teams as normally if was just one cork team I'd say what cork needed just do to win.
I don't think any team will play a sweeper in be open game and after playing doon and then castetroy period with sweeper when coutes sent off and colmans also in this cup no reason why ag can't near a sweeper if one faces them

Rochestown have faced caoimhins and beaten Paul kinnerks sweeper system so they know how to beat one.



If your rochestowm you would would rather Griffin outstanding full back play lee in that he's strength and direct style more suited him than the night mare gunning is to mark in he's so elusive and fast
It's no exaggeration to say most defender in country not county would struggle hold dan gunning

He's touch is awesome , pace electric. Feet are balanced magnificent and he's hurling brain matched with dog and bite in he's hurling in he's great to tough it out win dirty ball and he's ruthless in front of goal, if it's on he'll go for it none this soft scoring option nonsense.

Just sixteen he's going to get better and better and better

If your ag you put dayne lee this game only at full forward in Griffin may mark him but gunning and sheehan just fifteen awesome talent then even though Murphy is good back its hard to hold all three of gunning sheehan and lee as outstanding Griffin would have enough to do hold lee.

If I was Douglas I'd play sweeper with magnificent Ryan cantwell in role in just between full back line and half back line as your douglas best chance to have stop gunning lee and sheehan is stop them at source getting ball as if get it be almost impossible to stop



If your ag fan and rochestowm play sweeper then you move out lee and him aherne ball winners but can score with bhraham if fit half forward line then can score distance beat sweeper so there's options there


If your rochestowm you have problems in Griffin needed half back to stop aherne or lee if both start there but he's needed also inside then in full back line, cashman could have tough hour in watching aherne
Kelleher sheehan are good backs but aherne just sixteen is just class


Midfield should be mouthwatering o brien and course brilliant sullivan up against coughlan fine hurler complimented by leary

I expect Cormack rochestowm and bhraham for mhuire ag to both drop back help teams also in midfield battle.


If your rochestowm you put Shane Kingston in full forward, keeps eddie gunning occupied as gunning can't be free man he'll control game like dan carter all blacks if allowed.
He's a diamond.


You sacrifice potential Kingston with gunning in if gunning I's kept inside Cormack and I'd bring Powter out half forward could score but callaghan and Donovan no bad defenders

If your ag mhuire you try keep gunning at centre back to do that you put callaghan back to full back on Kingston with sullivan double defending him on breaking ball. Yes you leave spare man free for douglas but leaving liam sullivan or lynch free while good hurler won't do damage like Kingston

That leaves gunning free to control the centre.

I don't mind who wins this game but if I had choose maybee ag slightly only fact lost dean Ryan cup two years ago ideally don't want them loose second final in they may begin doubt themselves and rochestown I don't think will in won all group games and munster b there on crest wave

Impossible to call as match ups could be anything but I'd say ag will edge it but lot depends on lordan and shorten and o grady reading game as been mixed bag so far in were not on ball v castetroy, doon were but still had wrong man on barry Murphy so I'm still not convinced.
O grady imo has have leading say in the team selection now in harty and he should coach coaches as they could learn from he's astute reading of the game.
A draw be ideal result once replay went ahead before Christmas.
you don't want any injuries or huge loosing margin by either team as harty cup quarter finals is close and these two team probably have best chance any cork teams winning it but hammies if avoid Ard scoil could go very far.
Youghal huge admiration for but can't see them winning harty cup as they lack fire power bar Dalton.
However there certainly would have a real chance to beat castetroy imo should they meet.


