Cork GAA Discussion Thread

It makes sense · 23-12-2014 11:55PM

sean mac wrote: »

TTM, I definitely think cork will win some games in the league but which ones? the away games to the north will be very very difficult.The dubs will look to lay down a marker vs cork, while as you say I can see Kerry taking the league game vs cork somewhat more serious then 2014s charade. Mayo under new management will be desperately seeking a national title for confidence but cork should at least be competitive at home.
Do you know who is doing the actual football coaching? I heard an awful rumour that cutbert was but I presumed Flanagan would do what he did with Kerry and actually coach also. I have to wonder how this dynamic is working??
The mass panic of management in calling in half of ballincolligs squad including the Kerry man durrant as well as cussen and kevin canty is an awful sign of a management team floundering in panic. Cuthberts terrible radio interview on redfm would give the indication of a man realising he is out of his depth but that wouldn't fit the character. I notice that the talk from last year of 'entertaining football', 'a bit of flair', 'getting the fans back' and all that bull**** has been dropped and now we are going to do our best which after 2014 was no where near good enough.
I think a realistic first 6 months is that cork will have been relegated from division 1 and receive another lesson from Kerry in Killarney. There is simply NO sign of positivitiy, lessons learned or any aspect of an acknowledgement of what is required for this level from the camp, I have huge respect for a lot of the players especially those who were part of the 2010 triumph, I hope but have heard nothing to indicate otherwise that they had the balls to have a conversation with the manager about 2015 and what was required from his end, it was well known during the summer that a lot of players were unhappy with what went on during 2014, I sincerely hope they have had these issues ironed out before we start in less then 2 weeks time.

Would agree worrying times for the footballers at the moment time will tell but cuthberts interview was not great did not really inspire any confidence in going forward I hope I am wrong first few games will tell what direction and what style they will attempt to play.

sean mac · 23-12-2014 11:56PM

lukin wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even get to play Kerry in Munster next year. It's quite possible that Limerick could beat us (if they beat Clare).
We needed Walsh to dig us out of a hole against Tipp this year and he isn't going to be available to Cuthbert in 2015.
Regardless I won't be going to Killarney next year as I don't want to sit there and witness a hammering. Cuthbert has made a number of mistakes in his first year that Counihan would never have made despite all his faults. He publicly criticised the players, publicly criticised the opposition and came out with a number of daft statements (e.g. "the Sligo game is our All-Ireland final"). Hopefully he will learn from them but I am not sure he will. Seems to be out of his depth as he only coached at minor level at inter-county and never played senior himself (the only Cork manager never to have done so I think). So what did people expect?

You could be right lukin, however I think limerick have gone way back even for a cork team in decline also. Now if it was tipp away or clare away it could be different altogether. Like yourself I wont be travelling to Killarney to witness a beating - maybe a reflection on me as a supporter but this guy is simply out of his depth.
Has any other county ever put a fella in as senior manager with the record of ONE munster minor football championship in 10 years of managing/coaching at minor football and club football?

CORKDOUBLE · 24-12-2014 12:07AM

I know somebody involved with Clare ..and he told me that they would be fully confident in beating Cork under Cuthbert ....straight up he pulled no punches ....unreal what people think of this man ...i also know a parent of one of the team a player i think got a good break from Cuthbert in 2014 ...yet she said things i could not repeat here about his management style ....all of what i have just wrote is 100% true. Its just so so sad for all of us who love the Cork football team and all Cork teams and who have supported them up and down the country to have no hope what so ever for 2015 ...its just not good enough.

SchoolsFan · 24-12-2014 12:23AM

School fan, you speak lot sense and I'll be honest very hard to disagree you what you say in lot of it has logic imo
I imo gave this perception I disagree with most views some here think,I imo clearly don't I just disagree if something totally incorrect with no fact back up spoken, all credit to your posts you don't speak nonsense but lot truth and while I may not agree with all you do back up your points with views worth considering.
You clearly know the hurling underage scene very well.
How do you rate sean Hayes would he deserve be called up cork senior panel or is it too early??

What you make under twenty one scene, in I'm confident, is it justified do you think??

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TTM the most important point you made about the Cork minors is that only 15 can be picked. Now there is a perception that this is easy but I think this is a skill that separates good from great managers. I for one would not like this thankless task, but I have full faith that Denis Ring will get this right. He is not above learning lessons and playing Shane Bourke full back last year was a mistake which will not be lost on him.

In relation to Sean Hayes I really rate him. In the 2012 O'Callaghan Cup final he carried the game single handily to Midleton on a very average Patrician Academy team. He was treated incredibly poorly in the 2013 Munster Championship game against Clare when he was brought on only to be taken off again and at a point when the game was won. This really impacted on him for a while.

My analysis of him:
Beautiful balance, which allows a clean crisp strike.
He can execute the basic skills at a very high pace, which makes him hard to manage. Speed is king, the ability to do simple things at pace is one thing top class players need
Great in the air. So good in fact the Cork minors look at him as a full and a centre back
Great ability to make space and to work a shot when under pressure, watch his use of the shortened strike, very hard to hook.

