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It makes sense

Smith614 wrote: »

Just because Mahony played senior does not make him a better player than Kngston. Mahony was on a poor Newtownshandrum team . Looney was average on a poor Aghada team. You do seem a bit obsessed with a few young players n the county. I don't think any senior team worth their salt would have to play u.17 players.
If playing for ur club at a young age is a way of judging talent then that's ur prerogative but most clubs of a high standard would not have to consider 17 yr olds.

Interesting one have seen Kingston play looks a fine player for his age have seen looney play for Midleton CBS this year probably they best forward far exceeded Dunne, landers and Leahy. As far as playing for your club at 17/18 if you are good enough depends on the size of your club, look at Midleton senior this year ended up bringing on Smyth at corner forward in championship, IMO he is corner back all day so why Midleton bring him on with the size of their panel I do not know. Intermediate or junior clubs may have no choice but to blood youngsters as Panels are so small, Walsh at bride done very well at wing back this season, castlemartyr had no choice but to start a few youngsters due to size of panel.

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Players are there and coaching staff just got to pick right coaches

It's baffling that mcdonnell is consistently played as a half forward when he's best games been at centre back
That to me shows how poor management are.

Was baffling for most of the season got the sense they never watched the lads playing for their clubs or inter county, last cork u17 match in mallow where cork teams played each other Broderick and Denny played midfield together and worked very hard did well never once played together for school, McDonnell better back as you say, McCarthy IMO would have been better corner forward but they seemed obsessed with playing him midfield/centre forward. I think they the management will go

thinkstoomuch1

It makes sense wrote: »

Interesting one have seen Kingston play looks a fine player for his age have seen looney play for Midleton CBS this year probably they best forward far exceeded Dunne, landers and Leahy. As far as playing for your club at 17/18 if you are good enough depends on the size of your club, look at Midleton senior this year ended up bringing on Smyth at corner forward in championship, IMO he is corner back all day so why Midleton bring him on with the size of their panel I do not know. Intermediate or junior clubs may have no choice but to blood youngsters as Panels are so small, Walsh at bride done very well at wing back this season, castlemartyr had no choice but to start a few youngsters due to size of panel.

I'd agree that was strange call by midelton

Cloyne done something similar with Ian cahill as half forward from full be fair cloyne not many forwards where killian cronin dropped to full

thinkstoomuch1

It makes sense wrote: »

Was baffling for most of the season got the sense they never watched the lads playing for their clubs or inter county, last cork u17 match in mallow where cork teams played each other Broderick and Denny played midfield together and worked very hard did well never once played together for school, McDonnell better back as you say, McCarthy IMO would have been better corner forward but they seemed obsessed with playing him midfield/centre forward. I think they the management will go

Your right they played brilliantly I think dean linehan gave masterful display defending that day also

Who will midelton appoint you think

Is connery staying with castle matyr
Who do you think Wallis will get part back room staff

thinkstoomuch1

If midelton wanted to really improve set up next year at school level a golden opportunity presented itself in Wallis now available and for school teams could do that and senior club no bother at all together



Ideally Collins or kearney need to stay with dean or Ryan cup team so leave one there and have something like Wallis kearney with maccarthy fitness coach
Or else have kearney and Collins and Mccarthy at harty cup but Wallis with dean Ryan team next year
It's important that the harty cup do well but glorious opportunity awaits midelton do three in dean row dean Ryan cups only done once before by colmans I think so three in row chances don't come around often so it's imo imperative dean Ryan cup team not neglected next year



Wallis has proven record young hurlers and midelton should get him involved
It doesn't really matter at what level but should be with school I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in he's quality coach
If ring doesn't do new term end this year and like all terms must be reviewed on success, if cork dont get all ireland quatre final imo then it's failure this year and looking manager Wallis has stand out for the role


If ring is successful this year imo he will be then should be offered New term
Whether he takes it hard to know if he was offered it
A golden opportunity has presented itself for cork minors, Wallis tremendous loss to the limerick set up, In not just he's preparing of limerick but he's attention detail in knowing opponents and strength and weakness cork as knows cork hurling inside out is phenomenonal
Limerick will miss that edge next year

Huge ask for limerick with only four months to opening game to bring in new coach
The guy they may bring in may be good say but it's just Wallis was just excellent hard to fill in short time coach he's calibre imo
Like you have player very good in sturrige then you have saruez
Sturrige very good but Suarez was phenomenonal.

