Countering religious extremism in Ireland

Annasopra · 30-11-2014 01:31PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

The atheists are big into religious violence, just look at the north!

What does that mean?

shruikan2553 · 30-11-2014 01:40PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What does that mean?

It was a sarcastic comment about how atheists are big into extremism and violence when I'm sure most people living in this country know that the Christians do a great job of it to each other already

Riamfada · 30-11-2014 01:43PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

atheists are big into extremism and violence

Are they really?

Son Of A Vidic · 30-11-2014 02:00PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I see no difference between militant atheists and religious fundamentalists.

I agree, there is no difference. Both try to force their views down our throats and make grandiose pronunciations of how right they are. The world would be a safer and happier place if they would just fúck off and leave us all in peace.

Paco Rodriguez · 30-11-2014 02:12PM

How did all the atheists cope for all the amount of years that cross was up there? Why is this debate only happening now?
It's not like there is an atheist convention held on top of that mountain every year, and ye having to look at it all the time!

Calibos · 30-11-2014 03:44PM

Could just as easily have been some poor fellow who lost his wife and child in a car crash, doesn't approve of gods 'plan' for his family, still believes in god but now hates him, and is reminded of Gods 'plan' every time he looked out his kitchen window at the cross and decided to take an angle grinder to it. Atheists are the least likely to do something like this.

It's taken courthouse walls in the US being covered in symbols of Judaism, Islam, spaghetti monster and satanism etc for the Christians to finally cop onto the fact that if their symbols and 10 commandments are to be allowed on the courthouse wall, then they need to allow the satanists etc to put up theirs too. Invariably it's only then they quietly acquiesce to having theirs removed in order that they don't have to look at the satanists.

padd b1975 · 30-11-2014 03:59PM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

How did all the atheists cope for all the amount of years that cross was up there? Why is this debate only happening now?
It's not like there is an atheist convention held on top of that mountain every year, and ye having to look at it all the time!

Most of them probably weren't aware of it's existence up to a few weeks back.

Cantremember · 30-11-2014 04:09PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Most of them probably weren't aware of it's existence up to a few weeks back.

Lol. There are none of them atheists in Kerry. None of them type climb mountains.

The Diabolical Monocle · 30-11-2014 04:27PM

3.1 - And yay the non-god botherers did become more of a pestilence upon my harvest than the god botherer of days past.

AlekSmart · 30-11-2014 04:40PM

Cantremember wrote: »

It's on private land, doesn't seem to require planning permission and is completely silly. I hope a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, a Sikh, a Zoroastrian, a Buddhist, a Mormon, a Scientologist, a devotee of the spaghetti monster all buy land on Kerry mountains, maybe even Carantuhil. And they all put up giant symbols of their beliefs. The crowning glory would be a fertility cult with symbols of human genitalia. It could be a new theme park for Kerry, sales of Flat caps could soar and it would be an Irish Disneyland.

How about a giant Zebra ?...like the cows that appeared around the place a few years back..

Zebra's are cool,cos everything in Zebraville is black'n white...just like in the real world....('cept perhaps the Kingdom ?)

Paramite Pie · 30-11-2014 05:46PM

looksee wrote: »

It has to be replaced or the vandals have won.

I agree. I'm completely non-religious and I wouldn't normally advocate putting a religious symbol on a mountaintop but the principle of not letting the vandals win is far more important than my opposition to the cross itself. We can't establish a precedence of mob rule.

Paco Rodriguez · 30-11-2014 06:33PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Most of them probably weren't aware of it's existence up to a few weeks back.

That's my point. So why get all worked up about it? If you think someone is in the wrong and are oblivious/ don't want to change/ or are not in the wrong, just let them. They're not climbing the mountain anyway. Why stress over something that isn't relevant to their immediate lives?

padd b1975 · 30-11-2014 06:49PM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

That's my point. So why get all worked up about it? If you think someone is in the wrong and are oblivious/ don't want to change/ or are not in the wrong, just let them. They're not climbing the mountain anyway. Why stress over something that isn't relevant to their immediate lives?

It's the Liveline caller syndrome.

"Joe I haven't read the article/watched the programme, but it's a disgrace whatever it is".:rolleyes:

Badly Drunk Boy · 30-11-2014 08:46PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Private property or not it is still a national landmark and it doesn't seem right to have a big symbol right at the top of it only representing a certain demographic.

Just my opinion.

I don't think people really saw it as a religious symbol. I've seen interviews with people who have climbed Carrauntoohil, and they were saying that seeing the landmark of the cross gave them a spur, showing that they were nearly there.

stimpson wrote: »

I love the way people assume atheists did this. It could have just as easily been the People's Front of Judea.

All things considered, how do we not know that it wasn't gods will that it be cut down. Personally speaking, if I was God and people were putting up representations of the murder weapon used to kill my son I'd be pretty pissed off. I'd be smiting those people like there was no tomorrow. Think Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Ficton.

