Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 12:48PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Sars are dire as is standard of cork club hurling. Ballyhea beaten by Lixnaw a dire result. SARS brutal in Munster for past few yrs. Courcey rovers beaten by Ballyduff in 2012 intermediate championship. 2 yrs out of 4 and cork intermediate champions beaten by Kerry teams. Nuff said .

Your own posts which had lot truth
Now do Me a favour get a look at last night's paper and read the article that try to falsely create this misperception that sarsfields are closer to an all ireland and actually yes wait for it not only good enough to won cork county but indeed munster next year all cause Kilmallock won Sunday
Now if you think I'm cheering for Kilmallock so that nonense is promoted I'm sorry not my style.

You agree that sarsfields are poor.
My point is we agree but the moral victory brigade will gras at any straw they can to say sarsfields are not that bad etc etc and Kilmallock winning is not good as all we hear sarsfields could beaten them.
Instead of the could have if. The maybee people should but won't ask the facts

Why senior cork intercounty player held to a point from play
Why a full back clearly in trouble was left at half time for another fifty minutes in the square
What there spread of scoring bar soft goals to porous Kilmallock defence was poor

So I think if you revaluate the whole situation you can see my side
I do agree that saying they be destroyed is harsh to be fair it is but look if ballyhale beat them well it would show that this side is not as great as there made out to be and cork hurling in club level is so far off the top elite level
I want what's best for cork and my pet hate I apologise in advance is moral victory nonense In county like cork gaa where I grew up in aera cork expected and demands to win all level.

Smith614 · 27-11-2014 01:14PM

You just get too excited when anyone disagrees with you. You compare Newtown with Kilmallock, Newtown came with 1 team and did well for few yrs. Kilmalllock have won munster titles with different teams. So Sars, Kilmallock, Cratloe, Thurles sars, ballygunner are all poor senior hurling teams. Is there any decent club hurling team in munster.?? . (Sars are not good enough to win munster, I agree and tiredness or no tiredness would not have beaten Cratloe.hopefully a team can emerge in Cork to carry the flag in munster.)
Moral victories are for minnows . The day we accept moral victories we are a minnow.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 01:36PM

Smith614 wrote: »

You just get too excited when anyone disagrees with you. You compare Newtown with Kilmallock, Newtown came with 1 team and did well for few yrs. Kilmalllock have won munster titles with different teams. So Sars, Kilmallock, Cratloe, Thurles sars, ballygunner are all poor senior hurling teams. Is there any decent club hurling team in munster.?? . (Sars are not good enough to win munster, I agree and tiredness or no tiredness would not have beaten Cratloe.hopefully a team can emerge in Cork to carry the flag in munster.)
Moral victories are for minnows . The day we accept moral victories we are a minnow.

Fair points I don't get too excited when when anyone disagree with me once itd backed up with fact

In fairness you said I insulted Kilmallock etc etc like red flag to a bull, in fairness course I was going to strongly debate my point

I have nothing against Kilmallock what I have an issue with is how their success is used as a blindfold in cork at times to paper over cracks
And you know me at this I despise moral victory nonense and you to be fair are the same

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 02:13PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/11/27/eddiemurphy/

Brilliant article by John horgan
Very similar to my own thoughts last night in lauding this guy with praise

Eddie Murphy I saw him coach specific drills, to me is a great great I mean great great coache the de la creme of coaches

Again cork have coaches
No disrespect to kerry hurling but we let him to kerry and disgraceful act by cork county board he was overlooked for cork jobs in the past mist recently cork minors when kenneally got it.
Fair play to john horgan saying he was overlooked
However I'd love if some day if the top kings in cork. We're asked why this genuine hurling absolutely genuis was overlooked for previous cork underage jobs and overlooked for poor candidates.

Blackrock I said it all last year that I had huge doubts in fact grave concerns about their current management but they must be credited for this bold ruthless courageous intelligent awesome,truly awesome I mean awesome appointment and yes it seemed outside county but it's not really in he's cork man and this guy will win county with blackrock but crucially for cork the Stephen Murphy, niall cashman, Joe longergan,Michael o halloran, Alan o Callaghan, cormack brothers the Kevin and Shane o Keeffe will improve tremendous under him and also if they get run cork 21 will grow and develop as hurlers under Hayes and irwin so at last at club and county they will have a culture to become better and some will play senior for cork
Blackrock won all round them at underage, and now have real real real I mean real hurling intelligent foresight analysis visionary detail of sublime excellence in cohesion and unity and a man that breeds through he's nostrils the work rate and hunger teams and honesty must havethat would make the hair stand on my head.