Draw harty tonight at 8


Plenty to talk about cork hurling later school wise

Let's hope cork get good draw


Hamilton avoid Ard scoil and rochestown too avoid them hopefully
Hopefully Hamilton avoid ag mhuire hopefully rochestown avoid ag mhuire

Rochestown got nenagh be ideal


Hopefully ag mhuire get Thurles imo well capable winning and youghal get castetroy

North mon defence being ripped to shreds here. Rochestown have wasted about 3 goal chances

Harty Cup Quarter-Finals
A Hamilton High School Bandon V Ardscoil Rís
B Rochestown College V Nenagh CBS
C Castletroy CC V Pobalscoil na Tríonóide Youghal
D Thurles CBS V Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG

Corn Uí Mhuirí Quarter-Finals
A Rochestown College V Coláiste Na Sceilge
B St Brendans V HS Clonmel
C Clonakilty CC V IS Killorglin
D PS Chorca Dhuibhne V Tralee CBS

Semi-Finals: A v B, C v D

zetecescort wrote: »

Harty Cup Quarter-Finals
A Hamilton High School Bandon V Ardscoil Rís
B Rochestown College V Nenagh CBS
C Castletroy CC V Pobalscoil na Tríonóide Youghal
D Thurles CBS V Gaelcolaiste Mhuire AG

Corn Uí Mhuirí Quarter-Finals
A Rochestown College V Coláiste Na Sceilge
B St Brendans V HS Clonmel
C Clonakilty CC V IS Killorglin
D PS Chorca Dhuibhne V Tralee CBS

Semi-Finals: A v B, C v D[/QUOTE

TTM you nearly got all 4 Harty games correct ....

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Brilliant draws for cork schools ones I wanted bar Ard scoil v hammies

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/leinster-senior-football-colleges-1836687-Dec2014/
But all three have chance of winning.

Rochestown don't have much fear in nenagh imo
I watched nenagh play challenge game Sunday gone, first time I saw them this year, good qualities but certainly beatable and what I heard midelton could beaten them bar poor management and as I said midelton picked wrong team that simple really and truly at the end of the day


I think rochestown management so shrewd they will have their home work done on nenagh.
Stop two key forward nenagh, rochestown will win.


Youghal best hope was castetroy and they got them they with a plan can win

Ag on paper can win v Thurles but after tonight as I thought would win edge it only if match ups I said we're got right   but management really concern me in tactical stakes as they got it badly wrong at start but crucially they didn't react games flow at all.
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O grady simply got to, take over key selection and tactical side or Thurles will beat them handy.
With o grady they can go a long way imo.

Hammies have chance but Ard scoil be favourites but that game likely be mallow and Hamilton beat dungarvan mallow last year .
Got hammered by Ard scoil the ist round last year but actually gave great display v Ard scoil the last day but Ard scoil had wind huge Advantage in got lead hard come back and Ard scoil got lucky goal

Hard see Hamilton winning but having said that won't lack courage but If keep close ist half gives them hope. Any team can it's hammies but got to simply got to play a system where full back line is protected in there conceding goals and don't have a full back in presence outstanding commander in Michael macsweenry like last year.




Semi final draw
Tough for rochestown who could likely face Ard scoil should they beat nenagh
But they imo would be real danger to Ard scoil. Expierence last year, and there strong team and management are very good and fahy is oola man so be aware limerick hurling and Ard scoil.



Ag if they get act together glorious chance in beat Thurles would not fear castetroy or youghal.

Good draw in three games and no cork derby.
As double said Three draws I hoped for cork teams they got.

Overall good for rochestown in fact great draw to get nenagh, tough one v Ard scoil if they meet in the semi final.
Daniel Meaney if he can be back by semi final should they make it remains to be seen , then huge huge bonus as if meet Ard scoil they need to have him v ronan lynch. Need he's expierence up against vastly expierence ronan lynch

Cork senior footballers play ist game 2015 v Mary I mcgrath cup mallow 4th January
Cork will win this in canter.
So I won't be getting carried away, cork turned corner and yes progress made on that game alone.
This game absolutely minimum expectation is win by at least eight points in cork football back training last two months or so and college teams have lot disruption over Xmas with main focus on siger son cup competition.
Tippeary be corks biggest test in this competition imo.

What's important is team selection and the key is midfield pairing as yes ist game but you can always find key indicators of teams directon and vision under management even these games by crucially examining key positional selections.

As for tonight final callaghan cup
Tactically ag were poor that's fault management you can not blame the players.
Rochestown on paper may not have stars in numbers às ag mhuire but they do brilliantly tactical wise Longeran and fahy have boys well drilled
Tremendous congratulations to them callaghan cup huge win. And in ist year harty cup reached semi final last year so expierence last year stand to them just like with Hamilton

Rochestowm selector I said before was at youghal v csoimhins to anaylise both teams, shows research they do and tonight again got it spot on tactically wise.


