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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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  • #632
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    I can't understand that. Marriages are such happy loving occasions. Why would you use your voting ability to deny someone am occasion like that?

    Because homosexuality is not deserving of society's endorsement. As people we are all equal but homosexual relationships are completely inferior.


  • #633
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    giggle84 wrote: »
    This law may not directly affect you personally, but if there was some law that was directly affecting your right to be equal to everyone else, wouldn't you like to think that your neighbours would support you and take a half hour out of their day to cast their vote?

    There is equality - Everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Is the fact that a man cannot marry a goat or a child "inequality"?

    Where's the inequality?


  • #634
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,160 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Because homosexuality is not deserving of society's endorsement. As people we are all equal but homosexual relationships are completely inferior.

    So now you have explained this will you agree your opinion is a completely bigoted one?


  • #635
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,516 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Is the fact that a man cannot marry a goat or a child "inequality"?

    You do understand the concept of informed consent, don't you?

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  • #636
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,160 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    There is equality - Everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Is the fact that a man cannot marry a goat or a child "inequality"?

    Where's the inequality?

    Ahh the classic gay marriage will lead to bestiality straw man, surprising it appeared before the polygamy one but its always good to see it rear its fallacious head


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  • #637
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Because homosexuality is not deserving of society's endorsement. As people we are all equal but homosexual relationships are completely inferior.

    You have to be messin. Why are they inferior?


  • #638
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    There is equality - Everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Is the fact that a man cannot marry a goat or a child "inequality"?

    Where's the inequality?
    You cannot see the inequality? Are you serious?

    It is possible to target a group for discrimination, even when providing nominal equality under a universal metric, by targetting a particular attribute.

    In the U.S. the Jim Crow laws on voting never explicitly mentioned race, but they were almost perfect at allowing white people to vote while disenfranchising black people. Why? Because they disenfranchised according to metrics/tests that whites were likely to pass and blacks likely to fail. Educational requirements, family history of slavery, elector taxes etc.

    This is no different. Yes, everyone can marry only a person of the opposite sex, but it would be disingenous to the point of absurdity to say that this restriction does not affect one group (homosexual people) more than another (straight people).

    FWIWI intend to vote yes, because I have strong libertarian tendancies especially in the social policy.

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  • #639
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alroley


    I will be voting yes. Everyone deserves the same rights.


  • #640
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Do you really believe that the relationship between a young married couple with a baby is "equal" to that of a couple of boyos who met on Grindr and who spend their time taking poppers, cheating on each other and over time destroying each other's sphincters?

    Serious question.

    The basic acts that underlie homosexuality (males or females) are unnatural and ridiculous. Do you think that they're on a par with procreation?


  • #641
    Defender OF Faith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Defender OF Faith


    definitely against, the institution of marriage has been through out history and from the birth of mankind between a man and a women and I wouldn't like this tradition to be changed at least in this country plus the fact that a marriage is not required for a happy relationship.
    You can spend many years happily living with your gay partner doing anything a regular couple do exactly what will marriage change other then self satisfaction that you can now do what a straight couple can.


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  • #642
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Defender OF Faith wrote: »
    definitely against, the institution of marriage has been through out history and from the birth of mankind between a man and a women and I wouldn't like this tradition to be changed at least in this country plus the fact that a marriage is not required for a happy relationship.
    You can spend many years happily living with your gay partner doing anything a regular couple do exactly what will marriage change other then self satisfaction that you can now do what a straight couple can.

    A great post.

    The homosexual agenda is more about "look at me Mammy/Daddy - I'm actually normal" rather than any real desire to marry.

    It's all about normalising homosexuality when it's a million miles from being normal.


  • #643
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,160 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Do you really believe that the relationship between a young married couple with a baby is "equal" to that of a couple of boyos who met on Grindr and who spend their time taking poppers, cheating on each other and over time destroying each other's sphincters?

    Serious question.

    The basic acts that underlie homosexuality (males or females) are unnatural and ridiculous. Do you think that they're on a par with procreation?

    So your either trolling or you just are an ignorant savage who has never met "a gay" and rely on tired stereotypes to help reinforce your backwards view of how the world operates.


  • #644
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    VinLieger wrote: »
    So now you have explained this will you agree your opinion is a completely bigoted one?

    I don't think you have the right to tell someone what there opinion is.But let me get your opinion if I may.Do you believe,in your opinion,its possible for somebody to oppose same sex unions and not be a bigoted "homophobe"? And if so then how?


