Cork GAA Discussion Thread

commonsense.

Can anybody tell me what the CCB are really about? It's certainly doesn’t seem to be interested in the development of our games in any meaningful way. I was chatting recently with a couple of teachers involved with one of our very prominent GAA schools, a school fielding somewhere in the region of 8 teams. Their total financial assistance from CCB this year is the grand total is zero, nothing, nil, zilch. Not even a fcuking football or sliotar. Jaysus I knew things were bad in this regard but I was flabbergasted that they don't even get a sausage. No wonder we have no minor AI title since 2001 or U21 title since God knows when.
To put this in contest, 3 limerick hurling schools (Castletroy,Doon,ASR) have received €40,000 each this year to help their cause. Yes, €40,000. I know this is facilitated via JP but that's beside the point. I heard about this €40,000 a few months back but was disinclined to believe it despite my source being very good. However my teacher acquaintances confirmed it.
Now while any individual school wouldn't need anything like €40,000 (though it would be nice), to get nothing from CCB is disgusting. How do They (He) get away with it???

Horse84

It actually sickens me to hear about this carry on.To answer your question I think it's mainly cause the schools know no better in that it's always been like that.

dcrosskid

commonsense. wrote: »

Can anybody tell me what the CCB are really about? It's certainly doesn’t seem to be interested in the development of our games in any meaningful way. I was chatting recently with a couple of teachers involved with one of our very prominent GAA schools, a school fielding somewhere in the region of 8 teams. Their total financial assistance from CCB this year is the grand total is zero, nothing, nil, zilch. Not even a fcuking football or sliotar. Jaysus I knew things were bad in this regard but I was flabbergasted that they don't even get a sausage. No wonder we have no minor AI title since 2001 or U21 title since God knows when.
To put this in contest, 3 limerick hurling schools (Castletroy,Doon,ASR) have received €40,000 each this year to help their cause. Yes, €40,000. I know this is facilitated via JP but that's beside the point. I heard about this €40,000 a few months back but was disinclined to believe it despite my source being very good. However my teacher acquaintances confirmed it.
Now while any individual school wouldn't need anything like €40,000 (though it would be nice), to get nothing from CCB is disgusting. How do They (He) get away with it???

40,000?? That would cover absolutely everything for the year. New jerseys, togs, socks, training tops and meals, transport to & from games & possibly a few days away for the senior team for a training camp. That is some head start they are getting in fairness.

I agree though, county boards should definitely be targeting the schools through funding. I might look into the Tipp schools & see are they getting anything from the county board.

Cu Baire

dcrosskid wrote: »

40,000?? That would cover absolutely everything for the year. New jerseys, togs, socks, training tops and meals, transport to & from games & possibly a few days away for the senior team for a training camp. That is some head start they are getting in fairness.

I agree though, county boards should definitely be targeting the schools through funding. I might look into the Tipp schools & see are they getting anything from the county board.

Lads are ye really going to believe that €120000 was give to 3 secondary schools to spend on their hurling teams??????????????????

Smith614

Cu Baire wrote: »

Lads are ye really going to believe that €120000 was give to 3 secondary schools to spend on their hurling teams??????????????????

Rubbish talk. Some counties have budgets less than €120000.

commonsense.

The 40000/120000 is largely irrelevant here. The point is that CCB are doing practically nothing for our GAA schools.

Scarecrow 2

Well it is a well known fact at this stage that the CCB couldnt care less about the development of players. But the €40,000 if true. (I would strongly doubt it) comes from a wealthy man that unfortunately we don't have on cork that is interested in our games..

I know a buisness man that's involved in a limerick supporters club up the country and he was telling me before that they contributed to Ard Scoil Ris buses when they won the Harty a few years ago because they had no money.. So either the 40 grand they got/get was being mispent or is a fiction story. What limerick do seem to have is good personal in there main schools.

I believe more can be done with our schools but where does one start. do the CCB give money or gear to let's say Rochestown, Ag, youghal and Hammies in hurling and fachtnas, macroom, Christ ri and rochestown again in football and **** the rest??

I don't know the answers of solution but pls god Ger lane and our new board might have a plan to put something in motion. In saying all that it is promising to see our schools showing a big improvement accross the county in past 2 years. Goes to show with right attitude from teachers and students what can be done. It is a pity our board doesn't drive it on another notch now that we are back up and running.

SchoolsFan

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Seems core bunch of the lads alright

Thanks school fan
Gunning goals decided it it seems so I wouldn't be unduly worried




So far what I seen this year cork minors with full strength team I'd go with
Dalton has to be in goal
David Griffin, Ian cahill, smith

Half back line
Darragh o brien , Chris o leary cashman

Brendan Mccarthy donal English

O mahony kingston Flynn

Looney halloran gunning

Some tough tough calls but that team would take some stopping.
If they get to munster final, I'd nearly prefer a loss as these guys need games and they will improve with games.
They will need a run and croke park would bring out of them
Only this year with talent available and management proven if cork dont make munster final I'll only then say yes cork talent is overrated and not there as I firmly believe it's there just we hadn't management to utile it

This minors team has huge hope next year
The problem limerick have hold not one but all six forwards.
You hold three even, cork have Cormack, beausang, dunne to spring from the bench, kenneally fine sub keeper, add in conor Cahalane huge depth in defenders
Shane Walsh and landers not on the panel it tells it own story, huge depth, real real depth this team imo in the panel. .

It's going to be very hard to pick that final team

What be your team school fan??

Just on the AG the coaching ticket has gotten some unfair criticism on here. IMO Spoke with a respected ex-Cork hurler about the O'Callaghan Cup final who was also at the minor game last Sunday. He made a great point that the only difference was that the AG players work rate was phenomenal last Sunday where as against Rochestown they didn't match them in that department. There wasn't any over complication of tactics, it was just simply the players left Rochestown win the rucks to easy and didn't work as they did in the Doon game in particular. He said Doon are a better team than Rochestown, but for some reason the AG didn't bring the same work rate. Very hard for management to set attitudes once the white line is crossed, great article by Noel Sheedy on this a few years ago.

My Cork Minor Team: one point I think is very important, after watching the Harty Schools, CBC and Criost Ri in the O'Callaghan and a lot if club games there is no doubt that there are the hurlers in Cork to win the minor All Ireland, very important that the positioning, man management are correct and also that Cork bring a tactical game plan to each game and importantly can adapt during games, something they did not do against the AG. The more I reflect Cork left a possible Munster and All Ireland behind them in 2013 when they should have beaten Waterford in Pairc Ui Rinn and showed none of the above planning or ability on the line.