I would see him as a project player. Maybe not yet ready to start for Cork this year or next, but should benefit from all the training programmes that the Cork seniors do and be included in the seniors on field training. Get him exposed to that standard. In the meantime he should start for the U21's.

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 12:24AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I know somebody involved with Clare ..and he told me that they would be fully confident in beating Cork under Cuthbert ....straight up he pulled no punches ....unreal what people think of this man ...i also know a parent of one of the team a player i think got a good break from Cuthbert in 2014 ...yet she said things i could not repeat here about his management style ....all of what i have just wrote is 100% true. Its just so so sad for all of us who love the Cork football team and all Cork teams and who have supported them up and down the country to have no hope what so ever for 2015 ...its just not good enough.

Your spot on I heard same thing regards clare and they know cork have no midfield and there flying I'n training

Do you have link cuthbhert interview please southern start!??

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 12:30AM

SchoolsFan wrote: »

School fan, you speak lot sense and I'll be honest very hard to disagree you what you say in lot of it has logic imo
I imo gave this perception I disagree with most views some here think,I imo clearly don't I just disagree if something totally incorrect with no fact back up spoken, all credit to your posts you don't speak nonsense but lot truth and while I may not agree with all you do back up your points with views worth considering.
You clearly know the hurling underage scene very well.
How do you rate sean Hayes would he deserve be called up cork senior panel or is it too early??

What you make under twenty one scene, in I'm confident, is it justified do you think??

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TTM the most important point you made about the Cork minors is that only 15 can be picked. Now there is a perception that this is easy but I think this is a skill that separates good from great managers. I for one would not like this thankless task, but I have full faith that Denis Ring will get this right. He is not above learning lessons and playing Shane Bourke full back last year was a mistake which will not be lost on him.

In relation to Sean Hayes I really rate him. In the 2012 O'Callaghan Cup final he carried the game single handily to Midleton on a very average Patrician Academy team. He was treated incredibly poorly in the 2013 Munster Championship game against Clare when he was brought on only to be taken off again and at a point when the game was won. This really impacted on him for a while.

My analysis of him:
Beautiful balance, which allows a clean crisp strike.
He can execute the basic skills at a very high pace, which makes him hard to manage. Speed is king, the ability to do simple things at pace is one thing top class players need
Great in the air. So good in fact the Cork minors look at him as a full and a centre back
Great ability to make space and to work a shot when under pressure, watch his use of the shortened strike, very hard to hook.

I would see him as a project player. Maybe not yet ready to start for Cork this year or next, but should benefit from all the training programmes that the Cork seniors do and be included in the seniors on field training. Get him exposed to that standard. In the meantime he should start for the U21's.

School fan brilliant analysis forensiclly detailed as always

That's why I ask you I trust your judgement

That was correct poor pam team and Hayes unreal

He was poorly treated by kenneally superb in challenge match v dublin training etc then not started

He improved under ring hugely and landers

I'm huge fan Hayes I'd have starting cork under twenty one and should be cork intermediate with ronan sheehan selector but they may just have only one game

More games he get he'll improve

piuswal · 24-12-2014 12:50AM

Just a question re Graham Canty .What secondary school did he play football for?

piuswal · 24-12-2014 12:51AM

Just a question re Graham Canty .What secondary school did he play football for?

CORKDOUBLE · 24-12-2014 10:34AM

I am sorry TTM i am not very good at putting links up etc....but try www.southernstar and then click gaa.......happy christmas all....

wackokid · 24-12-2014 11:05AM

http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 11:36AM

wackokid wrote: »

http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/

Thanks still can't find interview though

All I see is gaa other topics

Must not be there now

Happy Xmas kid

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 11:37AM

http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/Improvement-needed-in-Cork-championship-says-JBM-19122014.htm
This is jbm ones similar to red fm one speaks lot logic especially asked regards cork club hurling and said pick players from any club in the county

Key worry here hugely concerns was he he said both him and cuthbhert would tried dualism again but players weren't up for it

Unbelievable when he acknowledged it can't work even
I mean in all seriousness like
Jbm would have as course he would seen more players but cuthbhert of course lacked conviction to say no its not working I want more my players
You see for the talk of changes and this and that regards cork football decision like this don't inspire me at all at all

It took aidan walsh to stand up say it's not working to end complete farce turned it out to be imo that alone walsh has be cork hurling captain

Footballer manager was happy to go with dualism again yet he says mistakes were learned from.
How were they if he was going to allow it again when basic clear as day mistake couldn't be seen for what it was
Imo very little has been learned if anything at all from cork football view point and this ist team picked two week should be interesting,clear indication and sense direction will be got in type players their looking at for new season

Cu Baire · 24-12-2014 12:14PM

"he said both him and cuthbhert would tried dualism again but players weren't up for it"
"Jbm would have as course he would seen more players but cuthbhert of course lacked conviction to say no its not working "

That sums up some posters' attititudes on here.

Two men agree on something one wrong one right.
JBM can do no wrong
BC can do no right.

Movealong · 24-12-2014 12:31PM

This time 12 months ago I stated to fellow GAA colleagues that Cuthbert was an appointment made in the best interest of hurling not football. Too many of the underage dual players were opting for football instead of hurling and Cuthbert's appointment was made by CCB to address this problem. My understating is John Cleary who had also been in contention for the job indicated he was not in favour of dual players and he lost out on the job as a result. He got support from the 'football people' on the selection committee but they didn't hold the balance of power.