Wallis keen student in despite all he's expierence he was at kilkenny county final in past in he's real hurling man and always learns and keeps learning

To have him working with guys like looney and smith next year, mcdonnell etc he would improve them no end
Cork cry out for full back and some one like Wallis would really bring out potential in some one like Sean o leary Hayes a terrific full back with real real potential.

Paddy loughin was just sixteen this year but Wallis had developed him and gave him huge confidence he had this guy just panel members starting full back by time the year was out
If he worked with Sean o leary Hayes he'd really develop this guy's potential

Orizio

It makes sense wrote: »

Spot on with Midleton and the general malaise of the players, was at match and again decisions of Midleton management baffling landers no way fit why he started who knows, Dunne and McCarthy both looked like they did not what to be there no effort should have been pulled at half time, McCarthy definitely should have been subbed after first yellow as second yellow was on its way lads who were trying Cashman, Denny and O'sullivan all subbed, I got the impression that keep the names on take off the easy lads maybe that has been one of the problems with the team, no gelling no collective spirit rochestown completely the opposite played with hunger, desire hooked blocked and played a easy system two up top and hunt in packs to get the ball back and play early ball into Powter who gave Smyth a great battle.

I hope the midleton school looks at the current management structure because the players are there.

Its pretty clear the current management at Midleton CBS is responsible for the disastrous year. Its no surprise that at Dean Ryan the management was completely different.

And unfortunately the same management of this year will be in charge again next year.

Orizio

As an aside, Midleton don't need to bring in anyone from outside. They have more than enough excellent coaches in the school, its an insult to those coaches when you bring in outside people.

http://www.midletoncbs.ie/index.cfm/page/staffandsupportgroups

thinkstoomuch1

Orizio wrote: »

As an aside, Midleton don't need to bring in anyone from outside. They have more than enough excellent coaches in the school, its an insult to those coaches when you bring in outside people.

http://www.midletoncbs.ie/index.cfm/page/staffandsupportgroups

I would totally agree but Wallis is not outside man in played with midelton, son tommy plays senior team, know lot people school parents etc

Hes from town all he's doing I's simply adding expertise

Difficult midelton have is they pick good harty cup management dean they need one

Its ideal if Wallis was there with few up coming coaching. To coach them

Lot midelton people I think would welcome that
Any school Coul use some one like Wallis

SchoolsFan

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Super post absolutely brilliant

What do you make john sullivan
Would you have him on cork scene now

I hope I'm right when I say his name is Eoin O Sullivan from Douglas, midfield NO 8. Yeah I think he should be involved with the minor panel even if he is only involved as an extended member of the panel. Imagine how he will probe with a solid years work behind him with Ring/Landers and proper S&C training.

Couple of observations for a tall man he needs to dominate more in the air, actually quite a poor jumping technique and tends to get under the sliotar as opposed to meeting it. Maybe this comes from his football back ground. His striking off his left side tend to tail to the left. He strikes off balance even when he has time and this puts a right to left flight in the ball again nothing that can't be corrected

Excellent reader of the game and constantly working and gets into great defensive positions. When he starts to run directly he is a real threat. Ironically the way Rochestown swarm midfield limits his attacking ability as the space isn't there to run into. Anyone who saw the first ten minutes that last day would wave witnessed how good he is at that.

Cork minor next year, IMO yes. Huge potential but needs to iron out flaws that are not being picked up on in Douglas or Rochestown. Or maybe they are and are proving hard to rectify.

Figsy32

You're talking about the different midfielders lads! Eoin O'Brien is the tall lad from Douglas while John O'Sullivan is the smaller but strong lad from Blackrock!

Smith614

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I never said he was better never once

I said he's equal
And your right on poor newton team but performance was good great sign players

When brought on v Darren mannix nest club full back in cork done well considering mannix huge expierence

What do you make ed daly to Newtown

Strength and conditioning etc seems to b his strength. I think he is related closely to one of the main officers in Newtown. It's not for his hurling ability but it seems they won't be getting a hurling coach to assist him. Newtown are just average now and expectations would not be massive. Daly will bring great organisation but may need more than that.

Smith614

Ronan Dwane coached Churchtown for few yrs and to be blunt they were shocking. He is def. overrated.

SchoolsFan

Figsy32 wrote: »

You're talking about the different midfielders lads! Eoin O'Brien is the tall lad from Douglas while John O'Sullivan is the smaller but strong lad from Blackrock!

Thanks for clarifying. Eoin O Brien is the guy I'm on about in my post above.

SchoolsFan

Figsy32 wrote: »

You're talking about the different midfielders lads! Eoin O'Brien is the tall lad from Douglas while John O'Sullivan is the smaller but strong lad from Blackrock!