Goal. Decie Dalton, excellent puck out, the trajectory is a forwards dream, secure under high ball, decent shot stopper, long range free taker extraordinaire

Full Back Line.
2S. smith. Great man marker, can play in front or behind, good in the air, great tackler and importantly holds a half Hurley when doing this, versatile can go Half Back
3Griffin. Strong, great man marker, a forwards nightmare if he is static, possible weakness if moved laterally, see Rochestown game plan if you want to prevent this
4 ??????? Not Ian Cahill
5Darragh O'Brien, physical under the puck out, great positional sense and a platform for attacks, he delivers lovely ball
6Chris O'Leary tentative vote here. He tends to stand up on his man and gets dragged high leaving space inside, minor inter county space in front of the full back line can be so dangerous
On the plus, great ball winner, combative but could use the ball better.
7 not Niall Cashman, hasn't got the legs for the wing so maybe 6. So I'm going to have to look again
8Liam Coughlan. Work horse, unsung hero of the AG. Drops deep and sweeps behind the half back line, outlet for the half back line, delivery is top notch., plus his footwork and ability to get out if 2/3V1 is special. He blocks and hooks all day and runs ball at half back lines and wins a lot of frees. Negative, his shooting needs to improve.
9.Butty McCarthy was the man for this position but I think that Eoin O Brien is in pole position, gave my view on him already.
10???? No one nailing this down for me at the moment
11???? No one nailing this down for me either not Kingston
12 Shane Kingston thrives on the looser role and shouldn't be placed at 11 and made the focal point of the attach. Picks up great loose ball on the wing and his pace down the wing will get him in great positions, thus guy is the real deal
13 Dan Gunning. On the right to allow him to cut in, not great off his right but lethal on his left. His touch is phenomenal, he can finish so well, can take punishment and keep going. Gave the Cork minor full back line a roasting last Sunday. His style is unorthodox which makes him very hard to manage. This lad is so brave and is not afraid to run at bigger men. IMO the next Joe Deane
14. O Halloran. Great touch, lightning pace and an eye for goal. Well able to mix it physically and can play it high or low. He is a lovely striker and his technique is tight to his body, elbows up, great shoulders and wrists. Plus a great free taker.
15. John Looney. Accurate, accurate, accurate. Lively touch and his foot work is incredible. But can be physically bossed and needs to get ruthless and start running the ball at goal aka Gunning.

In the mix
Tim O Mahony Newtown 11??? First name might be wrong
Ciarain Cormack look at how Rochestown use him. He was poor last Sunday. Eoin O Leary played him hurling wise and physically off the park. P
John O'Sullivan, should be on the extended panel
Eric O'Keeffe but needs a lot if work and must prove himself. Personally I think he could be the left half back. Has it all for that position

feel free to criticise and debate.

I would like to add that I have not seen Clonakilty CC or Colaiste Treasa Kanturk, so please excuse if I've overlooked anyone here.

Hurleratheart

seventh7 wrote: »

I think you were right schools fan. It looked very like the full strenght side. Whilst they were very mobile they hit a lot of wides and in all honesty I would worry about that. True if Gunning had been on the other side they would have reversed the result. Could not be relying on one player even Danny Gunning to win games. Considering the mon had a make shift back line with two fifteen years olds either side of Eddie Gunning then the return from the minor forwards was poor. The mon played without O' Callaghan centre back, O meara, Hanafin, Braham, and O' Donovan Half back and beat the Cork minors. Something wrong here, either the Mon have better players sitting on their benches or the Cork minors are shocking. TTM you know that all the kids I have named are part of the starting 15 for the AG and if they can be sidelined and a reserve side can outmuscle a Cork minor 15 then there may be problems ahead.

Lads, a challenge game at 9oc in Dec, some of those kids had 3 matches in 5 days, tired legs on heavy ground.

AG had a point to prove after wed, and came out second half with a mission i was told, the minors had made a few changes and gunning got in behiind the defence - fair play to them they needed the win, but wouldt be reading too much into it. the hurling and the sod will be different by championship comes around

TTM you are some man for the stats, the the way you trotted out those numbers. thanks for that interesting reading. you forgot a few of your favorites, looney and o mahogany, and what about ronan lynch, although hes seems to have a more defensive roll this year
i dont agree about daniel meaney, with the injury he had and seven month lay off, he wouldnt have a snowballs chance at all at all against ronan lynch no matter how much experience he has, id be throwing him in corner forward for 15mins tis as much as you could ask of him if he even get to that - anyway Rochestown have to get over Nenagh first, one match at a time sweet jesus

na piarsaigh in limerick were beaten by ahane minor championship at the weekend, Tom Morrissey got 10 of ahanes 11 points - a load of piarssaighs players with ASr and there good, but no way as good as last year. its hard to know how good thurles are too as they both came out of same group. the cork teams will be giving them a serious run for there money

TTM you praised Rochestown all right in some of your posts fair dues but if you honest, i mean really honest you havent rated them or there players as much as you did the other cork teams but thats your view thats grand. The school gave the Rochestown lads the day off on Friday after the historic win. well done to them again

Theres a lot to look forward to for 2015. Happy Christmas to ye all.

Smith614

Dara Fitzgibbon from Charleville should be a starter for Cork minors 2015. Class act with very few weaknesses. Himself and O Mahony carried Charleville CBS this yr ( even tho they had poor campaign these 2 looked the part).

seventh7

Fair point on but I don't buy the top of the ground and the dry sod and mularkey. Gunning, Aherne, and sheehan didn't get in behind the defence they ran through it, they too have had a huge amount of games in the last fortnight. December or August there is no way a Cork minor side should be turned over by School side especially a side without 5 of its starting 15.

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Lads, a challenge game at 9oc in Dec, some of those kids had 3 matches in 5 days, tired legs on heavy ground.

AG had a point to prove after wed, and came out second half with a mission i was told, the minors had made a few changes and gunning got in behiind the defence - fair play to them they needed the win, but wouldt be reading too much into it. the hurling and the sod will be different by championship comes around

TTM you are some man for the stats, the the way you trotted out those numbers. thanks for that interesting reading. you forgot a few of your favorites, looney and o mahogany, and what about ronan lynch, although hes seems to have a more defensive roll this year
i dont agree about daniel meaney, with the injury he had and seven month lay off, he wouldnt have a snowballs chance at all at all against ronan lynch no matter how much experience he has, id be throwing him in corner forward for 15mins tis as much as you could ask of him if he even get to that - anyway Rochestown have to get over Nenagh first, one match at a time sweet jesus

na piarsaigh in limerick were beaten by ahane minor championship at the weekend, Tom Morrissey got 10 of ahanes 11 points - a load of piarssaighs players with ASr and there good, but no way as good as last year. its hard to know how good thurles are too as they both came out of same group. the cork teams will be giving them a serious run for there money

TTM you praised Rochestown all right in some of your posts fair dues but if you honest, i mean really honest you havent rated them or there players as much as you did the other cork teams but thats your view thats grand. The school gave the Rochestown lads the day off on Friday after the historic win. well done to them again

Theres a lot to look forward to for 2015. Happy Christmas to ye all.