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 12:33PM

Cu Baire wrote: »

"he said both him and cuthbhert would tried dualism again but players weren't up for it"
"Jbm would have as course he would seen more players but cuthbhert of course lacked conviction to say no its not working "

That sums up some posters' attititudes on here.

Two men agree on something one wrong one right.
JBM can do no wrong
BC can do no right.

You didn't seem to take in the very important fact hurlers like last year's would seen more players às like last year's if you knew of course, you realise most football training etc players actually spent more time with hurling overall
Jbm course allowed it didn't affect him at all really.

ShamoBuc · 24-12-2014 12:41PM

Cu Baire wrote: »

"he said both him and cuthbhert would tried dualism again but players weren't up for it"
"Jbm would have as course he would seen more players but cuthbhert of course lacked conviction to say no its not working "

That sums up some posters' attititudes on here.

Two men agree on something one wrong one right.
JBM can do no wrong
BC can do no right.

If both would try dualism again, both are wrong!

The difference is JBM has proven himself at this level and is worthy of another stint while Cuthbert has little or no experience, is clearly out of his depth, is a bluffer, has lost the faith of many a player and will bring Cork football relegation, further embarrassing championship defeats, no direction whatsoever and leave us in crap state for the next manager- all this despite having some seriously talented footballers available to him.
But its not really just his fault, I also blame those who thought it a good idea to give him the job in the first place and then put fuel to the fire by keeping him.

Maybe that doesn't go well with 'some posters attitudes' but I for one believe it to be 100% true.

Nollaig Shona agus ath-bliain faoi mhaise daoibh go léir a chairde !!

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 12:42PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

If both would try dualism again, both are wrong!

The difference is JBM has proven himself at this level and is worthy of another stint while Cuthbert has little or no experience, is clearly out of his depth, is a bluffer, has lost the faith of many a player and will bring Cork football relegation, further embarrassing championship defeats, no direction whatsoever and leave us in crap state for the next manager- all this despite having some seriously talented footballers available to him.
But its not really just his fault, I also blame those who thought it a good idea to give him the job in the first place and then put fuel to the fire by keeping him.

Maybe that doesn't go well with 'some posters attitudes' but I for one believe it to be 100% true.

Nollaig Shona agus ath-bliain faoi mhaise daoibh go léir a chairde !!

Great post always good to read logic and common sense

Happy Xmas and a great new year

zetecescort · 24-12-2014 03:51PM

happy and safe Christmas

CORKDOUBLE · 24-12-2014 04:14PM

Movealong wrote: »

This time 12 months ago I stated to fellow GAA colleagues that Cuthbert was an appointment made in the best interest of hurling not football. Too many of the underage dual players were opting for football instead of hurling and Cuthbert's appointment was made by CCB to address this problem. My understating is John Cleary who had also been in contention for the job indicated he was not in favour of dual players and he lost out on the job as a result. He got support from the 'football people' on the selection committee but they didn't hold the balance of power.

That is 100% correct John was also asked to make Cuthbert is no2 but refused ...would not except the dual players ...football means nothing to these people...

The White Feather · 24-12-2014 04:28PM

Lads,

Never question the Cork County Board. They know best and are all powerful.

Bow down and pay homage.

Their wisdom is all knowing.

:pac:

Happy Christmas to all the people on here who keep me so well informed on Cork GAA!!

Smith614 · 24-12-2014 05:11PM

Happy Xmas to all Gaels. We might disagree on here and come to blows at times but we all Cork at heart. Roll on 2015. Can't wait.

thinkstoomuch1 · 24-12-2014 05:14PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Happy Xmas to all Gaels. We might disagree on here and come to blows at times but we all Cork at heart. Roll on 2015. Can't wait.

Never a truer word spoken happy Xmas have great 2015

It makes sense · 24-12-2014 10:20PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Happy Xmas to all Gaels. We might disagree on here and come to blows at times but we all Cork at heart. Roll on 2015. Can't wait.

To true debate is great we only want to succeed in all that is good in cork gaa roll on the new season. Merry Christmas everyone.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-12-2014 02:25PM

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To the guys up to scratch where do you think each team, in each grade will come? I know we are 5 months from championship, but be interested to see where ye think we could go in each this year.

MENS
Hurling
Senior; I think we slightly overacheived last year. Maybe unlucky not to win Munster, but sending off in Semi for Dublin swung it our way.
Can see us getting knocked out between QF or Semi.

Football
Senior; I think we might be in for a poor year from footballers. I can even see us missing out on QF trip in August. Dont like saying it.

WOMENS
Hurling
Will be there or thereabouts I think but from what I saw still 2-3 players away from AI material

Football
AI champs again. Their hunger and desire has not went astray and don't see any reason for it to change this year.

You can add in Minor and u21 levels or others if ye like. Feel free to do so. Not up to speed on underages so why I left them out. I'd be only guessing.