On John O'Sullivan he is a lovely balanced hurler, he is very economical with his ball use and gets his forwards in great positions with his deliveries. In relation to his defense he doesn't get deep enough at times, but I think this is a tactical approach from Rochwstown, he drifts into great positions as an outlet for ball from half back line.

I think the cork minors should look at him but I don't think they will pick pick him.

.E_C_K_S.

Draws for the club championships coming out now on Twitter. Will link later when put up on Cork GAA website.

Edit: Here we go http://www.gaacork.ie/news/347406/County_Senior_Intermediate_Championship_Draws_2015

The draws for the 2015 County Senior, Premier Intermediate and Intermediate Hurling and Football Championships were made at County Convention this (Sunday) afternoon.

Senior Hurling Championship
Round 1
A: Douglas v St. Finbarr's
B: Ballhea v Blackrock
C: Na Piarsaigh v Youghal
Midleton v Killeagh
E: Glen Rovers v Ballymartle
F: Carrigtwohill v Erin's Own
G: Sarsfields v Newtownshandrum
H: Bride Rovers v Bishopstown

Round 2
A v B
C v D
E v F
G v H

Senior Hurling (Divisions/Colleges)
Round 1
A: Duhallow v Carbery
B: Muskerry v Carrigdhoun
C: UCC v CIT
Imokilly v Avondhu

Round 2
A v B
C v D

Senior Football
Round 1
A: Carbery Rangers v Valley Rovers
B: Clyda Rovers v Castlehaven
C: Bishopstown v O'Donovan Rossa
Newcestown v Clonakilty
E: Nemo Rangers v Ilen Rovers
F: St. Nick's v Douglas
G: Ballincollig v St. Finbarr's
H: Dohenys v Aghada

Round 2
A v B
C v D
E v F
G v H

Senior Football (Divisions/Colleges)
Round 1
A: Duhallow v Avondhu
B: CIT v Muskerry
C: UCC v Carbery
Beara v Seandún

Round 2
A v B
C v D

Premier Intermediate Hurling
Round 1
A: Cloyne v Watergrasshill
B: Mallow v Inniscarra
C: Castlelyons v Kanturk
Carrigaline v Ballinhassig
E: Fermoy v Valley Rovers
F: Blarney v Kilworth
G: Courcey Rovers v Bandon
H: Tracton v Newcestown

Round 2
C v G
H v F
D v E
B v A

Premier Intermediate Football
Round 1
A: Béal Átha'n Ghaorthaidh v Macroom
B: Ballinora v Mallow
C: Castletownbere v Carrigaline
Naomh Abán v Grenagh
E: Bantry Blues v Éire Og
F: Newmarket v Kiskeam
G: St. Vincent's v Na Piarsaigh
H: Nemo Rangers v St. Michael's

Round 2
H v A
G v E
D v F
C v B

Intermediate Hurling
Round 1
A: Barryroe v Aghada
B: Ballygarvan v Éire Óg
C: Milford v Fr. O'Neill's
Dripsey v Meelin
E: Argideen Rangers v Charleville
F: Kildorrery v Castlemartyr
G: Ballincollig v Kilbrittain
H: Grenagh v Aghabullogue

Round 2
F v H
B v E
G v A
D v C

Intermediate Football
Round 1
A: Glanworth v Adrigole
B: Mayfield v Glanmire
C: Kildorrery v Kinsale
Ballydesmond v Kanturk
E: Aghabullogue v Mitchelstown
F: Millstreet v Glenville
G: Rockchapel v Youghal
H: Cill na Martra v Fermoy

Round 2
C v H
A v E
D v F
G v B

marno21

Almost over now but live on C103 too

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Your right they played brilliantly I think dean linehan gave masterful display defending that day also

Who will midelton appoint you think

Is connery staying with castle matyr
Who do you think Wallis will get part back room staff

Yes dean teak tough corner back all day, Midleton maybe go with the management team who won the dean Ryan this year they seem to get the best out of what they have, no way ronan D should be involved I think he will go Niall mac might stay I think his training was okay.

I would hope Connery stays he did very well with what he had been interesting to see whether the great servant jimmy Smiddy gives it one more year, not sure or heard who Wallis will get involved yet

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Your right they played brilliantly I think dean linehan gave masterful display defending that day also

Who will midelton appoint you think

Is connery staying with castle matyr
Who do you think Wallis will get part back room staff

Yes dean teak tough corner back all day, Midleton maybe go with the management team who won the dean Ryan this year they seem to get the best out of what they have, no way ronan D should be involved I think he will go Niall mac might stay I think his training was okay.