Last year rockies played as individual, they will now become a real real club team

This is brilliant for cork hurling and the likes them and Douglas and midelton and glen young teams coming up thank full sarsfields won't be winning next year
Now what would be the icing on the cake. The grand slam so to speak is if cork ccb met with cork referees and set mandate for tougher referring in cork with a direct tangible corrrect to other counties especially the kilkenny blueprint of referring.

A truly truly suprerb appointment for rockies but most importantly for the biggest club of all imo the greatest club of all imo the club of cork gaa.
Amen.

Smith614 · 27-11-2014 02:14PM

I agree, this"we nearly" won is bullshi*.

zetecescort · 27-11-2014 02:16PM

Lord Mayors cup fixtures, first rounds tomorrow night.

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/346975/Lord_Mayor_s_Cup_Hurling_Commences_Tomorrow_Night

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 03:21PM

zetecescort wrote: »

Lord Mayors cup fixtures, first rounds tomorrow night.

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/346975/Lord_Mayor_s_Cup_Hurling_Commences_Tomorrow_Night

Imo midelton should not be in it as timing is wrong
They are performing well in rice, white cups, Dean ryan harty so much on they don't need this with the Callaghan cup and harty cup also taking huge focus for them this imo no extra benefit to them adding games don't need

Few other top schools pulled out shows imo great idea it was it was poorly devised and timing of it not properly though out or communicated to cork school and it doesn't surprise me with who was running it
It's off to a poor start imo

Cu Baire · 27-11-2014 03:41PM

Disappointed in a poster who obviously has a great knowledge of all things hurling in Cork, Limerick and elsewhere.
Hoping for a team to lose so that another team don't get a false sense of their own ability seems small-minded and unsporting to me.
Surely hurling people should be hoping that the games are as competitive as possible.

I thought the Kilmallock Sars game was very good and either team could have won on the day.
I thought the Kilmallock Cratloe game was exceptional and either team could have won in normal time.

I think the Kilmallock Portaferry game will be competitive but Kilmallock should have better skill levels due to playing senior hurling in a stronger hurling environment over a long period of time.

I think either Portumna or Ballyhale will get to the final but I would not bet against a shock or two along the way in Galway or Leinster.
If Ballyhale in particular get to the final it is very hard to see them being beaten as in my opinion they have one of the best club teams ever. But all teams can be beaten on a particular day, even the great ones such as Birr, Newtown etc.
We all have our opinions and all players and teams have strengths and weaknesses so there should be no need to be condescending or insulting to other posters just because they see things differently.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 04:02PM

Cu Baire wrote: »

Disappointed in a poster who obviously has a great knowledge of all things hurling in Cork, Limerick and elsewhere.
Hoping for a team to lose so that another team don't get a false sense of their own ability seems small-minded and unsporting to me.
Surely hurling people should be hoping that the games are as competitive as possible.

I thought the Kilmallock Sars game was very good and either team could have won on the day.
I thought the Kilmallock Cratloe game was exceptional and either team could have won in normal time.

I think the Kilmallock Portaferry game will be competitive but Kilmallock should have better skill levels due to playing senior hurling in a stronger hurling environment over a long period of time.

I think either Portumna or Ballyhale will get to the final but I would not bet against a shock or two along the way in Galway or Leinster.
If Ballyhale in particular get to the final it is very hard to see them being beaten as in my opinion they have one of the best club teams ever. But all teams can be beaten on a particular day, even the great ones such as Birr, Newtown etc.
We all have our opinions and all players and teams have strengths and weaknesses so there should be no need to be condescending or insulting to other posters just because they see things differently.

Look it's a view that you is based on realism
Watch late late few weeks ago it will show you attuide of Brian o driscoll
Now before you judge read the article

I don't want to Kilmallock to win as yes cork will be lot poorer in club hurling for it
You want to accept failure and be fair quite understandable all things considered fair enough but cork don't doubt moral victory as many posters clearly don't either

I'm not here to annoy him and certainly not here for celebrity status if so I'd join big brother, I simply have no agenda but am truthfully realistic In my thoughts and my agenda is the exception cork gaa to be great again and not as other poster said with great respect to some minnows

This is cork after all.