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Mens football-compare our management set up to Dublin ,Tyroyne,Kerry ,Donegal even Fermanagh have pete mcgrath two time winning all ireland manager ,and got down u21 final 2009.have a proven set up te don't.
Meath have a superb manager in Mick o dowd ,playing fast ,hard,old style meath football,and are a year ahead of cork in terms of a game plan,and I wouldnt fancy meeting our bogey team in Croke Park.

The one positive is ,we are in a Munster final ,and if we loose just have one game to an all ireland quater final,it depends on the draw though.
Due to a very much unproven management level,Cuthbherts club record is poor not just with Bishoptown ,but with a much fancied Ballyclough in 2005,i think,they were beaten an a semi final at junior ranks.

The failure to include Deane,the failure to realise dualism is a dissaster waiting to happen ,and the fact john hayes is seen as an answer for cork ,and john mcloughlin is on the panel despite being poor last year,does not inspire me.

Cork to be beaten in the quaterfinals,and depending on the draw may not even make that far.

U21 football-like I said in another post,a great chance of winning ,but such is the quailty of. Tipp,and kerry getting out of munster is any of them 3 teams.

Minor football,a kind draw ,may due to the round robin get to an all ireland quater final,won't win it or go further,as while the talent is there,the wrong man is in charge.

Junior football,as the fact we have to field a new team ,we are hindered before a ball is kicked,beaten by kerry in munster

Senior hurling

To make a realistic assesment we have to see who and what the 2014 panel is.
To have guys like cussen,naughton,white,etc wont't inspire confidence.Spillane,nagle,alan cadogan ,must be on it.

The fact they see dualism as a realistic option and cadogan as an option at 3 or 6 is a worry.The potential is there with the right panel to find a 3 and 6,a partner for kearney ,as lorchan is not a midfielder,Clare twice proved that,and if the right men are found we could do very well.

Mcdonnell,patrick o mahony,shane o neill,and brian murphy are not the answer at full back.

U21 hurling,the talent is there,but due to an proven inept manager in 3 years at intercounty hurling ,we won't beat a strong,well coached waterford team with peter queally,and we will be doing well to be competive in walsh park.

Intermediate team to win Munster and have a real tilt at the all ireland.

Minor hurling,a top class management set up,complimented by a serious group of talented hurlers to really give a great show in the semi against a likely limerick side.
As I said,i saw limerick train last night ,have seen them several times already and with hurlers like ,tom morrisey,barry nash,ta touche cosgrave,cian and ronan lynch etc,they are a fantastic team,have about ten of last year with huge expierence.They would have home advantage also.

If cork had a full strength squad for the game we could win,it will be a titantic battle though,as Limerick are tipped by many to win the all ireland.They tend to do not as well with such high expectation though.

The ladies may if a few retire be under transition but if caoimhe creedon joined up they will be there or there abouts.With eammon ryan staying for another year they certainly have a chance but juliet such a great player,is understandably a huge loss this year.
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Now is as good as any to do a preview for cork gaa 2015
That was last year preview reposted above, so for this year and my school and line of thought from last year , Didn't take me far wrong so I kept the same principles judging this year with the two main golden rules I have Is don't do emotions when judging a team etc and key Is the crunch,The great great I mean the really great differential factor to help me separate a teams chances from failure to success, is I judge management first and foremost then I work from that.
Management is really and truly king

Preview 2015

Cork hurling
Senior I'm optimistic in regards we have a handy opener v Waterford in who are fine hurling talent but complete dissary under cutter management.
If that's in place for place for cork cork will win handy.

Problem for cork is mcgrath could be gone on by spring if results go against him.
You always know a manager is in trouble when he gets goes down line of commitment and passion and Im doing everything my power restore the fortunes of a team, he's over exaggeration imo sixty hours him management put in a week show me he knows he's I'n trouble.
I knows managers put lot work, full time jobs also and not putting in sixty a week.

The problem Waterford have though not many top class available managers for them viable now and with new guy in huge ask mid change to championship.

The fact imo cork will be quatre finalist with just three games to the summit is positive as is cahalane, Walsh hurling full text with cadogan leaving panel imo hugely positive news in better hurlers in Cork than him were in stronger position than last year.
Walsh hurling full time,he's left side striking should be improved and landers will make sure of that.

Fear is landers is unproven but he's good quality in him.
Kilkenney will be hugely weaker not so much for other retirement but jj delaney is biggest loss of all and there really short on cover as holden or glynn are not full backs.
Kilkenney are not unbeatable.

cork need three players from last year mainly a bench though.
I said this even last year though so my point is cork must really solve full back this year.

Full back cahalane is in pole.
All he's got to do is be solid and not spectacular but with new rule now penalty takers you can not just foul either
Dennehy cork intermediate should get a look if cahalane isn't it.
Colm Spillane imo be great full back but injury is the problem

Cormac Murphy. Colm Barry and imo Jamie nagle should got a call up would be contention one spot at half back
Joyce lorchan mcloughlin imo two certain starters
I'd have imo unit of Joyce Ellis and Cormac Murphy with lorchan as a sweeper and two man full forward line

Forwards, dayne lee imo won't be close to start this year as harty form been a mixed bag.
When Michael cahalane similar scenario was added last year difference was cahalane was consistently excellent in every harty cup game which dayne lee wasn't this year. To be fair to lee he's been played out of position at school level by management that clearly imo don't understand how to fully utilities he strength.
Lee has potential but imo hayes is further along development should be on cork panel training.
Sean is well able to win high ball.