Aidan longergan from Cashel in the back room team and a top top coach so he'll know tippeary hurling inside out and knows nenagh

Lee was right to be half forward any game bar this as said preview time was to put in full tonight limited Griffin even didn't score meant Griffin couldn't command aera, with lee out there Griffin expierence of playing under twenty one carriglaine showed it he had sheehan and gunning covered at times from play in covered he's zone brilliantly and ag mhuire had no real real leader line inside when needed expierence

One time lee should played inside,they played him outfield tonight , v castetroy when should players him outside in this game they played him inside in the full forward line.

John sullivan has be looked at for cork has be.
Lads here called him whooper nickname , my nickname is he's like a magpie for scavenging loose ball Which imo ultimately huge huge compliment time and again he comes out in a swarm bodies again again with the ball.

He's like a magpie in natural instinct scavenging ball to survive and such predatory awareness of any people coming close to him in he always one step ahead he's enemy.
Two years left at this level and minors he's superb player.
He's just sixteen but clearly good enough cork minors as limerick played few under sixteen last year.
This lad has had an exceptional year In under sixteen munster b, callaghan and harty cups.


Wonderful game tonight by Kingston at times mcormack, Griffin, and sullivan and Murphy.

Dan gunning never got enough quality ball but was good when got ball and Griffin read line well also.
Aherne I felt shouldn't be taken off, leary, callaghan had good games.

Gunning was very good at back but rochestown kept him away centre, and when he full back played short ball so bypassed him.
Tactical warfare again in school games tremendous credit rochestown for tactically getting system right to fulfill brilliant hurling skill of players they have.
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Good game but six points loss but thank fully wasn't big scores to demoralised them for Thurles game.
If ag learn they can improve.
But that's two games now and in parts v doon imo they tactical wise been found out.
Management imo are at a crossroads now,must choose the right road Do so an incredible journey awaits.
If they choose the wrong path they could go down a cul de sac.
If beat Thurles they have huge chance getting to a harty cup final that in itself guarantees them if they make the final two games at least.



One other issue of note waterford hurling got beaten again tonight that's four challenge games in row beaten now so there seriously trouble there as can't win challenge games even in wexford. Galway. Dubs, clare, beat them


The good news for cork is mcgrath hasn't got clue what he's doing, saw Friday games poor coached team.

Likely hood is mcgrath could be gone by the summer so it remains to be seen who will go in with one leading man who imo who would make an excellent coach them I's joining Laois hurling having worked in cork club scene

Jamsie o connor who brilliantly coach carrigtohill could be coach of another team already, daly in limerick, they have limited options it would seem to fill if mcgrath goes.
I geuinely feel for Waterford as hurling talent Is there and cork football is in a similar scenarios imo even so when some said paper that Waterford being too critical of mcgrath just like cork say same cuthbhert, when mcgrath has had poor start year,coaches leaving and he couldn't even have a sub goal keeper for wexford challenge game.
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Clare winning shows intent imo in playing challenge now seriously targeting the league.
Cork need to stop doing lot fitness and start doing ball work.
They say things happens in three, Wallis leaving limerick, hartnett joining cork, and now harty cup draw been relatively good its imo been good week for cork hurling.


Rochestown will imo struggle in the football, clonakilty will have a chance v killorgin imo.
Worry for rochestown is the dual players imo.
School doing brilliant munster b hurling champions,harty cup and corn u mhuire quatre finals.
There a credit to cork.
Fair play to them.

I am absolutely astounded by the Ag mentors. Rochestown deserved their victory they won all the key battles. The first half was a game of chess and was dour and not at all entertaining. Their is no doubt the Ag have the players but the mentors do seem to be struggling. Taking off Killian Aherne was a suicidal move and the tatic of having him hugging the sideline away from the main area's of play is simply astounding.
One example of play highlights the flaws in the AG thinking and player choice Aherne won a ball on the far side broke a tackle and played a looping hand pass over the unrushing defender to Hanafin, hanafin cut for the corner, aherne continued his run to give him an option. the pass was on and Aherne had a clear run on goal, Hanfin struck an aimless ball across the pitch which ran out of play. This typfies the kind of play I have seen from the AG all year and and against lesser teams they have gotten away with this. In my opinion they have quality young players but don't have the confidence to use them.