Hurling heart in fairness your new here and I know you have a passion for the game fair enough, your hurling at heart and real type of well bread and butter type of hurling fan so to speak In I mean your interested on the hurling from the ground up and bread and butter of hurling in the game and I admire that hugely your passion


I thank you for the comment and amusing interesting in only two posts you seem to have a huge interest in soley my view here by not once now but twice singlely me out in your posts and non others in I seem to get direct mention from you in just youre two posts
Thanks for the interest but thread isn't about think too much, as some will try proclaim it to be.
I look forward to your other posts and hopefully be on cork gaa rather than my sole view
I didn't forget about ronan lynch you read posts again in I said lynch only played three games and was no where near Cormack so low scores didn't see point putting him In there


I'm only going to say this once and I'm sure others will see but please please don't and I ask you with all sincere and geuine hurling passion from your bread and butter sense if hurling at heart from the ground up the grass roots etc to please again don't making out I have anything against rochestown who I praised hugely in cork review year and also I praised hugely many posts before and I could reposts every single posts I done on rochestown here but for some strange reason I'll still get the feeling you will still stay im not praising your rochestown school
Rochestown I've only attended two games harty so limit what I saw and they had two cork teams in their group so I only saw them one non cork game so real real game to judge



I apologise you feel that way geuinely but I gave practically named under sixteen football hurling b team and also there under fifteen football team for praise which some rochestown didn't even name



As for favourite with o mahony and looney

I could of names the stats but I picked out the top
If your so interested in these im sure you can find stats on them yourself
It's clear that Cormack was top pile over them bit mainly from free bar he's last harty cup game he hasn't delivered from play like looney or o mahony and there been more consistent

I strongly decline I have favourites here.
I praise lads on field play and that merits some above others.
You being a real bread and butter type of fan in from ground up it seems in to hurling will appreciate às you obivously been huge admire my posts in knowing I praise Tim and looney at lot.

Reason simply is Tim has performed under twenty one, senior etc and done more than Cormack from play
If you want to debate why o mahony should not start please do and I'll debate that point.
At the end of the day I'm not affiliated to any school and I praised mticheetown, charville, rochestowm, hammies, ag mhuire hopefully you as hurling type of bread and butter,hurling at heart fan in I mean in hurling from ground level up will laud all these school praise and hopefully some day I'll get to read a post of yours on them and I be delighted if I'm honest as I can won't have to do post praising all these schools as I think it fair to say many here wouldn't done post on midelton rice cup team or mticheetown as yes understand they stick to their unknown but many know here not case with my self


I get the sense your a real Denis ring and I'd say your huge mark landers fan and would be delighted in the way they picked the team last year knowing these managers are real bread and butter type men in really work on as records prove hurling from that level up, so your right in cork will have huge chance to bear limerick



It won't be all na piarssigh lads starting though in I'd say Collins, Grimes, houlian, Casey main ones

Hurleratheart

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hurling heart in fairness your new here and I know you have a passion for the game fair enough, your hurling at heart and real type of well bread and butter type of hurling fan so to speak In I mean your interested on the hurling from the ground up and bread and butter of hurling in the game and I admire that hugely your passion


I thank you for the comment and amusing interesting in only two posts you seem to have a huge interest in soley my view here by not once now but twice singlely me out in your posts and non others in I seem to get direct mention from you in just youre two posts
Thanks for the interest but thread isn't about think too much, as some will try proclaim it to be.
I look forward to your other posts and hopefully be on cork gaa rather than my sole view
I didn't forget about ronan lynch you read posts again in I said lynch only played three games and was no where near Cormack so low scores didn't see point putting him In there


I'm only going to say this once and I'm sure others will see but please please don't and I ask you with all sincere and geuine hurling passion from your bread and butter sense if hurling at heart from the ground up the grass roots etc to please again don't making out I have anything against rochestown who I praised hugely in cork review year and also I praised hugely many posts before and I could reposts every single posts I done on rochestown here but for some strange reason I'll still get the feeling you will still stay im not praising your rochestown school
Rochestown I've only attended two games harty so limit what I saw and they had two cork teams in their group so I only saw them one non cork game so real real game to judge



I apologise you feel that way geuinely but I gave practically named under sixteen football hurling b team and also there under fifteen football team for praise which some rochestown didn't even name



As for favourite with o mahony and looney

I could of names the stats but I picked out the top
If your so interested in these im sure you can find stats on them yourself
It's clear that Cormack was top pile over them bit mainly from free bar he's last harty cup game he hasn't delivered from play like looney or o mahony and there been more consistent

I strongly decline I have favourites here.
I praise lads on field play and that merits some above others.
You being a real bread and butter type of fan in from ground up it seems in to hurling will appreciate às you obivously been huge admire my posts in knowing I praise Tim and looney at lot.

Reason simply is Tim has performed under twenty one, senior etc and done more than Cormack from play
If you want to debate why o mahony should not start please do and I'll debate that point.
At the end of the day I'm not affiliated to any school and I praised mticheetown, charville, rochestowm, hammies, ag mhuire hopefully you as hurling type of bread and butter,hurling at heart fan in I mean in hurling from ground level up will laud all these school praise and hopefully some day I'll get to read a post of yours on them and I be delighted if I'm honest as I can won't have to do post praising all these schools as I think it fair to say many here wouldn't done post on midelton rice cup team or mticheetown as yes understand they stick to their unknown but many know here not case with my self


I get the sense your a real Denis ring and I'd say your huge mark landers fan and would be delighted in the way they picked the team last year knowing these managers are real bread and butter type men in really work on as records prove hurling from that level up, so your right in cork will have huge chance to bear limerick



It won't be all na piarssigh lads starting though in I'd say Collins, Grimes, houlian, Casey main ones

Ah come off it will ya i asked you as your the main man with the details

your surely living up to your name now

thinkstoomuch entirely

thinkstoomuch1

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thinkstoomuch1: WHAT THIS IS:

Ard Scoil and Hamilton meet in the. 2014 Harty Cup Semi final in Mallow ,on the 1st of February at 3.30,the second time both teams have played each other in the Harty this year,the 1st time was in the Mallow venue in the Autumn and the North Ciruclar Road team were victourious on a score line of 4-20 to 3-14.