Anthony Spillane must get a run at full forward, he's tough , has dog in him, bite and doesn't go missing and second year at under twenty one he'll improve again
He's on the panel.
Terrific ucc fresher's last year and castlelyons and cork intermediate imo has real potential.
Two years ago minor v Waterford got four superb points in the full forward line.

Unfortunately it seems pa callaghan won't playing cork senior next year.

Cork need depth in strength and no passenger so a bench of like Jamie nagle, conor sullivan, rob o shea, Colm Barry, Spillane and Colm if fit cork should have good bench
Paudie being back should help competition up front.
Cooper will improve year on in this set up
The likes of rickard cahalane and imo daire lordan offer potential to be worked on.
Lordan could be another ball winner with more potential than others.
Cork better giving him games see what he does than play cian mac when we all know what he does and more importantly can't do at the elite senior intercounty level.

Realistic expectation for me in year four, get settled full back NOT SHANE O NIELL OR MACCIE OR KILLAN BURKE AS THERE BRILLIANT CORNER BACK BUT NOT FULL BACKS
If cork play either those full back I'm going to cry as it's joke at this stage we have no full back

I expect cork to get to all Ireland final and at least get to an national hurling league semi final.
Any thing else is failure
Both can be achieved, ideally hurling league final should be the aim.
I believe In jbm , the key is tactics nous of landers has he got it at senior???
I'll answer that after four games in the league. I'll clearly know then as I will be closely watching cork training side line tactics now and we will soon know if landers has added to the set up.

If he does it there's an all ireland in Cork.

The league panel when finalised or championship should tell us a lot as current panel there is at least five that should imo be no where near it as there not up to elite senior intercounty level.
The question that must be asked in every player trials for cork?????
How we do v Kilkenney either now or in the future ???if you find yourself pausing in moments thought looking for reasons why he would do, and struggling to find reasons to back it up, that's your answer in a nutshell in should be on the panel.

To survive against Kilkenney like in killarney v kerry football You need a special type of characteristics in a player , nice hurlers or nice footballers alone won't do, that simple.
The ist league game v Kilkenney in valentines night is imo crucial cork season, cork need a win to get momentum. Get intensity up.
Loose and we have too tough tough games v clare and Dublin.
The Kilkenney game cork must be ruthless and go for goals as without jj there's goals in Cork full forward line and Kilkenney have problems there and wont be fixed by ist game.
It's a catch twenty two situation though in Cork banging in three goals great for corkIn the league but I can guarantee you who ever full back under Cody conceded three goals at full back won't be there for championship so in one sense you give Cody lesson he'll learn in championship unlike cork with mcdonnell being destroyed full back in 2012 league final yet cork still played him there time and time again, worse still tried other corner backs full backs and made imo them poor players by shattereing their confidence.

The only thing I's imo Kilkenney actually don't have many options for full back,as said before this is jj retirement will hurt them the most.
There vulnerable now at full back, cork must be ruthless in strike while the iron is hot , forget soft scoring point options goals goals goals go for v them
You instilled that mentality by doing it in training now , inside certain areas any forward told go for goals. If he misses fine, he goes again and again in training til you perfect it.
Cork must become more goal hungry, that has come from management instilled that goal mentality in training, you can't just turn in on games.
Cork still imo not doing enough in this department and I hold management responsible for this , should be going for five v Waterford replay last year but we're not ruthless enough.
If that was Kilkenney would got at least three v Waterford in that game.
Cork score points for fun, Add goals and a full back to this team and they will improve hugely imo.

Cork minor hurling I expect cork to get to munster final at least, if not then its a disaster.
I think they will get to a Munster final at least.
Getting to all Ireland semi final would be brilliant in give lads exposure at croke park.
Expect them to get to an all Ireland semi final.
I rate Denis ring hugely, proven coach at intercounty, senior club, etc.
Dwyer I rate highely as coach.
Martin excellent stats wise etc

Hartnett I said last year should be with cork teams huge hugely talented coach so cork have some set up with Ritchie o leary doing good work also in the strength and condition side of things.

Under twenty one hurling
I expect cork to beat Waterford as they still haven't finalised under twenty one management, if one set up gets the job though cork want be prepared as one candidate for coach is top top coach, if cork near waterford I fancy them to beat clare, have no mistake what hear Liam Hayes huge part in this management set up.
Damien irwin keen student of the game and may lack tactical nous but hayes has that and irwin has organised and cohesion so I'm happy.

I think tipp may win munster this year but cork won two competitive games back to back for the ist time since 2008 and competitive munster final I'd be happy.
Munster final the goal.
It's achievable.
Tippeeary imo will win it this year, made constant progress Last two years gave clare tough games and they have the minors from three years ago they will be formidable, but good thing is if cork play them in munster final it be in the pairc u rinn.
Connelly good coach with tipp.