And also I love the moral high ground

Please practice what you preach

Did you not make a start comment regards my writing style on the harty cup thread saying you got headache to read my post and as poster said that's more your problem as no one else had a problem

The same courtesy you preach you should allow me also
Thanks.

Iecrawfc · 27-11-2014 04:03PM

Cu Baire wrote: »

Disappointed in a poster who obviously has a great knowledge of all things hurling in Cork, Limerick and elsewhere.
Hoping for a team to lose so that another team don't get a false sense of their own ability seems small-minded and unsporting to me.
Surely hurling people should be hoping that the games are as competitive as possible.

I thought the Kilmallock Sars game was very good and either team could have won on the day.
I thought the Kilmallock Cratloe game was exceptional and either team could have won in normal time.

I think the Kilmallock Portaferry game will be competitive but Kilmallock should have better skill levels due to playing senior hurling in a stronger hurling environment over a long period of time.

I think either Portumna or Ballyhale will get to the final but I would not bet against a shock or two along the way in Galway or Leinster.
If Ballyhale in particular get to the final it is very hard to see them being beaten as in my opinion they have one of the best club teams ever. But all teams can be beaten on a particular day, even the great ones such as Birr, Newtown etc.
We all have our opinions and all players and teams have strengths and weaknesses so there should be no need to be condescending or insulting to other posters just because they see things differently.

The same poster came onto the limerick thread specifically to write off Kilmallock's chances and say they only beat Cratloe because they were tired! Some would say that is wumming! Didn't get the response he was looking for, Bad form in my book, if you can't comment on games and other teams without being insulting then you shouldn't bother...everybody has an opinion but to be trying to belittle a team that has just won a Munster title is a little over the top, especially a club team.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 04:15PM

Iecrawfc wrote: »

The same poster came onto the limerick thread specifically to write off Kilmallock's chances and say they only beat Cratloe because they were tired! Some would say that is wumming! Didn't get the response he was looking for, Bad form in my book, if you can't comment on games and other teams without being insulting then you shouldn't bother...everybody has an opinion but to be trying to belittle a team that has just won a Munster title is a little over the top, especially a club team.

No I did not and I don't wum
It was told to discuss limerick gaa matters that match do that thread
I mentioned it here as article In cork paper yesterday refencing it

I don't unlike you just do opions I back up it up
If you think I'm going to say any team has all ireland chance when they don't just cause people like yourself and won't see that's unlikely I'm sorry, I won't do that

In fact look again and some of your own said that team had no chance of winning the all ireland
I simply said that which even some have acknowledged that Cratloe had no chance in extra time due to tiredness
You want to get carried away with that fair enough.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 04:24PM

Blarney
James walsh blarney
Patrick. Buckley blarney
Paul Barry Murphy grenagh
Michael sheehan grenagh
Brian walsh blarney
Declan hannon blarney
Leon ahern blarney
Michael john shine blarney
Darragh mccnmara white church
Peter macsweenry grenagh
Barry dennehy blarney
James dinnen blarney
David Donovan white church
Conor power blarney

Subs
Michael o riordain grenagh
Aidan kelleher Whitechurch
Dylan o riordain blarney
Brian buckley grenagh
Aron cahill na piarssigh
Alex kiely grenagh
Ryan Duffy
Frank coutts o connor st Vincent
Brian o connor grenagh
Niall linehan white church
Eoin walsh grenagh
Jason o riordain white church
Cathal hegarty blarney
Gavin mullane blarney