I would hope Connery stays he did very well with what he had been interesting to see whether the great servant jimmy Smiddy gives it one more year, not sure or heard who Wallis will get involved yet

CORKDOUBLE

Gerry Wallace has admitted that he was sacked by Limerick .....he stepped down himself from there minors to manage Midleton ...but wanted to stay with there academy ...Limerick officals would not except this so they let him go 100%...

thinkstoomuch1

The draws very interesting In all codes

Midelton will be delighted in Wallis should have easy game ist time v Killeagh
Just look at coaching side imo there's miles of difference in both teams. Denis walsh no success anywhere really in coaching up against hugely successful Wallis with limerick, and cork senior, and in kerry club and this game if was going be won by killeagh only chance is tactical wise in yes kinery, maybee landers, Walsh, etc have few good players but midelton have array talent and be too string them
Wallis will pick players In their best position and I expect full back to be sorted and likes lehane be played at half forward

I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie nagle be tried full and killian Burke move centre back or Patrick o mahony if he's back who's fine hurler moved out field but imo not full back

Wallis will win tactical battle if Walsh is in charge of Killeagh.
Denis was fine player in both codes. But he's judged soley as a manager now as playing days are over and on record in managing hasn't set coaching world alight imo

Be interesting see Wallis back room team but guaranteed who's on it be top notch

They got nice draw imo and possibly youghal or na piarssigh next won't fear

Nightmare draw for ballyhea imo in blackrock will under Murphy actually play as team not individuals and they will just have too much power pace,and game plan and likes o callaghan, keoffes, niall cashman, joe loughe, Stephen Murphy they will beat ballyhea
I'd worry hugely ballyhea not confirmed yet so remains to be seen who is manager but if it's one possibility they won't have any tactical battle ready and in truth could be really in for long hour in the game
Even with good manager to beat blackrock with eddie Murphy tall order but if they have a poor manager I really fear they could be well beaten and they need to be competitive.




Pa callaghan be awesome but if he's poorly coached he could struggle as quilty really deserves immense credit getting best out him last year


Blackrock could have tough game v douglas or barrs and john cremin done well ist year and I expect I'f they find forward to add to eoghhan finn and colm Keane two good forward be solid team


Can't understand niall Cahalane joining as selector though hurling.
Football yes but hurling????



Douglas have serious potential and they have potential and then rockiees if meet be great game
Two clubs I like and like see do well

Sarsfields are short favourite for county imo can't see logic, I'n midelton or douglas or rockiees beat them and possibly glen
Sarsfields are. Imo an old team, no scoring forwards bar one maybee and newton I agree smith, in ed daly brilliant strength conditions coach and organiser but I'm not sure coaching sense alone but if they had coach to compliment he's skill could beat them

They have talent and if they play fast open game could beat sarsfields

Glen have tough opener v Ballymartle and close game to call and winners could meet eirns own who are trying to build team,take time imo but few lads from successful junior team are on the way Up and bowens is good coach but if glen overcome ist round games they will be there or abouts as young team, Shane miller be back and of course if horgan actually delivered consistent season as club player from play and Delivered on undoubted outstanding talent could indeed be contenders real contenders for the county.

Football is good draws and clyda have tough opener in ned English terrific coach but he's coming up against brilliant James Mccarthy young innovative and with cork development squads back in as manager haven

Haven be like midelton hurling reneregisedd after year off and yes clyda be tough, solid, resolute have game plan ultimately I can see just one winner in close game in haven with hurley brothers and mark Collins have better forwards

In games like this clyda have difficulty as once they face team top coach they will struggle in means English great influence negated and then comes down better players and not system like kerry beat donegal. In system gives you platform for individuals brilliant players to perform so haven imo will win once they negated clyda system like kerry done to donegal and with James Mccarthy they have man like kerry had fitzmaurice to do that.

They beat English system with duhellow county final few years ago, in duhellow even had one great forward Donnach o connor so they can win war arrition and dog fights and with renewed hunger and fresh Ness will win
Clyda imo won't be releageted in they won't face too many teams with haven forward quality or powerhouses at midfield in dinneen and good manager in Mccarthy so they will stay up

Lot respect between two clubs in both came on similar journeys, both have real club values, honesty, work ethic, pride jeresy beating big clubs and English would been cleary coach in cork job
Should be good game.