The group Atheist Ireland practically admitted to doing. They just didn't admit it for definite, being the cowards they are.

I'm an atheist, by the way.

bodice ripper · 30-11-2014 08:55PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think people really saw it as a religious symbol. I've seen interviews with people who have climbed Carrauntoohil, and they were saying that seeing the landmark of the cross gave them a spur, showing that they were nearly there.

The group Atheist Ireland practically admitted to doing. They just didn't admit it for definite, being the cowards they are.

I'm an atheist, by the way.

source?

stimpson · 30-11-2014 09:07PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

The group Atheist Ireland practically admitted to doing. They just didn't admit it for definite, being the cowards they are.

Let's sacrifice them to our God!!!!

Cmon - we did it all the time in the thirties.

fitzy24 · 30-11-2014 10:24PM

im big an mussel'y and can cut down anything
big hill no bother ;
cobwebs on the cave
no bother
clear dem right away
no bother
im; the angel grinder man

catallus · 30-11-2014 11:07PM

Does anyone actually know if there is/was any planning permission for the structure to be erected?

Any lawyer types know that if it were dismantled would such permission need to be re-applied for before it was resurrected, as it were?

Grayson · 01-12-2014 12:37AM

hfallada wrote: »

After a while religious symbols are no longer just religious symbols but an icon of an area. Like the statue of Jesus in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. With Brazil no longer being that Catholic, should the Jesus statue be removed? No as its the icon of the city.

Atheist removing these symbols are just taking their intolerance of religion to another level. Im not religious but Im not going to loss sleep over a cross at the top of a mountain. For a intercultural society, people need to be tolerant of each other. As secularism has failed in places like France. Where as in Catholic Quebec, the region didnt dilute its culture to integrate its immigrants. It remained Catholic and French speaking. It thought its heritage to newly arrived immigrants and as a result, its multicultural society has fewer issues than secular countries like France

Secularism failed in France? Has anyone told the French that they can start wearing burkas and put the religious crap back up on the walls in schools.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think people really saw it as a religious symbol. I've seen interviews with people who have climbed Carrauntoohil, and they were saying that seeing the landmark of the cross gave them a spur, showing that they were nearly there.

I don't think that means anything. Just because people said they recognised it doesn't mean it's not a religious symbol. I could put a 50ft giant day glo yellow cock in my front yard. Just because people can use it to determine their proximity to the cock, doesn't make it any less a cock.

bodice ripper · 03-12-2014 12:12AM

The plot thickens

http://www.newstalk.com/Footage-of-Carrauntoohil-cross-being-cut-is-released

Footage of the Carrauntoohil cross being felled has been released to the media and is now being examined by gardaí.

A video of the incident was sent to TheJournal.ie earlier today and shows an unidentified individual cutting the cross at the base with an angle grinder. The cross is seen falling later in the video.

The Journal reports that the footage was passed on to detectives in Kilorglin who said it a “new development” in the investigation.

catallus · 03-12-2014 12:14AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

The plot thickens

Shirley you mean the thicks plotten?

bodice ripper · 03-12-2014 12:29AM

catallus wrote: »

Shirley you mean the thicks plotten?

No, I wouldn't lapse into Dutch like that.

gctest50 · 03-12-2014 12:39AM

fitzy24 wrote: »

im big an mussel'y and can cut down anything
big hill no bother ;
cobwebs on the cave
no bother
clear dem right away
no bother
im; the angel grinder man

?

are you broken ?

lazybones32 · 03-12-2014 01:34AM

How fortunate we live in a Country where our current experience of extremism is someone cutting down a cross and others getting upset because it is put back up.

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 01:42AM

lazybones32 wrote: »

How fortunate we live in a Country where our current experience of extremism is someone cutting down a cross and others getting upset because it is put back up.

True. It could be raping children, covering it up and facilitating it's happening over and over again in order to protect the institution. That would be extreme. Or banishing pregnant young women to a life of slavery as expiation for their "sin". That would be religious extremism. Or selling children to adoption. Or getting derogations from anti discriminatory employment law for religious "grounds". No extremism like that here. No.

Cookie_Monster · 03-12-2014 01:44AM

wait, who owns the summit and why doesn't the public? That's mad Ted

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 01:48AM

Our God reigns

Its Only Ray Parlour · 03-12-2014 01:56AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

wait, who owns the summit and why doesn't the public? That's mad Ted

That was my first thought when I heard the mountain was private land. I didn't think it was possible to buy an entire a mountain, unless you paid the county council or government a shítload of money.

catallus · 03-12-2014 01:58AM

Why would the government own a mountain?

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 02:01AM

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

That was my first thought when I heard the mountain was private land. I didn't think it was possible to buy an entire a mountain, unless you paid the county council or government a shítload of money.

Are you serious. The entire country has been sold out. Where have you been. Yes, you missed it.

Countering religious extremism in Ireland

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