Intermediate
Can't judge in bran new season
Expectations is not much. But I'd be happy if ronan dyane had little to do with the team if at all possible and ronan sheehan laid platform next year.
To get Even one game win here would be credible achievement imo.

Cork football
My. Minimum target would be cork win munster and stay in division one and get to an all Ireland semi final then I'd give cuthbhert a new term

Expectation is we will be relegated from division one , beaten by kerry, and any half decent team beat us all Ireland quatre final
I have no belief at all in this management, and nothing since last year changed that.

My hope is those if results are poor,cork not do what they done not once but many times last year turn blind eye to cork important issues and failed to question them.

Cork have too many false dawns in gaa and at times there is those in cork have huge influence that in blowing up wins without seeing the context of a game or their opponents at face value

Like last year mid spring to say cork football realistic all ireland contenders when you looked at inexperienced management we were not going to be anywhere close to an all ireland final.
To say cork would win a trophy and it was guaranteed was just way off and in league, munster, or all ireland weren't even competive in crunch games.

Minor football target would be beat kerry and get to all Ireland minor semi final
Truth Is imo a big defeat in kerry and a short season
Donal o Sullivan wonderful passionate gaa man Great servants, wonderful record beara in 97 but tactical astute modern day management reading a game in flow imo he's way off the standard for the modern game
I'm not doubting for one second he's knowledge or wisdom of the game its the tactical mastering in modern football I hugely doubt
This management term is up this year , and if kerry beat them they shouldn't be getting a new term.
You offer the job to james Mccarthy.
I would say offer it to English or Cleary but imo they should be senior managers.

Under twenty one win munster but huge huge game all Ireland semi final play Dublin imo win leinster
Target would be win all Ireland
They will give it a good go
Sean hayes is a brilliant manager and proven record while gene o driscoll is a brilliant coach proven also.
Add in darragh o she who brilliant imo the greatest midfielder I ever seen but poor poor tactical manager.

Cork junior football will have tough game v kerry but target imo is win all Ireland And imo they will do just that once get over a very very tricky kerry in Cork. Management proven at this grade.

Cork ladies football
Target will be like every year win the all Ireland, Kilkenney style Last year is history
Expectation is they will win it
Manager is a legend and ronanye with them brilliant with Mourne abbeys ladies also this year.
Minors have talent coming through, cork won all ireland under twenty one last year, any retirement I still think they will be fine.
They got over juliet murphy Retirement so there capable doing the same again.
They have a relentless culture of winning, hunger,and no cork team wants to be seen as odd one out In team failed win all Ireland.
They don't do nonsense like success comes in cycles as excuse drop standards, say next few years well drop off as we won every year. Like Kilkenney when beaten come back stronger and always try hit standards or more previous years.
Even with old generation gone or going new breed talent been developed in same mentality and imo it's not will cork win an another all ireland but how many of the next five In the next five years they will win.

Cork camoige

A lot depends if Paudie Murray is in charge
Target is retain to an all Ireland.
Expectation if Murray is there imo they will win it
This guy I said it before I'm huge huge fan top top coach,he's a winner, ruthless In pursuit of glory.

School hurling
Target is cork get a school to harty cup final and win it and get to all Ireland school semi final
Ag mhurie have easier side of the draw avoiding Ard scoil
Rochewstown have easier quater final though so it's interesting,
Rochestown in my opinion the better management than Ag but Ag the better players.

Corn u mhurie
Target is cork side get to a final
Expectation imo is clonakilty will do well make it, Rochwstown dual status means they imo will suffer in the football

Cit will give the fitzgoibbion a rattle but lit imo at home training hard, pushed clare all the way in a challenge last week End will be a real danger for any team
Cit have pat mulchay and Donal involved good coaches
Ucc will be real contenders with ger blue, furlong , seanie Mcgrath, Jim McCeovy

Ucc In the sigerson cup will be there or there abouts king billy Morgan, a real real coach who is a top top great great, I mean really really great coach.

Cork club scence
Hurling I expect the county champions to come from midelton, rockies, Douglas and possibly the glen.
As long as sarsfields don't win it I'm not too bothered.
Hopefully sars will start to build new team with lots very talented young lads and id like them to win a senior in a few years but only when they can win munster for cork.
Winning a county next year like I said this year is bad for cork hurling as they offer cork nothing going forward at intercounty senior bar conor sullivan, rest miles of senior elite intercounty.

Club football
I expect castlehsven to win the county and nemo to be their or their about.
Talent is combined by wonderful astute young proven coach james Mccarthy.

Target is cork club wins munster title and in all grades at least one beats kerry team break dominance last year

Off the field my hope is with ger lane and Tracy Kennedy we will get more reasonable debate in Cork gaa when issues need to be address a far change from Bob ryan view despite he's claim cork gaa is not run by any single one person , very hard to belive when any ccb meeting he charge it was case of he's voice and if he didn't like opposite view shut it down in no debate.

The refusal to debate cusack among the overlooking of Cleary imo was appalling for a chairman of any organisation in the attuide we won't debate.