ARD SCOIL RIS HISTORY:

Ard Scoil ,are all boys secondary school in the heart of the Treaty county ,on the North Circular Road , in existence since 1963 and from around 50 students at the start ,it has now over 700,and have became a powerhouse in Rubgy and GAA,and it has had distinquished rubgy men like Paul O Connell who was a Munster Heinken Cup Winner,Lions Test Series Winner and Former Series Captain,Grand Slam Winner,and Captain of Ireland.
Current Munster and Ireland Rubgy Internationals David Kilycoyne ,and Leinster and Current Irish International Sean Cronin are also past pubils that graced there corridoors,but have excelled in there chosen sport.

Sam Lynch the Irish Rower and a World Champion with Ireland went to the school.

In GAA many former Clare and Limerick Intercounty stars went to the school such as Nicky O'Connell,Darach Honan(mother is a Cork woman),Cathal Mclirnery(joint captain when they won the Harty in 2010,and Kevin Downes,Declan Hannon,Adrian Breen ,(UCC,suprise ommisson from the senior intercounty set up)Seamus Dowling,and Niall Moran .

It is not just Sport the school is known for ,but Pat Cox, former President of the European Parliment ,was a former pupil,and renowend debater also went there.
If you want an entertainment link with the school ,look no further than,Dave Chambers and Bob Mcglynn ,of Rubberbandits fame ,as they are past pupils.They are trying to become the first Limerick school since CBS Sexton Street brought an All Ireland Title at senior schools back to Limerick in 1966 and it remains more a question of when,rather than if,that they accomplish that feat.The young Cork hurlers in 1966,were not the only boys that became men.That school are the only school,in Limerick that won a Croke cup,they won it in 1964 also.

Corks schools have won the Croke Cup14 times.In the Harty Cup just 3 Limerick schools have won it ,CBS Sexton Street ,have 10 Harty's ,and St .Munchins have just the 1.

Cork schools between ,St .Finbarrs Franfrerris (current Hamilton selector Noel Crowley won a Harty with them and would have learned under the expertise tulage of there Coach the Great Canon Michael O Brien,)North Mon,St Colmans,Midelton, Chriost Ri,and Cholaiste Iognaid RIS,they have over 40 titles and if Hammies were to win one,they would form a "Magnificent 7"in Cork schools that won the famous Harty Cup.

A bit like the spider that could not get up the wall.He may fall down repeatedly ,but he never stops trying,and eventually he finds a way.A bit like that spider,Ard Scoil won't give up ,and it is just a matter of time ,before the Dr.Croke Cup is resting at Ard Scoil.

And "Time" has been the storyline of Ard scoil,it has not been a case that many believe in that,the pick of talent between Limerick and Clare is put together,for instant success.Far from it.The foundations since 2002,have been laid and great work by the likes of Cormarc Bonnar of Tippereary,Liam Kennedy,Derek Larkin of Offaly, , Liam Cronin,Niall Crowe, Fergal Lyons ( a Cork man)and Pat Tobin , Victor Leydon,Tom Hennessy,Colm Honan (father of Clare player Darach), ,Jimmy Browne(expierence with Clare minors and u21 and LIT, Natal O’Grady and Joe Hannon (father of Declan) among may others at various times have all helped the school at various stages make good progress.

Niall Moran ,got involved in the mid 200O's and introduced modern training,recovery sessions,nutrition,p ost match video anayalis,tactial awareness and it benfited them greatly.

Of course they got money inputed in to them from the Limerick and Clare County boards, and the Limerick Supporters Club in Dublin and that is of mutal benefit ,there are players from both counties involved,so they will reap what Ard Scoil sow.

They also got help from the various GAA boards in Limerick and John Lyons of Supermacs down the years. They have been given the provison of use of facilties for use in many grounds,Meelick,LIT and Ul's superb North Campus complex,to name but a few,and combined with the huge support of parents ,they have and continue to build something special in Hurling.The money as it inevitably does made a difference,but it could not have helped,unless like the change in Dublin Hurling,it needed the "Will of the people involved"and it had that in abundance.

They are the only Munster school to compete in all A grades at u14,15 etc up along,and on any academic year they could have up to 14 teams in competition.

They learned the hard way,lost there 1st Dean Ryan Cup in 2005,won the Dean Ryan in 2008 and then decided to enter the Harty Cup in 2007, and won the 1st one in 2010.They lost a Thriller of a Dean Ryan Cup to Midelton this year by a point,in a match they could easily of won.Just like the Dean Ryan 2005 loss did not set them back,the 2013 loss is unlikey to do so also.
The next generation of Ard scoil Harty Cup teams are already taking shape on the production line.

Again there is a structure and organistion to everything they do ,and a clear path to Glory lined out.The school has a vision,and have the teaching and coaching staff to implement it,along with the talent to cultivate there dreams in to reality.They then won two succesive Harty cups in 2010 and 2011,two White Cups (u15)and won and u14 All Ireland in the last few years.

In essence,everyone from the teachers,to the coaches,to the county boards,the sponsor,the parents and most importanly the players themselves have turned Ard Scoil from a minnows competing in B Hurling in to a Powerful and Significance force"in terms of competing and winning regulary at the elite level of Senior Schools Hurling,the Harty Cup.And the school is a credit to both Limerick and Clare Hurling and all involved with them.

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I done preview of Ard scoil v hammies last year and this is part my post, a subtract of it.
It is like dublin hurling gets lost in translation that like dublin hurling it's just not throw the cash it at it, but it's huge huge work by volunteers and By grass roots people combined with money that make it work and yes jp gives money but it's not just jp , ard scoil gets other funding and like I said justify every bit of it in work they do.

Limerick support club in dublin is hugely important to limerick hurling and even in dublin last week members of the senior panel o mahony. O grady etc were in the capital to meet limerick dublin branch so huge support is got from there

I picked the Ard scoil examples because there main schools with huge funding but not even close to this forty thousands mentioned over exaggeration there now to be fair imo.

Jp huge influence in limerick but like I said in the post others help limerick in fiance.
Cork ccb have the money, ten million setting in bank account , for pairc apparently, they will though put pairc and centre mediocrity first and foremost.