Some needs to tell lordan and Co that this Aherne kid needs a central role either in the middle of the park or as a centre froward with Dayne lee feeding off him. This is a no brainer. Lee apart from his goal was annyomous he is continually being played out of position where he can't influence games. it is not his fault as he is trying hard. Coughlan and Leary were outplayed and outmuscled in midfield and its evident that Leary is essentially a half back and is out of his depth in the midfield area. Donovan was excellent at half back but he was essentially on his own. Kingston and pouter were excellent for rochestown very mobile and hungry. Eddie gunning is a fine hurler but he was obivously under instruction to hit diagonal cross field balls, this back fired when they were cut out and over hit regularly. Evan sheehan and Dan Gunning need low ball to prosper they fed off scraps. They got no service. When the game intensified early in the second half the AG went missing. Braham who replaced aherne took one hit and went mising for the remainder of the game. Sullivan was good for Rochestown but he did have a free role.
Danny Gunning was the shining light for the Ag superlatives do him no justice. I was glad I paid to see him play, simply awesome.
Rochestown were good value for their win and great credit is due to them. I agree with TTM that O' Grady needs to get involved with the team selection as I can see the Ag exiting the competition against my old alma mater Thurles CBS. Given the fact 12 of the starting 15 are from the Na parsaigh club then perhaps a little consultaton with the mentors might put them on the right track regarding playing individuals in correct positions. It might help otherwise I fear this is as far as they go in the harty. It would be a shame as they have serious talent at their disposal.

seventh7 wrote: »

I am absolutely astounded by the Ag mentors. Rochestown deserved their victory they won all the key battles. The first half was a game of chess and was dour and not at all entertaining. Their is no doubt the Ag have the players but the mentors do seem to be struggling. Taking off Killian Aherne was a suicidal move and the tatic of having him hugging the sideline away from the main area's of play is simply astounding.
One example of play highlights the flaws in the AG thinking and player choice Aherne won a ball on the far side broke a tackle and played a looping hand pass over the unrushing defender to Hanafin, hanafin cut for the corner, aherne continued his run to give him an option. the pass was on and Aherne had a clear run on goal, Hanfin struck an aimless ball across the pitch which ran out of play. This typfies the kind of play I have seen from the AG all year and and against lesser teams they have gotten away with this. In my opinion they have quality young players but don't have the confidence to use them.

Some needs to tell lordan and Co that this Aherne kid needs a central role either in the middle of the park or as a centre froward with Dayne lee feeding off him. This is a no brainer. Lee apart from his goal was annyomous he is continually being played out of position where he can't influence games. it is not his fault as he is trying hard. Coughlan and Leary were outplayed and outmuscled in midfield and its evident that Leary is essentially a half back and is out of his depth in the midfield area. Donovan was excellent at half back but he was essentially on his own. Kingston and pouter were excellent for rochestown very mobile and hungry. Eddie gunning is a fine hurler but he was obivously under instruction to hit diagonal cross field balls, this back fired when they were cut out and over hit regularly. Evan sheehan and Dan Gunning need low ball to prosper they fed off scraps. They got no service. When the game intensified early in the second half the AG went missing. Braham who replaced aherne took one hit and went mising for the remainder of the game. Sullivan was good for Rochestown but he did have a free role.
Danny Gunning was the shining light for the Ag superlatives do him no justice. I was glad I paid to see him play, simply awesome.
Rochestown were good value for their win and great credit is due to them. I agree with TTM that O' Grady needs to get involved with the team selection as I can see the Ag exiting the competition against my old alma mater Thurles CBS. Given the fact 12 of the starting 15 are from the Na parsaigh club then perhaps a little consultaton with the mentors might put them on the right track regarding playing individuals in correct positions. It might help otherwise I fear this is as far as they go in the harty. It would be a shame as they have serious talent at their disposal.