  • #645
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    VinLieger wrote: »
    So now you have explained this will you agree your opinion is a completely bigoted one?
    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    You do understand the concept of informed consent, don't you?
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ahh the classic gay marriage will lead to bestiality straw man, surprising it appeared before the polygamy one but its always good to see it rear its fallacious head
    Hannibal Smith wrote: »
    You have to be messin. Why are they inferior?
    SeanW wrote: »
    You cannot see the inequality? Are you serious?

    It is possible to target a group for discrimination, even when providing nominal equality under a universal metric, by targetting a particular attribute.

    In the U.S. the Jim Crow laws on voting never explicitly mentioned race, but they were almost perfect at allowing white people to vote while disenfranchising black people. Why? Because they disenfranchised according to metrics/tests that whites were likely to pass and blacks likely to fail. Educational requirements, family history of slavery, elector taxes etc.

    This is no different. Yes, everyone can marry only a person of the opposite sex, but it would be disingenous to the point of absurdity to say that this restriction does not affect one group (homosexual people) more than another (straight people).

    FWIWI intend to vote yes, because I have strong libertarian tendancies especially in the social policy.

    You're all just giving him the attention he craves - he would sign up to Stormfront and claim to be a black Jewish transsexual if he felt it would get enough replies. Basically, don't bother.


  • #646
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,160 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    fran17 wrote: »
    I don't think you have the right to tell someone what there opinion is.But let me get your opinion if I may.Do you believe,in your opinion,its possible for somebody to oppose same sex unions and not be a bigoted "homophobe"? And if so then how?

    Considering what they exactly said there where they consider homosexuals inferior I think im allowed to call it exactly what it is by the very definition of the word bigotry.

    Also no I dont believe anyone who opposes it is anything but a bigot since I have yet to encounter a single argument against equal marriage rights that is not rooted in bigotry to some degree.


  • #647
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Do you really believe that the relationship between a young married couple with a baby is "equal" to that of a couple of boyos who met on Grindr and who spend their time taking poppers, cheating on each other and over time destroying each other's sphincters?

    Serious question.

    The basic acts that underlie homosexuality (males or females) are unnatural and ridiculous. Do you think that they're on a par with procreation?

    Please say you don't believe all gay couples act as you've described above.

    I don't want to believe anyone is this blinkered.


  • #648
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    The idea that this is about "equality" is erroneous. We are all "equal". This is about relationships and all relationships are not equal.

    By all means allow homosexuals to enter into civil partnerships but marriage is a step to far. The relationship between two homosexuals is unnatural and wrong. Homosexual relationships are inherently unstable (Google will point you to any number of surveys confirming this). Heterosexual relationships are fundamentally built on a natural act (sex) and the creation of a family unit. To try and put that on the same level as homosexual relationships is offensive to "normal" people.

    In the last 30 years homosexuality has done very well for itself - It has escaped from the bath houses of San
    Francisco and is broadly tolerated. But marriage is a step to far.

    You are on the internet. You dont care about what is unnatural.


  • #649
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    fran17 wrote: »
    I don't think you have the right to tell someone what there opinion is.But let me get your opinion if I may.Do you believe,in your opinion,its possible for somebody to oppose same sex unions and not be a bigoted "homophobe"? And if so then how?
    Once again... we're all still waiting for a valid reason why a group of people should be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, because I can not recall a single one in the multiple threads there have been on this issue. "It's tradition/has always been this way" is blatantly untrue, and "it's just how I feel" is indeed no more than an admission of bigotry, and there's no ifs or buts about that - replace "same sex" with "interracial" in your question above and try to answer it.

    And once again... what are these "requirements" for getting married you were on about earlier, and who exactly came up with them?


  • #650
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Do you really believe that the relationship between a young married couple with a baby is "equal" to that of a couple of boyos who met on Grindr and who spend their time taking poppers, cheating on each other and over time destroying each other's sphincters?

    Serious question.

    The basic acts that underlie homosexuality (males or females) are unnatural and ridiculous. Do you think that they're on a par with procreation?

    Serious question - how do you feel about the young heterosexual men and women who get up to exactly the same thing? Shouldn't they be on the receiving end of your disgust and outrage, and be banned from becoming young married couples also?

    I find your views on homosexuality to be particularly abhorrent, and as you should know, procreation is not the be all and end all of marriage.