Ard scoil last year played cork minors week before Hamilton game in Mallow mid week, ard scoil had bus lads and when got limerick meal paid for etc, some cork lads arrived in cars.

Cork under sixteen played limerick in limerick last spring challenge   cork lads arrived by cars no bus even organised.

Limerick lads has meal afterwards etc cork lads didn't have that.
Now minors etc some teams have been supported by board recently credit where due , but lot teams don't get the support needed


The paucity of eleven gdos imo is no where enough for cork and should be at least twenty.

Classic example noel crowley Was winner Franfrerris player harty cup coached carbery county twenty years ago in senior and done awesome work with hammies but he's gone to colmans now.
Now crowley coached aidan o donuughe hammies coach so he benfited but crowley could stayed developed hammies further if there were more top quality gdo in colmans could got one while hammies retained it's diamond

Mticheetown mad trying to get crowley do work with them but with colmans he's limited time wise imo.
All we hear is rebel og and public spin doctoring of the Lord mayor cup but rebel og is just partly funded by ccb and yet rebel og don't have any say in minors management selection.

It's just not money lacking last few years led cork decline we had awful awful underage managers appointed too imo which certainly didn't help.

School fan, you speak lot sense and I'll be honest very hard to disagree you what you say in lot of it has logic imo
I imo gave this perception I disagree with most views some here think,I imo clearly don't I just disagree if something totally incorrect with no fact back up spoken, all credit to your posts you don't speak nonsense but lot truth and while I may not agree with all you do back up your points with views worth considering.
You clearly know the hurling underage scene very well.
How do you rate sean Hayes would he deserve be called up cork senior panel or is it too early??


What you make under twenty one scene, in I'm confident, is it justified do you think??

Our teams are similar for the cork minors.
Id have cahill myself there but you want some one else fair enough.

We agree with the half back line, your right about pace wise with cashman but imo you could put as you say cashman to six and o leary to half back

Imo butty has to start superb harty cup on beaten side
I'd have donal English but it's roll of the dice between him and coughlan who I agree totally your view and I'm huge fan coughlan for some time



Forward line is hugely competitive and those don't make it are not bad players made most cork teams just to find that balance
I'd agree kingston is more if a twelve, he's automatic and o mahony can play centre forward.


I'd have Robbie Flynn over Cormac not he's bettee player but more so different type of player in he brings a different dynamic and balance to it.
Would if you could pick in rubgy a back row of riche macaw, David poccock and Michael hopper.
No you couldn't in there are all three pure open sides ground hog??
Who carry the ball and who breaks off the back of the scrums??


Same concept here, Kingston full craft of guile, elegance, wonderful movement, o mahony is same in can score and create but. Flynn who works like dog in bonner maher type of role, seamus Flanagan, to unselfishly create space for others not themselves.
Robbie Flynn has to be that man, he'll win ball in the air and he'll work for dirty ball Cormack won't do.
Flynn imo even though the logic is to thinnot he'll find hard start may not in fact, in. He imo is one of the few cork panel do that role required. Ring favours such role in the half forward line in luke meade picked their last year v limerick.



If kingston gets injured or like o mahony also then he's starter as imo up against two those for a place.

But Kingston Better scoring ratio from play than Cormack and o mahony also has better scoring play ratio and o mahony done it at senior under twenty one club huge scores he got.

Cormack is excellent but o mahony And kingston slight bit better and that's what comes down who gives you that added edge
If it was Other years Cormack imo be starting

we should remember now not just Cormack but wonderful josh beusang left out dean Ryan nine cup points man two year ago shows from play when the need I's greatest he'll score
Nine from play in munster final any level unreal


There will be tough calls imo and important when they doMake the calls fans yes critise if necessary but we don't add two and two get five hundred and saying ring or hartnett etc have anything against club etc, remember you can only start fifteen lads toughest minors team years pick


I wouldn't be too caught up minors loosing in gunning got three goals he'll be with cork than against them, after last week meant more to them ag mhuire than cork imo and full stating fifteen didn't line out on best positions in Chris o leary isn't a midfielder.

Cork minors be fine I'm not fearful At all

I saw limerick play nenagh yes lot seventeenth lads but there good but not great but nenagh has them beaten on possesion stakes just nenagh with out cahalan and Andy hayden had no forwards and they full back line conceded three poor goals

Rochestown will beat nenagh and handy in the nenagh full back line is weak so kingston has to start inside and there two scoring forwards cahalan and hayden marked by cashman and Griffin won't score much but yes they will win a fair amount of ball.
Limerick struggled to beat them, last year I saw seven challenge matches limerick v wexford, etc and they hammered every team there not strong this year and like said limerick thread post Wallace huge huge huge loss


Seventh killian aherne should be on cork panel now for next year but I wouldn't be starting him better available now
Hurling fan interesting point about bout ag mhuire but it's not just down to poor work rate it's down as three game to purely pure tactics there correctly critised.
I'm firmly believe these in before three games I said do and don't match ups yet match up that happened I didn't want no surprise ag mhuire lost
Work rate can't excuse the awful non marking of eddie gunning on doon brilliant Barry Murphy and v castleltriy they left lee in full forward which imo was a disaster.


Work rate imo I's meaning less if a lad is asked do job he simply can't or if there out numbered in certain aera by the opposition
I've huge worries regards ag mhuire side line
To say play off cuff simple hurling don't over complicate things is like jbm done v clare drawn all ireland final and look what happened, free style play with spirit cork were completely dominated by the clare system of sweeper.

To play tactics is not over complicate things if you know what your doing.
I saw a pre match anaylise report of harty cup game two years ago coach I know from top top school after harty ended, the level of depth and anaylis in it was unbelievable but they had a plan from every scenarios and you must have that now and tactics hugely important in that.


Ard scoil tried to play instinctive hurling free style v doon last year in the ist half of the harty cup final but doon suffocated that with a system only when Ard scoil went to a system they won and won handy.
Doon better that ag I don't think so, in they have better coaches like clare hurler bulger but they play to a system but once barry Murphy, quirke and Ryan are held there beatable.



They had stronger team with dean coleman last year but fell short

smith it looks like johnny Keane gone to Churchtown, manager didn't join kilbrin, Sean o gorman likely stay kilbrin.
Keane good manager.
Great choice by Churchtown and he's one their own, they had poorer choices before like ronan dwayne coached there a while back.