I said before clyda would be like haven and win county if they had a top top forward in colm o Neill hurley,mac eoin etc

As for winner play likely carbery ranger's and imo repeat last year haven will win this time

Nemo got nice draw and repeat last year ballincollg play barrs, in imo barrs had poor coach in slocum who was a great great player for cork but gave the village a close game imo much much better coaches team with Tony leahy, cit and cork under twenty one fame in charge Could very well win that game.


Hard for ballincollg to maintain hunger last year but young talent is there and must drive on for more and in Kelly, kiely brothers, o donuughe and jennings and durrant who's fine at club level be hard to beat but imo think barrs will win this one

Intermediate hurling kanturk have tough game v castlelyons with crowley meant be coach and tough tough game
Castlelyons with Spillane brothers. Colm Barry and imo niall o leary young yes but would not be surprised if he starts. So tough well able for it Browne kanturk minor last year started kanturk, so that's a close game imo.




Fermoy be happy with their draw imo, in the other intermediate grade I think charville win it this year and should beat arigeen ranger's and then possibly eire og.

Tough draw for champions castlemstyr in kildorrey be tough with mick Walsh and Peter o brien who won't have cork intermediate distraction and unlikely avondu will have long run so it's tough opener for east cork side

One key battle is obviously you put mick Walsh on Lawton, limit him huge chance to win and Peter o brien huge threat and beat best defenders in Galway. Tipp. Clare some under twenty one etc in last year cork all irelands triumph so it's going to be interesting to see imo who castle put to mark him
It will be close game though and if connery stays they have good coach.
If castle played a sweeper imo they would be better served and could do well In stop o brien kildorrey don't have any other real forward in he's class imo

The east cork side I imagine be happy in to extent in yes tough game but they avoided local derby.


Winners imo have tough game against likely Grenagh
In football mallow be usual favourite but imo won't come close, I said this last year at start in may. Couldn't believe mallow they were favourites
Win one or two games but imo crunch games won't win and apparently unsure if dorgan is manager again

If mallow had mick Donovan manager imo he'd be ideal imo but remain be seen if he is going to be the manager

Some interesting draws across board hard predict with certainly in cork scene being not knockout means ist round games can be lottery at times and we got wait til all management are finalised to imo know contenders and ones likely to struggle but so far in senior football imo I think it be nemo, haven, barrs a dark horse for good run and ballincollg if hunger is there

In hurling midelton, rockiees, and douglas be there or abouts , I can't see sarsfields being there and I hope their not In imo cork hurling needs new voice in club hurling one that can really push in munster club imo I don't mind who wins cork county in I'll be going for team I think has best opportunity to win club in munster cause cork hurling need one badly , in that case it will be based hughely on management and playing talent available.
When I see two finalists I'll decide then

At a glance midelton. Blackrock offer cork imo best club munster hope in the next two years




Glen imo won't be far away in county In cork

I'n intermediate football, premier eire og or maybee naomh abhan may do it.
Macroom have talent but lack spirit as a team imo
I'm not sure who coaches them next year but they have talent but flatter to device imo


In intermediate football rockchapel or mticheetown I think will be there or bouts

In hurling

Intermediate I think charville and I hope they win it,fine young team brilliant coach peter finn and unlucky met very good fermoy but nothing between two teams

In premier hurling I think fermoy cloyne and castlelyons and kanturk despite meeting ist game be serious players in this grade
Courcey have timmy Kelleher next year. Be interesting how they do but I can't see them winning it.




Cork double your right Wallis would stayed minors til end year and would stayed academy but limerick way or no way it seemed
As I said before I feel for grass roots fans and coaches some them, but it's board at fault imo


Go limerick thread and see their version which is correct and be fair and all credit due majority fans support Wallis and as last post said over there the players hugely admired Wallis
I said this many time in summer he's widely respected in limerick
O grady ask many in limerick it's divided opinion.
Wallis it's majority say nothing but praise for him.



Mention Wallis to limerick fans majority will say nothing but good things about him at all levels.
Limerick people aren't to blame. The board is, like cork ccb at times fans can't be blamed for their decisions.

Smith614

TTM.... The round 2 draws etc are only for losers. No draws for winning teams will be made until june. All winners of round 1 go straight to round 4 so it is not possible to know next oponents for winning teams. Its a bit of a shambles really as 14 of the original 16 teams go back into round 4 with the other 2 teams in relegation final.

HW100S

Douglas for 2015 senior championship!!

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

TTM.... The round 2 draws etc are only for losers. No draws for winning teams will be made until june. All winners of round 1 go straight to round 4 so it is not possible to know next oponents for winning teams. Its a bit of a shambles really as 14 of the original 16 teams go back into round 4 with the other 2 teams in relegation final.

