How Bout Dem Bears?

Itssoeasy · 18-12-2014 04:57PM

SameOleJay wrote: »

Bro, Clausen is terrible. I mean, the guy can't play.

Jay cutler isn't setting the world alight to be fair.

padraig_f · 18-12-2014 05:30PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Rumours already the Titans would want him, we were interested last year, we have a lot of cap space this year but do we want to blow a lot of that in Cutler? I'm not so sure

I don't think his contract is that bad now the Bears have swallowed $22.5m of it this year. Leaves $31.5m to be paid over the next two years (then team options after that). With the salary cap going up, a top-ranked QB would probably get $25m in a new contract, so $16m-odd for Cutler isn't too bad.

edit:

ok some of this year's was deferred.

"Jay Cutler had $5M of his 2014 comp ($22.5M) deferred until 2015. $2.5M of that will be pd 3/30/15 & $2.5M over 2015 season h/t @corryjoel"

So more like $18.5m/year, getting a bit steep at that alright.

SameOleJay wrote: »

This move makes no sense. It hurts Jay’s trade value, pulls the curtains on Emery’s career and kills any semblance of morale left in the locker room.

Yeah still not sure what's going on. Possibly a two-fingers from Trestman to Emery, after Emery distanced himself from Trestman earlier in the week over the Kromer incident. But then you'd think if the move was done without ownership wishes, that Trestman would've been fired the following day.

Other possibility that makes some sense is ownership have decided to trade Cutler and don't want him injured in the last 2 games.

padraig_f · 18-12-2014 06:09PM

Adam Hoge has a good take here, that it's just ownership keeping their options open for the new coach and possibly GM:

Change Is In The Air: Benching Cutler Just The First Of Many Big Moves To Come

A longterm Cutler decision doesn’t need to be made until March 13 and this is set up in a way where the McCaskeys can pitch the GM/head coach jobs in way where the candidates have the freedom to do whatever they want with Cutler.

Because let’s be honest, if Cutler was guaranteed to be on the 2015 roster, many possible candidates would be scared off. We don’t need Aaron Kromer to tell us that.

Whoever the Bears hire may want to get rid of Cutler. Fine. Goodbye. But it’s also possible they look at the cap situation and the other options out there and decide that keeping Cutler around for another year makes more sense.

Oat23 · 18-12-2014 07:25PM

SameOleJay wrote: »

Bro, Clausen is terrible. I mean, the guy can't play.

We all thought we were doomed with McCown too. He might play well under Trestman with no pressure. He had an impossible job in Carolina and here we have only seen him in pre-season.

Not saying he's going to put up 300 yards. But he is capable of managing a game and beating the Vikings.

SameOleJay wrote: »

This move makes no sense. It hurts Jay’s trade value

That's not possible. He's been in the league since 2006 and every GM/coach in the league knows what you get with him. Starting him and him getting injured is the only thing that would hurt his trade value.

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Ah **** the draft pick, I'll give Emery one thing, he can draft (minus mclellin). I'm just sick of being embarrassed. And I don't fancy watching the ****ing Detroit lions embarrass us either. I'd rather drop down the board.

We are a national embarrassment no matter what. If we Bench cutler and then go out and win two games with Clausen it's even more embarrassing that we gave him $54, rolled with him for 14 weeks and then finally start winning when we bench him. I'd rather pick 7th than 13th-15th.

Oat23 · 18-12-2014 07:45PM

Press conference if anyone wants to listen to those two - http://www.chicagobears.com/live.html

padraig_f · 18-12-2014 07:50PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Press conference if anyone wants to listen to those two - http://www.chicagobears.com/live.html

Apparently Cutler will speak too.

"Marc Trestman, Jay Cutler, Jimmy Clausen and Aaron Kromer will meet the media at Halas Hall, in that order. #Bears"

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-12-2014 08:30PM

Oat23 wrote: »

We all thought we were doomed with McCown too. He might play well under Trestman with no pressure. He had an impossible job in Carolina and here we have only seen him in pre-season.

Not saying he's going to put up 300 yards. But he is capable of managing a game and beating the Vikings.

That's not possible. He's been in the league since 2006 and every GM/coach in the league knows what you get with him. Starting him and him getting injured is the only thing that would hurt his trade value.

We are a national embarrassment no matter what. If we Bench cutler and then go out and win two games with Clausen it's even more embarrassing that we gave him $54, rolled with him for 14 weeks and then finally start winning when we bench him. I'd rather pick 7th than 13th-15th.

We haven't a hope in hell of beating the lions, I just don't want us embarrassed on the field again with the opposition in hysterics on the sideline.

padraig_f · 18-12-2014 10:19PM

Just watched a bit of the press conference, gist I got from Trestman was it was his decision to bench Cutler and it was a football decision.