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Ah come off it will ya i asked you as your the main man with the details

your surely living up to your name now

thinkstoomuch entirely

I'm not or never want to be the main man on this thread as many great other posters here that deserve equal recognition to myself and I certainly don't want to be

I post a lot but I'm not the main man
This cork gaa thread, not any one in particular thread.
I've no problem with being asked a question I help anyone I can expecially grass root the bread and butter type of fans gaa needs

Just being singled like last post against rochestown in praise others more imo very unfair on me and my point is soley posting wise dont have soley focus on me in every post, by name.
I can't wait till minors next year even though mark landers huge loss, I'm sure you'll agree he was one main men last year, we have pat hartnett added and he'll be brilliant and he's proven cork coach from great cork hurling aera of midelton and east cork

Cork minors hurling has real hope next year

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

Dara Fitzgibbon from Charleville should be a starter for Cork minors 2015. Class act with very few weaknesses. Himself and O Mahony carried Charleville CBS this yr ( even tho they had poor campaign these 2 looked the part).

I'd agree totally should be on the panel at least but I don't think he is??is he
That's great point o mahony been excellent poor team sign great players

Where you play him centre or full forward?

thinkstoomuch1

seventh7 wrote: »

Fair point on but I don't buy the top of the ground and the dry sod and mularkey. Gunning, Aherne, and sheehan didn't get in behind the defence they ran through it, they too have had a huge amount of games in the last fortnight. December or August there is no way a Cork minor side should be turned over by School side especially a side without 5 of its starting 15.

I'd agree but wasn't full cork team in right position and I wouldn't be gone on it too much

Talks cork minors trying challenge match v Ard scoil in Mallow like Last year again week after Xmas if true
Be good test

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2212141019-setanta-sports-fixtures-for-2015-allianz-leagues/

Great news cork hurling fans

Ist three league games televised live so it means anyone can't go gets see them those do can record it and watch it again forensically anaylis it

seventh7

I wouldn't be too caught up minors loosing in gunning got three goals he'll be with cork than against them, after last week meant more to them ag mhuire than cork imo and full stating fifteen didn't line out on best positions in Chris o leary isn't a midfielder.

Cork minors be fine I'm not fearful At all

I saw limerick play nenagh yes lot seventeenth lads but there good but not great but nenagh has them beaten on possesion stakes just nenagh with out cahalan and Andy hayden had no forwards and they full back line conceded three poor goals

Rochestown will beat nenagh and handy in the nenagh full back line is weak so kingston has to start inside and there two scoring forwards cahalan and hayden marked by cashman and Griffin won't score much but yes they will win a fair amount of ball.
Limerick struggled to beat them, last year I saw seven challenge matches limerick v wexford, etc and they hammered every team there not strong this year and like said limerick thread post Wallace huge huge huge loss


Seventh killian aherne should be on cork panel now for next year but I wouldn't be starting him better available now
Hurling fan interesting point about bout ag mhuire but it's not just down to poor work rate it's down as three game to purely pure tactics there correctly critised.
I'm firmly believe these in before three games I said do and don't match ups yet match up that happened I didn't want no surprise ag mhuire lost
Work rate can't excuse the awful non marking of eddie gunning on doon brilliant Barry Murphy and v castleltriy they left lee in full forward which imo was a disaster.


Work rate imo I's meaning less if a lad is asked do job he simply can't or if there out numbered in certain aera by the opposition
I've huge worries regards ag mhuire side line
To say play off cuff simple hurling don't over complicate things is like jbm done v clare drawn all ireland final and look what happened, free style play with spirit cork were completely dominated by the clare system of sweeper.

To play tactics is not over complicate things if you know what your doing.
I saw a pre match anaylise report of harty cup game two years ago coach I know from top top school after harty ended, the level of depth and anaylis in it was unbelievable but they had a plan from every scenarios and you must have that now and tactics hugely important in that.


Gunning will definetly be with the minors, which is a good plus.
And it is a huge plus that we have O' Sullivan and Aherne, Siach, O' Leary waiting in the wings for next year. The future is bright have no doubt. The kids are there and no doubt we will use them. The challenge will be in filtering what we have through to senior level down the road.
I have to agree with you regarding the Ag coaches, I believe the critic has been constructive and as for work rate, you need the right players in the right positions to make the work rate count. Player selection is parmount, horses for courses and all that. Morale is also a huge factor and the AG may have found it at the right time. Little adjustments can be made to tweak this side and they will be far from an easy proposition for Thurles.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.thescore.ie/2015-football-league-fixtures-1677487-Sep2014/

Looking at this again games and way they fell I'm hugely fearful of cork in the league
Realistic possibly we could be facing kerry with three losses and kerry id say at best will have two wins so will come cork win in they have tough remaining games left and will want league status retained so they can taper trainimg and as it's fourth game in won't have cobwebs early league openers to shake off


Expect a different kerry in the league in the may have no choice to treat cork game bit more seriously attention last year than letting cork belive were great last year in kerry course cork were gullible to belive it and swallowed an anchor and naively fell for it imo

I can't bar mayo have any real confidence in any game cork will win.
Anyone think there's other games cork will realistically win.???

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.thescore.ie/2015-football-league-fixtures-1677487-Sep2014/

Looking at this again games and way they fell I'm hugely fearful of cork in the league
Realistic possibly we could be facing kerry with three losses and kerry id say at best will have two wins so will come cork win in they have tough remaining games left and will want league status retained so they can taper trainimg and as it's fourth game in won't have cobwebs early league openers to shake off


Expect a different kerry in the league in the may have no choice to treat cork game bit more seriously attention last year than letting cork belive were great last year in kerry course cork were gullible to belive it and swallowed an anchor and naively fell for it imo

I can't bar mayo have any real confidence in any game cork will win.
Anyone think there's other games cork will realistically win.???

TTM, I definitely think cork will win some games in the league but which ones? the away games to the north will be very very difficult.The dubs will look to lay down a marker vs cork, while as you say I can see Kerry taking the league game vs cork somewhat more serious then 2014s charade. Mayo under new management will be desperately seeking a national title for confidence but cork should at least be competitive at home.
Do you know who is doing the actual football coaching? I heard an awful rumour that cutbert was but I presumed Flanagan would do what he did with Kerry and actually coach also. I have to wonder how this dynamic is working??
The mass panic of management in calling in half of ballincolligs squad including the Kerry man durrant as well as cussen and kevin canty is an awful sign of a management team floundering in panic. Cuthberts terrible radio interview on redfm would give the indication of a man realising he is out of his depth but that wouldn't fit the character. I notice that the talk from last year of 'entertaining football', 'a bit of flair', 'getting the fans back' and all that bull**** has been dropped and now we are going to do our best which after 2014 was no where near good enough.
I think a realistic first 6 months is that cork will have been relegated from division 1 and receive another lesson from Kerry in Killarney. There is simply NO sign of positivitiy, lessons learned or any aspect of an acknowledgement of what is required for this level from the camp, I have huge respect for a lot of the players especially those who were part of the 2010 triumph, I hope but have heard nothing to indicate otherwise that they had the balls to have a conversation with the manager about 2015 and what was required from his end, it was well known during the summer that a lot of players were unhappy with what went on during 2014, I sincerely hope they have had these issues ironed out before we start in less then 2 weeks time.