I expect ger lane and Tracey Kennedy, two I have huge admiration for will at the very least debate such issues when they arise.
One slight worry I'd have is I listened to ger lane on radio this morning and he didn't seem think any problem in Cork club scence for hurling. He seemed to think it was fine yet jbm recently said he's not happy with cork club hurling, wants better.
On the other hand he seems like type and would encourage debate in the issue.
The club's can this year make submission in championship up review at end year, must do that as cork scene is vert poor.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some one like Wallis to speak about poor standard cork club referring in when he gets up running as midelton manager as he spoke about it to the papers before when he wasn't even in Cork management team.
Of course some in Cork were not happy with what he said but that was few years ago and look where it's at now,he was fully justified in he's comments.
I have talked to a lot of players ex managers I know and they say the club scence standard is poor compared other counties and all mention refereeing too soft.
Just watch harty cup knock out games now with fergal horgan in charge, that's really really top manly referring.

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a year ago
21/10/2013 12:06
thinkstoomuch1
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Cork’s new manager Brian Cuthbert has much work to do if he's going to win over the doubters

Brian Cuthbert inherits a panel which is within reach of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo
Business at Tuesday night’s meeting of the Cork county board proceeded with a familiar, ruthless efficiency, pausing briefly to announce Brian Cuthbert as the new senior football manager before applying a full stop to all subsequent discussion like the bang of a judge’s gavel.

Michael Maguire, the Castlehaven delegate, asked for some detail on the reasons behind Cuthbert’s appointment ahead of his old teammate John Cleary. County chairman Bob Ryan pulled his kite to the ground before it got airborne. The discussions were confidential, he said, before taking aim in the usual direction and letting off a few shots to scatter any lingering crows.

Local media reports that the interviews with Cuthbert and Cleary addressed the subject of dual players, Ryan said, had been erroneous, damaging and completely untrue. Perhaps, he said, one particular newspaper had a mischievous agenda when it came to Cork football.
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That was in sunday independent paper last year after cuthbhert got the job.
Such attuide from the ccb hopefully will not happen this year and saying A news paper has agenda just cause they ask a question imo most cork wanted to ask in regards dualism, my opinion was a bit harsh.
Cork gaa must from board level down have decromatic debate imo.

The ist line this article was right in cuthbhrert inherited a panel within reach of Dublin, mayo and kerry.
Make no mistake the talent is in Cork football but young lads must be developed to the next level like kerry etc.
The cork gaa one things is for certain something we can all agree on, is there will be plenty to talk about in 2015.

In regards cork managers outside the county, i expect ephie to do well with clare, creedon with tipp,won't win all Ireland but when they leave they will leave their teams in better position and ger cunningham and ed coughlan to do well with Dublin, leinster final and all ireland quater finals I expect them to get to and depending on draw even further

I'd expect limerick minors to not be as strong and the honeymoon period imo is over for them at minor in terms of progress over absence jerry Wallis and under twenty ones with Ross Corbett and jimmy quIilty expect them to do okay.
Any progress eoin cadogan makes with armagh hurling will be progress and I wish the Orchard county the best for next year
And cadogan in he's role.

Corks biggest dangers in terms of opponents imo will be senior hurling Kilkenney and clare, not tipp there In decline under o shea in as good coach he Is they suffered too many defeats to Kilkenney and crying out for a new voice.

In football kerry obviously but any half decent team with good manager real threat to cork
Imo only two teams will have chance to win the all ireland, Dublin and kerry
Rest of the chasing pack will be miles off despite armagh been blown up under the over hyped mcgeeney, they won't come close to an all ireland.
Having said that armagh would beat cork.
From football sense I'd fear cork if they had to play Galway, meath, armagh, monaghan, Tyrone , Donegal, Dublin,Clare or tipp.

The only team id be confident in championship is derry, mayo, kilare, sligo, Offaly etc and possibly down but that's imo mainly due to what does team can't do rather than what cork will do.

Cork under twenty one hurling tipp imo biggest danger
Minor hurling tipp the main danger if we meet
I wouldnt actually fear Kilkenney minors this year or Galway.
Tippeeary imo will take some beating.

Cork intermediate hurling, any team Cork In Cork play in they have bran new team next year
Cork minor football kerry biggest threat to us
Cork under twenty one football tipp In munster , Dublin in all ireland series
Cork junior football, Kerry, get over that game they won't be stopped by anyone.
The biggest threat to any cork school winning the harty cup is Ard scoil ris,Thurles are good but quite beatable imo.
Imo neneagh, castletroy, youghal definitely won't win it,lack real scoring power.

Hamilton unlikely but better chance than the three I mentioned and if any team can pull shock win v Ard scoil it's these lads.

Ard scoil, Thurles, rochestown or Ag mhurie the winner will come from.
In the corn mhurie, corks team biggest danger are the kerry teams.

The pairc project should be interesting to watch unfold, i hope it doesn't become a drama but my opinion is I have a fear based on past history there will be some drama with this down the line in there always seems to be something in Cork gaa.
I still can't get my head around how it's costing seventy million and it's not actually a bran new stadium to be honest In my opinion in using part old stadium in part of the new one.
If I was spending that much money I'd expect bran I mean bran new stadium.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-12-2014 08:36PM

I got the evening echo tonight and fair play credit where due real value in it tonight in lots good interviews regards noel galvin. Daniel kearney etc and mention cork camoige and ladies football in great detail.