He was hardly gonna say 'I know I'm on my way out so I'm gonna stick it to 'em', but sounds like he made the decision alright, didn't come from Emery or ownership.

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-12-2014 10:29PM

padraig_f wrote: »

Just watched a bit of the press conference, gist I got from Trestman was it was his decision to bench Cutler and it was a football decision.

He was hardly gonna say 'I know I'm on my way out so I'm gonna stick it to 'em', but sounds like he made the decision alright, didn't come from Emery or ownership.

Well listening too Emery, nothing is ever his decision anyway.

alaimacerc · 20-12-2014 05:27AM

Oat23 wrote: »

We are a national embarrassment no matter what.

You're posting on a .ie site. Doesn't that by definition make any embarrassment international?

(What's the 'wry going on dark' emoticon?)

padraig_f · 21-12-2014 02:29PM

Interesting reddit thread from a guy who talked to a Bears scout:
Had a convo with a Bears scout...

Intrigued to see Clausen today. Thought he looked decent in the pre-season, but that was against vanilla defenses. Different story today against the Lions.

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 06:08PM

1st down screen to TE
2nd and 10 screen to WR
3rd and 9 run up the middle

What has happened to the playcalling this year?

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 06:24PM

Damn it, I'd actually forgotten it was on until I read this thread. Was all set up for a good evening. Just turned it on to see the lions going for it (of course why wouldn't they) and succeeding, then a touch down. I hate the bears right now.

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 06:33PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Damn it, I'd actually forgotten it was on until I read this thread. Was all set up for a good evening. Just turned it on to see the lions going for it (of course why wouldn't they) and succeeding, then a touch down. I hate the bears right now.

I have no idea how Bush even caught that. He caught it at the tip.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 06:39PM

Ok but I must admit, this drive has been enjoyable. Wilson doing nicely especially.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 06:43PM

Although that ending isn't exactly a shock. Why is Kyle Long out?

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 06:47PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Although that ending isn't exactly a shock. Why is Kyle Long out?

Hip injury.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 06:56PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Hip injury.

Well he managed to limit Suh a lot the last time so he'll be missed in situations like that, it's no wonder Clausen panicked there, wouldn't anyone.

Great int by vereen there, and the pressure from the D line on the whole drive has been good, but the secondary still being torched most I'd the time in the air. Still, did our coaches get balls for Christmas?

Love seeing fuller square off with his brother. I'm still enjoying a lot of our young guys, just need to get them real coaches. I'd also consider benching Bennett, his indiscipline has been a problem during the year (but he's on my fantasy team so hopefully they don't bench him).

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 07:22PM

OK that was just bananas.

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 07:24PM

Could have been 21-0 but it's 7-7. If the Lions stop making stupid errors they'll win by 3 TDs.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 07:27PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Could have been 21-0 but it's 7-7. If the Lions stop making stupid errors they'll win by 3 TDs.

I've liked the performance, but the usual thing when we do well in a half has been the opposition make some adjustments and we have no plan B. Wouldn't surprise me to see the same.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 07:30PM

Wait, NO, IT'S A TRAP!!! These hoors are already in the playoffs and they're gonna let us win so we get stuck with this shambles again next year. Those sneaky bastards.

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 07:49PM

Willie

One of the few bright spots looks like he's done for the year now.

Achilles injury. F*ck.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 07:49PM

Willie Young injury is a disaster, he's one of the absolute highlights of the D, totally gutting injury to get.

What has to happen for them to fix the surface at Soldier?

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 08:30PM

We're being handed this game. I hope the ownership understand that when Trestman pleads his case for a chance without Cutler.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 08:33PM

Oat23 wrote: »

We're being handed this game. I hope the ownership understand that when Trestman pleads his case for a chance without Cutler.

****ing Troy Aikman saying he'd like Trestman to have another shot. The whole night they've turned this into what they've always wanted, a narrative in which Cutler is the only problem with the Bears. It's a narrative that's so wrong it defies belief, but it's the story Fox want to sell.

Oat23 · 21-12-2014 08:37PM

There's the D we know and hate.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 08:38PM

You'd have to say looking at that terrible pass interference followed by pathetic run defence, it was Cutler's fault. One more year for trestman and the Tuckfence.

Realt Dearg Sec · 21-12-2014 09:00PM

I liked the fire from Clausen there after the helmet to helmet. There has, in fact, been a lot to like today. But the dropped passes have been shocking.

And that was really unfortunate. Still, we weren't embarrassed today, and we haven't cost ourselves draft position either. The lions know they've been in a game. That's all I wanted.

Oat23 · 22-12-2014 01:29AM

We'll be picking 7th if we just lose next week. Falcons & Giants both won.

How Bout Dem Bears?

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