My apologies

I thought way they had next round

It's a shambles system I agree
Ballyhea be hoping douglas beat barrs so as barrs be seen better opponent face than douglas

When ballyhea announcement manager

Smith614

TTM..Clem Smith seems the choice. Not sure if its official but its the name being thrown around.

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The draws very interesting In all codes

Midelton will be delighted in Wallis should have easy game ist time v Killeagh
Just look at coaching side imo there's miles of difference in both teams. Denis walsh no success anywhere really in coaching up against hugely successful Wallis with limerick, and cork senior, and in kerry club and this game if was going be won by killeagh only chance is tactical wise in yes kinery, maybee landers, Walsh, etc have few good players but midelton have array talent and be too string them
Wallis will pick players In their best position and I expect full back to be sorted and likes lehane be played at half forward

I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie nagle be tried full and killian Burke move centre back or Patrick o mahony if he's back who's fine hurler moved out field but imo not full back

Wallis will win tactical battle if Walsh is in charge of Killeagh.
Denis was fine player in both codes. But he's judged soley as a manager now as playing days are over and on record in managing hasn't set coaching world alight imo

Be interesting see Wallis back room team but guaranteed who's on it be top notch

They got nice draw imo and possibly youghal or na piarssigh next won't fear

Nightmare draw for ballyhea imo in blackrock will under Murphy actually play as team not individuals and they will just have too much power pace,and game plan and likes o callaghan, keoffes, niall cashman, joe loughe, Stephen Murphy they will beat ballyhea
I'd worry hugely ballyhea not confirmed yet so remains to be seen who is manager but if it's one possibility they won't have any tactical battle ready and in truth could be really in for long hour in the game
Even with good manager to beat blackrock with eddie Murphy tall order but if they have a poor manager I really fear they could be well beaten and they need to be competitive.




Pa callaghan be awesome but if he's poorly coached he could struggle as quilty really deserves immense credit getting best out him last year


Blackrock could have tough game v douglas or barrs and john cremin done well ist year and I expect I'f they find forward to add to eoghhan finn and colm Keane two good forward be solid team


Can't understand niall Cahalane joining as selector though hurling.
Football yes but hurling????



Douglas have serious potential and they have potential and then rockiees if meet be great game
Two clubs I like and like see do well

Sarsfields are short favourite for county imo can't see logic, I'n midelton or douglas or rockiees beat them and possibly glen
Sarsfields are. Imo an old team, no scoring forwards bar one maybee and newton I agree smith, in ed daly brilliant strength conditions coach and organiser but I'm not sure coaching sense alone but if they had coach to compliment he's skill could beat them

They have talent and if they play fast open game could beat sarsfields

Glen have tough opener v Ballymartle and close game to call and winners could meet eirns own who are trying to build team,take time imo but few lads from successful junior team are on the way Up and bowens is good coach but if glen overcome ist round games they will be there or abouts as young team, Shane miller be back and of course if horgan actually delivered consistent season as club player from play and Delivered on undoubted outstanding talent could indeed be contenders real contenders for the county.

Football is good draws and clyda have tough opener in ned English terrific coach but he's coming up against brilliant James Mccarthy young innovative and with cork development squads back in as manager haven

Haven be like midelton hurling reneregisedd after year off and yes clyda be tough, solid, resolute have game plan ultimately I can see just one winner in close game in haven with hurley brothers and mark Collins have better forwards

In games like this clyda have difficulty as once they face team top coach they will struggle in means English great influence negated and then comes down better players and not system like kerry beat donegal. In system gives you platform for individuals brilliant players to perform so haven imo will win once they negated clyda system like kerry done to donegal and with James Mccarthy they have man like kerry had fitzmaurice to do that.

They beat English system with duhellow county final few years ago, in duhellow even had one great forward Donnach o connor so they can win war arrition and dog fights and with renewed hunger and fresh Ness will win
Clyda imo won't be releageted in they won't face too many teams with haven forward quality or powerhouses at midfield in dinneen and good manager in Mccarthy so they will stay up

Lot respect between two clubs in both came on similar journeys, both have real club values, honesty, work ethic, pride jeresy beating big clubs and English would been cleary coach in cork job
Should be good game.

I said before clyda would be like haven and win county if they had a top top forward in colm o Neill hurley,mac eoin etc

As for winner play likely carbery ranger's and imo repeat last year haven will win this time

Nemo got nice draw and repeat last year ballincollg play barrs, in imo barrs had poor coach in slocum who was a great great player for cork but gave the village a close game imo much much better coaches team with Tony leahy, cit and cork under twenty one fame in charge Could very well win that game.