The kearney interview was brilliant I'n right at the end he had the boldness, honesty and conviction to say club referring up the country let's game flow more and in Cork it's blow most times and he asked why that is

Daniel my answer is its poor simply as no ex pundit or player or media person really tackle the sub standard basket ball like referring in Cork and brings it to the attention nor do the club delegates at ccb meetings but crucially above all the ex refeee who was an absolute brilliant referee in frank murphy blatantly ignores the shambles it is in Cork scene right under he's nose as the secretary cork gaa and yet he has the audacity to question inter county referring just cause their cork lost game to mayo but in truth cork would lost that any way.

In the last two weeks we had jbm and now kearney say the cork hurling club scence not as good as they like and identity problems, that's a current player and manager yet no one will really tackle the issue and mention it as real real concerns.
To be fair to barry Donovan I think in the echo he touched on the hurling but focused on the football but there's real real opening here for any good journalist wanting to become a great truly great journalists,in my opinion of course, in they should as they have the means to do so but forensically look at number frees given in Cork club matches and compare and contrast to Kilkenney and limerick and id almost guarantee that the free ratio in Cork is double if not treble those those counties.
And that's a real real issue cork hurling must truly debate where for and against the current referring style in debate it and let's the fact show the reality.

I always as known here have huge huge time for Daniel kearney rightfully club player of the year, and one cork best players all season last year even v tipp and he's real dog and bite in he's hurling blessed with terrific spatial awareness, lovely hands, wonderful pace and feet and real classy hurling but this interview shows the honesty within to call a spade a spade and not go with the status quo, and like Aidan walsh speaking out against dualism this shows character I mean really really great character within and these are the exactly type of players cork demand and are truly blessed to have on the field of play In their like the rock, cusack, deane before them,off field they lead the way and are true true I mean true warriors cork hurling are blessed, truly imo blessed to have wearing the famous legendary red and white blood and bandage of cork.
Well done Daniel lad, let's hope others now will actually listened to your grievance and actually change the referring protocol not the referees themselves, and if they do then cork club hurling will be better and indeed at all levels cork hurling will be far far better imo overall which at the end of the day calling a spade a spade can only be good for cork hurling.

piuswal · 27-12-2014 10:58PM

Does anyone in Cork know where Graham Canty went to secondary school?

wackokid · 28-12-2014 12:02AM

TTM......I'm fascinated with this refereeing debate in so far as Cork is concerned.
Surely the rules are the same in all counties and a foul is a foul in Kilkenny and Tipperary if it's a foul in Cork.
I would dearly love somebody to explain this 'grey' area in more detail.
It seems to me that abuse of the rule leads to 'hell's kitchen' or 'knocknagow' style hurling
where anything goes.
Is that what is being advocated or am I missing the point completely?
Answers on a €50 note please and happy new year to all who pass by here.

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-12-2014 02:16AM

Theres logic need to be applied
I've seen school games where lads are allowed to have physic contact obviously not dangerous blatantly foul play

I see your point wacko and it's valid in we don't want free for all either we want hurling survive not just the brute physicality but you can imo have a balanced approach.

Kearney isn't a physical player but more of a hurler so when he says he wants game allowed be let flow more then time take notice
Some cork referees blow for any contact in the game

Its hurling not basket ball and obviously can't be reffeed like rugby but have do the balance.
Unless intercounty referring changed to every contact Is blown then cork have no choice buy in to referee like intercounty as whether people agree with cork style or more tough style in other counties it's irrelevant in a sense in, if inter county style is one in the fray which ever style it is then cork should follow as players in Cork at moment have one style in Cork and one style in intercounty.
Imo easy solutions is meet intercounty referrers and simply follow their protocol whether it's the soft or tough approach.

If intercounty referring blew every time it be fine in Cork in players used same style but its not the case where as other county club scence more in line with inter county ways.

The current cork style needs to be looked at and kearney highlights it.
I was talking to a club player who said the same referees blow for slightest thing in Cork.

Nobody advocate dirty foul play, but at the end of day people want a flow to it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/wallace-urges-cork-hurlers-to-get-more-physical-193564.html

Wallis made valid points
I'm not critical of referrers either as I said I don't blame them it's protocol there given if told to be tougher they will be

I think I know who the Kilkenney. Club player he on bout is and that player if it's the same guy I'm thinking of is not dirty player at all all and certainly would not be a hard player at all but just obviously realised the softness In Cork hurling and was right to point it out imo.

It makes sense · 28-12-2014 08:15PM

Touching on the subject of refs the cork public also need to Cop on I have been at matches ref by Mcallister and Bermingham who generally let the game go without blowing for everything and people would be screaming out for frees left right and centre. I think these two refs are good for the game and should be applauded for their style.

ShamoBuc · 28-12-2014 08:20PM

It makes sense wrote: »

Touching on the subject of refs the cork public also need to Cop on I have been at matches ref by Mcallister and Bermingham who generally let the game go without blowing for everything and people would be screaming out for frees left right and centre. I think these two refs are good for the game and should be applauded for their style.

Fans screaming at refs for frees is hardly solely a Cork thing:rolleyes:

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