It's truly truly beyond belief that management can't read a game

How many times have we said before games me and you what they need to do yet they Make poor calls so if we can see it why can't they
Lordan has good quality but I'd have him coach drill o grady has take over


It was appalling imo that I like many knew barry Murphy doon was main danger man last harty game and gunning needed mark him yet ag nearly lost that game by the failure to start gunning on him then couldn't even put gunning on him in the game



Thurles are good but west college's drew them
As I said before and after Ard scoil had wrong team picked that game so Thurles are not good as they think are

Flannans are not teams of old in Ard scoil. B team beat them handy

Thurles can be beaten

Lee being called up cork senior panel as well has to be managed right
Under no circumstances does he play ist game on eleventh January as harty quatre final following week

Rochestown will win v nenagh in two men you stop

You put Griffin on hayden
And you put cashman on cahalan
Cahalan lords air I mean lord air
I nearly even take Griffin out need be swap cashman if required


Kennedy and peters half back are strong and loughanne gave exhibition hurling v brilliant darragh Carroll in game v limerick minors Sunday so needs be watched but there difficulty is stop cahalan and hayden other forwards lack scoring



In that challenge game they on possession absolutely were equal most game if nit even ahead problem was two main forward were out so they struggle up front as seen by low score return


Also full back line as unit is weak in hammies took them for four and limerick minors full forward line took them for three goals and like houninhan Fitzgerald, mackey were not playing

Excellent full forward Davy hannon got two goals the pallasgreen hurling player so he's good but imo Kingston as good if not better you start Kingston full forward with Powter
The full back line have no choice but drop peters or Kennedy back thus do that they limit influence either in centre and Kennedy long scoring potential is diminishes playing deep

Cormack is given freedom to score at half forward then


Nenagh have be respect in well coached and have great attuide and work ethic and credit to school and tipp hurling what they achieved but rochestown on paper imo have too much for them

Obviously need have match up right and lads must be focused

Youghal can win but have players sweeper as doon beat castetroy that system colmans had pushed them close with sweeper
They don't like it
Youghal one to nine fine
Have to put darragh o brien on Nash no ifs and buts

Nash too expierenced at minor under twenty one limerick to put brilliant sixteen year old Kevin Murphy on him
Dalton need to take Andrew la touché once they cancel each other out fine
They must simply must start David abgreendaahor from killeagh to have any chance

Keep it close low scoring this is winnable

Seats from Pairc Ui Chaoimh for sale for €5 each, "perfect condition" according to Bob Ryan, never mind that the tops are cut off the back of the seats.

zetecescort wrote: »

Seats from Pairc Ui Chaoimh for sale for €5 each, "perfect condition" according to Bob Ryan, never mind that the tops are cut off the back of the seats.

Your joking me

Is this real!??
Are they selling them have you link

TTM.. Why do u think Donal Og is such an authority on Gaa and cork Gaa. He has a platform and it gains him publicity. Would like to see him involved at minor or u21 but has he really any interest in that?

TTM.. Clem Smith will be grand, he has a lot of experience but Ballyhea have tough yr ahead and he is going to need all things going their way. They have tough draw V Rockies, won't win that, then they face losers of Barrs & Douglas.

Cork minors have match tomorrow night, I presume they must have panel at this stage if c/ship is April.

Smith614 wrote: »

TTM.. Clem Smith will be grand, he has a lot of experience but Ballyhea have tough yr ahead and he is going to need all things going their way. They have tough draw V Rockies, won't win that, then they face losers of Barrs & Douglas.

Cork minors have match tomorrow night, I presume they must have panel at this stage if c/ship is April.

Is he confirmed smith??


What time minors on at??thought was Saturday

Panel around thirty or so id imagine for championship


I'd say won't be set stone yet in hartnett have say I'd think

John sullivan imo has get trials
So young but brilliant season
Very much old style cork midfielder and very similar pat hartnett

I said wouldn't make it this year bit he's form been nothing short phenomenonal