Hard for ballincollg to maintain hunger last year but young talent is there and must drive on for more and in Kelly, kiely brothers, o donuughe and jennings and durrant who's fine at club level be hard to beat but imo think barrs will win this one

Intermediate hurling kanturk have tough game v castlelyons with crowley meant be coach and tough tough game
Castlelyons with Spillane brothers. Colm Barry and imo niall o leary young yes but would not be surprised if he starts. So tough well able for it Browne kanturk minor last year started kanturk, so that's a close game imo.




Fermoy be happy with their draw imo, in the other intermediate grade I think charville win it this year and should beat arigeen ranger's and then possibly eire og.

Tough draw for champions castlemstyr in kildorrey be tough with mick Walsh and Peter o brien who won't have cork intermediate distraction and unlikely avondu will have long run so it's tough opener for east cork side

One key battle is obviously you put mick Walsh on Lawton, limit him huge chance to win and Peter o brien huge threat and beat best defenders in Galway. Tipp. Clare some under twenty one etc in last year cork all irelands triumph so it's going to be interesting to see imo who castle put to mark him
It will be close game though and if connery stays they have good coach.
If castle played a sweeper imo they would be better served and could do well In stop o brien kildorrey don't have any other real forward in he's class imo

The east cork side I imagine be happy in to extent in yes tough game but they avoided local derby.


Winners imo have tough game against likely Grenagh
In football mallow be usual favourite but imo won't come close, I said this last year at start in may. Couldn't believe mallow they were favourites
Win one or two games but imo crunch games won't win and apparently unsure if dorgan is manager again

If mallow had mick Donovan manager imo he'd be ideal imo but remain be seen if he is going to be the manager

Some interesting draws across board hard predict with certainly in cork scene being not knockout means ist round games can be lottery at times and we got wait til all management are finalised to imo know contenders and ones likely to struggle but so far in senior football imo I think it be nemo, haven, barrs a dark horse for good run and ballincollg if hunger is there

In hurling midelton, rockiees, and douglas be there or abouts , I can't see sarsfields being there and I hope their not In imo cork hurling needs new voice in club hurling one that can really push in munster club imo I don't mind who wins cork county in I'll be going for team I think has best opportunity to win club in munster cause cork hurling need one badly , in that case it will be based hughely on management and playing talent available.
When I see two finalists I'll decide then

At a glance midelton. Blackrock offer cork imo best club munster hope in the next two years




Glen imo won't be far away in county In cork

I'n intermediate football, premier eire og or maybee naomh abhan may do it.
Macroom have talent but lack spirit as a team imo
I'm not sure who coaches them next year but they have talent but flatter to device imo


In intermediate football rockchapel or mticheetown I think will be there or bouts

In hurling

Intermediate I think charville and I hope they win it,fine young team brilliant coach peter finn and unlucky met very good fermoy but nothing between two teams

In premier hurling I think fermoy cloyne and castlelyons and kanturk despite meeting ist game be serious players in this grade
Courcey have timmy Kelleher next year. Be interesting how they do but I can't see them winning it.




Cork double your right Wallis would stayed minors til end year and would stayed academy but limerick way or no way it seemed
As I said before I feel for grass roots fans and coaches some them, but it's board at fault imo


Go limerick thread and see their version which is correct and be fair and all credit due majority fans support Wallis and as last post said over there the players hugely admired Wallis
I said this many time in summer he's widely respected in limerick
O grady ask many in limerick it's divided opinion.
Wallis it's majority say nothing but praise for him.



Mention Wallis to limerick fans majority will say nothing but good things about him at all levels.
Limerick people aren't to blame. The board is, like cork ccb at times fans can't be blamed for their decisions.

Would agree Midleton with Wallace in charge should go close if all the players are back, I fancy Douglas and Blackrock to be up there this year on the back of strength in depth, Ballyhea tough first match and could struggle. I love the premier intermediate hurling draw should all be mostly good games with Castlelyons v Kanturk standout that should be a cracking match, poor castlemartyr got a real tough draw v Kildorrey will be interesting AGM for them heard some of the footballers not to happy at being pulled out of championship this year. Roll on 2015

Cu Baire

"Sarsfields are short favourite for county imo can't see logic, "