CORKDOUBLE

I agree lads that interview and the one in the Southern Star this week would fill you with fear at whats going on ...the man just seems to be out of his depth for this level ....and information i have got says that Pat Flanagan is fully involved ....hopefull thats correct .........I would like wish everybody on this site the very best for Christmas and the new year ...god bless.

thinkstoomuch1

I agree Sean we share the same sentiments


As far as I'm aware flanganan will be doing the coaching but cuthbhert has indeed taken on a more how to we best put it leading role with group training wise, he had done bit nit much from what I saw last year in one training session, I wouldn't be impressed unless hugely improved.


He's imo would been best facilitator in surrounding him with good coaches and then working off that that but he no one else to fault never gave him self that chance like I said from day one picking the inexpierenced back room team


I agree it's hard to pick what teams we can beat

Dublin will be intent on starting new season on high and will beat us

Monaghan at home, wet dour Sunday, hostile home crowd where teams belief and game plan well be severely tested by a brilliantly organised coach malachi o rourke I have huge time for.

Donegal home in transition under Gallagher but unlikely cork team will fly donegal so long trip if spirit and moral low after ist two games could test them and I can't see this set up beating donegal system


Kerry if and I think there up for it be hard

Derry are average at best but real league team, I'm heavy going and slow ground hostile celtic park where dublin beaten last year won't fear cork after last year in cork cork haunted to win


Tyrone home tough ask


Mayo I'm confident in yes brilliant Donie Buckley with them and mayo management is good men own right management this lark of dual management imo simply won't work and too many chefs spoil the broth


Ten minutes to go in a game key decision be made who makes it. Do they toss a coin or say you decide this game mine next

This won't work
Mayo be gone off the boil also in key there game plan was intensity so drop even ten percent that they will be much weaker and then add to it lack forwards there imo in rapid downward decline from highs before and ed coughlan and Horan huge huge losses
I hope mayo stay competive but after three at the top imo of their game imo they will find it very hard to go fourth year with same energy level with new management way set up so cork should and will imo beat them


It's the other win and possibly a third secure div one status imo is going to be very hard to come by.



I totally agree picking half ballincollg team with greatest respect to them is panic mode as he fails to realise Club scene and intercounty scene is mile apart.
People say ah just pre panel don't worry changes in league etc and championship

Sorry I don't buy it, in what's the point in picking lads for this mcgrath cup if they have realistically no chance come championship and your only wasting your time and theirs and you be better off picking guys with potential and work on them.

Like what is going to be learned recalling lads from previous campaign that didn't make it, but imo sets out clear statement of direction in management concept of what they see as cork players and don't you know when kerry see some names cork recall, privately às publicly they shrewd enough not to say it but will be thinking ah nothing worry bout here.


Management clearly have no understanding of what players needed to make elite level imo so pick half county championship winning team and include former kerry player and winning coach kerry blood and he thinks it will magically fall in to place

Sorry now but it doesn't work like that

Durrant terrific club player but not senior intercounty imo when there looking for a Galvin type of player kerry didn't show any interest in him , cork have five lads much much better than him.
Even when cork senior hurling winning all irelands county champions newton had just three starters and na piarsigh had just two.

Any team wins all ireland will only have four or five at most from club county championship but what's important is the players they do have are lighting up the club scene and standing out in nit one but every game for club and taking their game to another level at senior intercounty something for example Cian Mccarthy didn't do from sarsfields as county champions before or you ll find with ballincollg durrant and jennings and o sullivan fot example imo.



Sean my opinion is cuthbhert will want and get a second term irrespective of results, what do you think??
If results are fine I'd give him a new term no problem at all but if not he's term must be seriously reviewed on on field results and performances.



I dont think players can do much tbh Sean imo in cuthbhert strikes me as he'll do it he's way, speaking him won't make a difference and board will back cuthbhert night and day so there's no point imo of having their views and demanding more etc imo they be told ye play we manage.
Sean what do make cork minor football and under twenty one chance please????
What did you make of the hurling chances next year at senior


Sean did you see the bold ruthless conviction so admirable and laudable in cork ladies football asking change of a manager fourteen years ago even though the manager was there great friend but look where that call took this wondering memorising truly great I mean great really really great football team to numerous munster titles and national league medals and all star awards and nine all irelands in ten years and now rte team of the year winning the hearts and minds of the nation of ireland our great great really really great sporting country.
It all started that faithful day the envelope of no confidence in the current management was handed in by the team captain young girl at just twenty three in Macroom with no reputation as success players in great light to demand such change but she did fair play and backed by her wonderful sister's in arms of the entire panel and they wanted better and demanded better and look where they are today there are a credit to their clubs, County, womens gaelic football what they achieved on and off the field in gaelic games.

The key difference was also the current ladies manager immense credit didn't fight the players but steeped down and county board didn't oppose it either but found new management team.
They listened to the grievance of their players and didn't take it personally but realised there ones playing the game it they don't belive in a set up then we owed cork ladies football to change things for its better future and there's no one voice controls it in we must embrace and accept change.

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I agree lads that interview and the one in the Southern Star this week would fill you with fear at whats going on ...the man just seems to be out of his depth for this level ....and information i have got says that Pat Flanagan is fully involved ....hopefull thats correct .........I would like wish everybody on this site the very best for Christmas and the new year ...god bless.