  • #651
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Do you really believe that the relationship between a young married couple with a baby is "equal" to that of a couple of boyos who met on Grindr and who spend their time taking poppers, cheating on each other and over time destroying each other's sphincters?

    Serious question.

    The basic acts that underlie homosexuality (males or females) are unnatural and ridiculous. Do you think that they're on a par with procreation?

    Have you been cheated on by a gay man because you're awful bitter there.


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  • #652
    Straylight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Straylight


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    The relationship between two homosexuals is unnatural and wrong.

    You forgot to add "in my opinion". Because that's all it is, just because you state it doesn't make it fact.-
    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Homosexual relationships are inherently unstable (Google will point you to any number of surveys confirming this).

    And a quick Google will tell you that divorce rates in heterosexual marriages in the UK and the US are currently 47% and 53% respectively. It's 55% in France, 61% in Spain, and a whopping 71% in Belgium. That doesn't sound like heterosexual relationships are particularly stable either.
    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Because homosexuality is not deserving of society's endorsement.

    Gay people don't need society's endorsement because it's none of our business how gay people live their lives. But to say they don't deserve society's endorsement immediately relegates them to second class citizens. Surely you don't feel that gay people are inferior to you or me now, do you?
    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    There is equality - Everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.

    That's not equality. Just because they're free to do something doesn't make someone equal if they have no desire to do that thing.


  • #653
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Please say you don't believe all gay couples act as you've described above.

    I don't want to believe anyone is this blinkered.

    Do you honestly believe that society should endorse two men riding each other? Tolerating it is fine - We're a liberal society. However endorsing it and saying that it's just the same as a normal relationship is insane.


  • #654
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that society should endorse two men riding each other? Tolerating it is fine - We're a liberal society. However endorsing it and saying that it's just the same as a normal relationship is insane.

    Some obsession you have ! Do you spend much time thinking about it ?


  • #655
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    giggle84 wrote: »
    This law may not directly affect you personally, but if there was some law that was directly affecting your right to be equal to everyone else, wouldn't you like to think that your neighbours would support you and take a half hour out of their day to cast their vote?

    I would be naïve to consider my neighbours doing anything that helped me without at least some element of self interest involved.
    Might sound harsh, but had recent experience.


  • #656
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Straylight wrote: »
    You forgot to add "in my opinion". Because that's all it is, just because you state it doesn't make it fact.-



    And a quick Google will tell you that divorce rates in heterosexual marriages in the UK and the US are currently 47% and 53% respectively. It's 55% in France, 61% in Spain, and a whopping 71% in Belgium. That doesn't sound like heterosexual relationships are particularly stable either.



    Gay people don't need society's endorsement because it's none of our business how gay people live their lives. But to say they don't deserve society's endorsement immediately relegates them to second class citizens. Surely you don't feel that gay people are inferior to you or me now, do you?



    That's not equality. Just because they're free to do something doesn't make someone equal if they have no desire to do that thing.

    No, we are all equal.

    However, homosexual relationship are inferior to normal ones.

    Comparing the two is actually offensive.


  • #657
    Straylight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Straylight


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    No, we are all equal.

    However, homosexual relationship are inferior to normal ones.

    Comparing the two is actually offensive.

    Again you forgot to add "in your opinion". I'm not offended by them and currently it seems that neither are over 70% of the voting population.


  • #658
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    No, we are all equal.

    However, homosexual relationship are inferior to normal ones.

    Comparing the two is actually offensive.

    that statement is offensive.


  • #659
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Considering what they exactly said there where they consider homosexuals inferior I think im allowed to call it exactly what it is by the very definition of the word bigotry.

    Also no I dont believe anyone who opposes it is anything but a bigot since I have yet to encounter a single argument against equal marriage rights that is not rooted in bigotry to some degree.

    So if this referendum fails what you perceive to be the correct outcome and the majority of Ireland vote no,Are elderly people,religious people and the young all bigoted "homophobes"?


  • #660
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Defender OF Faith wrote: »
    definitely against, the institution of marriage has been through out history and from the birth of mankind between a man and a women and I...
    Explain why examples of same sex marriage go back about as far as male/female marriage then - each about 2,400BC?


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  • #661
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    How can anyone be against this honestly?

    It's almost 2015 can we not get over this whole "gay is wrong" nonsense and accept that love is love no matter who with!

    Everyone deserves the right to be happy.

    I'll be definitely voting yes!


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