The bookies logic would be that they have been the best team in the county for the last 4 years and won at their ease this year. No other team has shown that they have what it takes. In most sports the reigning champions would usually start a competition as favourites to win it again unless the bookies felt that there was an element of luck to their previous win and I don't think you could say that about Sars this year.
Hope that helps

thinkstoomuch1

Every championship is completely different imo, and next year's is hugely in teams like midelton and blackrock, have two completely different management set ups than last year, in proven winning coaches at highest level and they have the talent


Douglas beat sarsfields, last year you will recall so they certainly can bear them this year

As for luck well I'd have to imo say they certainly had luck in they got glen rovers three weeks in row out so no doubt that affected glen


What must be taken in to the consideration is the ray Ryan,cussen , Cian mac, fraggie Murphy, tadhg og Murphy are all year older so when logic is applied imo fair and valid concerns to question sarsfields chance of winning it next year in midelton have confidence of two years ago and youth and now manager so sarsfields won't have it as easy this time imo


If rockiees meet them in early rounds imo there well capable beating them. Won't win county next year maybe not but rockiees certainly have younger fresher team imo.
Not always teams win championship go as favourites take ireland win grand slam rubgy year after didn't go in as favourites In Ireland had go to France and England away so every year in certain scenario can be different and thus next year hurling classic example of that imo In landscape has changed considerably before even sliothar thrown in.
Galway won under twenty one championship two years ago, football but last year were not the favourites
It's going in as favourite is my point of debate
A team or championship can change greatly in a year so just cause you win that year doesn't mean you imo be favourite next year



Clare won all ireland year before but kilkenny were favourites start year
Some teams like dublin in football are, favourite as holder but not every team
Kerry will be justified probably favourite in football with dublin and they justify it in tommy Walsh and Gooch are back, young kerry lads have winning expierence and belief now and can play two system play fully not new to it, and yes they have may retirement but overall be strong next year with Walsh and a fresh Gooch and likely very likely win munster championship easily so peak for certain games.



Judging next year for reasons I gave, my opinion is sarsfields don't justify favourite tags.


Yes sarsfields won two out of four championship last four years but midelton clearly contrary to a belief others haven't shown have what it takes clearly have shown last year win have what takes and win county under twenty one last year also in the double beating good blackrock team coached by wayne sherlock


Rockiees won under sixteen, minor under twenty one, clearly have what it takes and as I said then in summer would beat Ballymartle but for some imo poor sideline calls and conceding soft goals

Ballymartle are a fine team but rockiees had imo measure In that game and Eddie Murphy teams won't loose many games like that

Rebel norrie

Douglas. Rockies. Pairsaigh. Midleton. Erin's Own. Ballymartle. Sars. Bride Rovers. All to win first round ties.

seventh7

On John O'Sullivan he is a lovely balanced hurler, he is very economical with his ball use and gets his forwards in great positions with his deliveries. In relation to his defense he doesn't get deep enough at times, but I think this is a tactical approach from Rochwstown, he drifts into great positions as an outlet for ball from half back line.

I think the cork minors should look at him but I don't think they will pick pick him.



Agreed when he was younger the called him John the whipper as he pulled on everything going. Rochestown have used him tactically and thats why he has been holding a higher line. He may not get the space from the Ag as Coughlan and Leary are physically bigger and whilst John is mobile the older lads may out muscle him. I am surprised the TTM has not done the match ups yet as this will be cruical to the outcome. Which ever coach gets it right wins.

thinkstoomuch1

If I get time seventh I'll try do match up on the game

It's put back to 7.45 now
Hopefully I'll get to go the game, if not I look forward reading match report here.


I often don't look forward in to these games in sense two cork teams in final and hard to pick one to follow
Hopefully both teams play well

I don't mind who wins just hope no player gets injured
Huge game but imo draw harty cup Thursday greater significant

Hopefully we get which I think we will get cracker


One man match is Kingston has be marked by gunning

If your douglas you try keep gunning away from the play if all possible, in sense if your douglas you put Kingston in full forward. If gunning is in there hold him, and then half forward line for douglas with Cormack could prosper as gunning Could be influential in the centre


Any news on Daniel meaney, talk was may be okay quatre final harty???



Sullivan is lovely player.,two great posts by it makes sense and seventh saying how good he is

I never thought he be cork minor start year so many ahead him but he's exceptional form has been brilliant in all competition callaghan cup and the under sixteen munster b winning team and harty should be on radar imo.
Rochestowm and ag are two well coached sides. Tough game to call.
Rochestown may on the basis their management imo have showed better in tactical battle so far



Charville beat Ard scoil in limerick ist year hurling final replay also recently, if anyone wants team I'll post it.