Many happy returns double have great one

Do you have link please to the southern star interview

sean mac

TTM, in answer to some of your questions, and imo only of course:

Cuthbert WILL get a second term as long as the defeat to Kerry in Killarney is 'respectable' - while frank lauded our league football in this years annual report (what a ****ing joke) next year our relegation (and I just don't see us winning 3 games in this division) will be ignored. So bottom line he will stay on for at least one more year. There will be no questioning from any of the homegrown journalists on this matter. A big test for me on what type OF man Cuthbert is - does the team fly to tyrone/Donegal/derry via Belfast/derry airports? Will there be a proper training camp this year, instead of a 2 and half day bull**** in UL?
I have an awful suspiscion that despite flanagans inclusion with accompanying costs involved there is a real creeping in of penny pinching with the set up. For example it is incredible they don't have a sports psychologist available, Cuthbert despite his qualification CANNOT act as one, a manager cant do this.
As for the players, Ii have to believe having heard all the rumours and unhappiness during the summer that the set up and back up is now top class just as it was in conors day, otherwise they are fooling themselves and us cork supporters - the fools who will go to Killarney and scotstown etc
Like yourself players should only be selected if they genuinely offer a chance of starting in championship - and by that the question should be ' can I trust this man to do a job for me vs Kerry in the white hot pressure of Killarney in july?'
As for the u21, again I give them a huge chance for 2 reasons. Firstly I rate sean hayes as being an astute intelligent manager with a good coach in gene alongside him, secondly I don't rate dara o se as being that manager, and surpisingly for Kerry I think they made a mistake in having him as their u21 manager without any experience- for me u21 is absolutely VITAL in preparing a fella for senior football.
As for minor,I had a club man on the panel this year and while he rated the training, he found some of the selection/tactics confusing, and the year was a failure. There is talent there, not sure if there is a management team to utilise it. The same man is involved with the u21s and impressed.
I expect a good run with the junior set up this year btw, and if Cuthbert was anyway clued in he would liaise strongly with McCarthy in order to have a look at some of these players.
As for senior hurling, for me the greatest problem for JBM the legend and a man who I am not fit to tie his laces is the fact that here we are in year 4 and the full back position is as big a problem as it has been since the rock left. This is crucial to sort out, maybe cahalane is the answer, one thing for sure shane oneil is NOT, his confidence is gone this man needs to be rejuvenated for me. I understand it is good to bring in young fellas, but realistically none of these minors will start in june, so who are the new players available for cork (and imo we need at least 3).......Cormac murphy as a wing back is definitely needed, perhaps pa o callghan if available after that Im not sure. JBM has been very shrewd in having 2 very good coaches ger blue and Kingston, but is landers of this level - the same level of ger blue or kinnerk or tommy dunne? that is what he needs to be at for cork to do well next year. If landers turns out to be at that level and cork get a few players like murphy, paidi firing on from last year then we are back in semi final territory

Rebel norrie

Happy Christmas to all. Here's to a successful season on the playing pitch in both club and Intercounty.

thinkstoomuch1

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Happy Christmas to all. Here's to a successful season on the playing pitch in both club and Intercounty.

Many Happy returns have a great 2015

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'm not or never want to be the main man on this thread as many great other posters here that deserve equal recognition to myself and I certainly don't want to be

I post a lot but I'm not the main man
This cork gaa thread, not any one in particular thread.
I've no problem with being asked a question I help anyone I can expecially grass root the bread and butter type of fans gaa needs

Just being singled like last post against rochestown in praise others more imo very unfair on me and my point is soley posting wise dont have soley focus on me in every post, by name.
I can't wait till minors next year even though mark landers huge loss, I'm sure you'll agree he was one main men last year, we have pat hartnett added and he'll be brilliant and he's proven cork coach from great cork hurling aera of midelton and east cork

Cork minors hurling has real hope next year

Great banter lads IMO this years cork minors have great potential just the question of getting the balance right goalkeeper full back and half back line nearly fixed plenty of good options has to be griffin or Cahill full back do not think Cahill can play anywhere else will get caught out in the corner, O'leary centre back has to be coached to hold position midfield English and another IMO mccarthy needs to up his game as there is more in him, half forward line I agree Kingston on a wing with o'mahony and one other. Full forward line has to be on form at the moment looney, o'halloran and gunning but selectors have a real depth of talent to choice from there may be lads who come later in the spring, watch this space I think hartnett will be a great asset.

lukin

sean mac wrote: »

TTM, in answer to some of your questions, and imo only of course:

Cuthbert WILL get a second term as long as the defeat to Kerry in Killarney is 'respectable' - while frank lauded our league football in this years annual report (what a ****ing joke) next year our relegation (and I just don't see us winning 3 games in this division) will be ignored. So bottom line he will stay on for at least one more year. There will be no questioning from any of the homegrown journalists on this matter. A big test for me on what type OF man Cuthbert is - does the team fly to tyrone/Donegal/derry via Belfast/derry airports? Will there be a proper training camp this year, instead of a 2 and half day bull**** in UL?
I have an awful suspiscion that despite flanagans inclusion with accompanying costs involved there is a real creeping in of penny pinching with the set up. For example it is incredible they don't have a sports psychologist available, Cuthbert despite his qualification CANNOT act as one, a manager cant do this.
As for the players, Ii have to believe having heard all the rumours and unhappiness during the summer that the set up and back up is now top class just as it was in conors day, otherwise they are fooling themselves and us cork supporters - the fools who will go to Killarney and scotstown etc
Like yourself players should only be selected if they genuinely offer a chance of starting in championship - and by that the question should be ' can I trust this man to do a job for me vs Kerry in the white hot pressure of Killarney in july?'

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even get to play Kerry in Munster next year. It's quite possible that Limerick could beat us (if they beat Clare).
We needed Walsh to dig us out of a hole against Tipp this year and he isn't going to be available to Cuthbert in 2015.
Regardless I won't be going to Killarney next year as I don't want to sit there and witness a hammering. Cuthbert has made a number of mistakes in his first year that Counihan would never have made despite all his faults. He publicly criticised the players, publicly criticised the opposition and came out with a number of daft statements (e.g. "the Sligo game is our All-Ireland final"). Hopefully he will learn from them but I am not sure he will. Seems to be out of his depth as he only coached at minor level at inter-county and never played senior himself (the only Cork manager never to have done so I think). So what did people expect?

thinkstoomuch1

lukin wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even get to play Kerry in Munster next year. It's quite possible that Limerick could beat us (if they beat Clare).
We needed Walsh to dig us out of a hole against Tipp this year and he isn't going to be available to Cuthbert in 2015.
Regardless I won't be going to Killarney next year as I don't want to sit there and witness a hammering. Cuthbert has made a number of mistakes in his first year that Counihan would never have made despite all his faults. He publicly criticised the players, publicly criticised the opposition and came out with a number of daft statements (e.g. "the Sligo game is our All-Ireland final"). Hopefully he will learn from them but I am not sure he will. Seems to be out of his depth as he only coached at minor level at inter-county and never played senior himself (the only Cork manager never to have done so I think). So what did people expect?

I'd agree that but limerick greatest respect them poor enough
Brudair trying hard good coach but years neglect underage is cost them

I fancy clare rattle us though under ephie Fitzgerald