Mticheatown
Coach Anthony Nash
Ian butler kildorrey
Killan roche ballygiblin
Sean o sullivan ballygiblin
Jordan sheehy glenroe
Lorchan finn ballygiblin
James Keating kildorrey
Jack coughlan gla nworth
James Conway fr sheehy
Cathal o sullivan ballygiblin
Joshua macken skeenarinky
George pendle ballygiblin
Dylan Kent kildorrey
Cathal Harrington kildorrey
Mark keane ballygiblin
Adrian English captain skeenarinky
Subs
Shane Connolly skeenarinky
Mathew Dawson furey ballygiblin
Cillain dollion ballygiblin
Shane Doyle ballygiblin
Kieran fox ballygiblin
John hunter kildorrey
Pj Keating kildorrey
Jack lewis ballygiblin
James mckenna skeenarinky
Padraig mcgrath glenroe
Fionn mcloughlin skeenarinky
Cathal o mahony
Darren o dwyer skeenarinky
Dylan o Gorman skeenarinky
Cathal walsh o grady kildorrey
Jesse walsh glanworth
Sean walsh ballygiblin
Tony Watson kildorrey
Colm whelton glanworth
Tomas Vaughan skeenarinky

Mitchelstowm 2-17 blarney 1-5

Yesterday

A great game and the score bit tough on blarney who never gave up. Lot closer than the score and they had superb resilient and grit and are credit to their school these young lad's In munster u16.5 munster c competition.
Mtichestown ist ever munster hurling title I think and for a predominantly football strong hold great for the school the club's the people and cork hurling in general they won

They were superbly coached , cohesion, organised, skillful prepared, composed played as a team and savage work rate with lots of fine hurling there a very good hurling team.

All team played brilliantly but mark keane full forward was very good Cathal Harrington , James Keating immense at centre back and from frees. Jack coughlan. Mahony who got a fine goal and lorchan finn and Nash will be delighted with keeper of Ian butler who was very composed and excellent puck outs all though

Blarney Michael john shine was very good, Peter macsweenry. Leon aherne, James walsh made brilliant saves all very good

Blarney can't be faulted, they just met a superb team but blarney fought til the end
There was jubilation at end when Adrian English lifted the cup with Anthony Nash looking on

Great to see a second munster 16 school title on leeside and a nice mix in one so far in East cork and Won with North cork.
A great day cork hurling

Its a c competition but it's great cork school won it and great for Mtichestown to promote hurling

Again any lesson learned is Good coaching overcomes history, in Nash got the great North cork school to win a munster title.

Iecrawfc · 27-11-2014 04:32PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

No I did not and I don't wum
It was told to discuss limerick gaa matters that match do that thread
I mentioned it here as article In cork paper yesterday refencing it

I don't unlike you just do opions I back up it up
If you think I'm going to say any team has all ireland chance when they don't just cause people like yourself and won't see that's unlikely I'm sorry, I won't do that

In fact look again and some of your own said that team had no chance of winning the all ireland
I simply said that which even some have acknowledged that Cratloe had no chance in extra time due to tiredness
You want to get carried away with that fair enough.

Read back what you wrote on the limerick thread, it's a bitter rant, no more no less, The only one getting carried away is you, not one person has said they thought kilmallock would win the all Ireland, everyone knows ballyhale or portumna are very strong, but kilmallock have come through limerick and Munster without being fancied by many, worthly of some acknowledgement, they may or may not win the ai, may even get done in the semi, that's not the point, the point is belittling and insulting kilmallock and their players is not on, is immature and should not go unchallenged. If you want to slag off cork teams go ahead but leave the pontificating out of it, I enjoy the analysis of up and coming players and the match reports but leave the other crap out of it like a good lad..

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 04:43PM

Iecrawfc wrote: »

Read back what you wrote on the limerick thread, it's a bitter rant, no more no less, The only one getting carried away is you, not one person has said they thought kilmallock would win the all Ireland, everyone knows ballyhale or portumna are very strong, but kilmallock have come through limerick and Munster without being fancied by many, worthly of some acknowledgement, they may or may not win the ai, may even get done in the semi, that's not the point, the point is belittling and insulting kilmallock and their players is not on, is immature and should not go unchallenged. If you want to slag off cork teams go ahead but leave the pontificating out of it, I enjoy the analysis of up and coming players and the match reports but leave the other crap out of it like a good lad..

Erra yeah

Read it again good lad

I clearly gave specific examples of match ups ye would struggle with
Now if you want to disagree with it go limerick thread and enlighten me how those match up if it's ballyhale can Kilmallock win them
I'll happily debate them with you but you won't as it simply won't be what you want to hear so you don't want to

But you see you kept quiet cause you cant tell me how they will win those match up

One final point
Read brilliantly written Gavin o mahony interview in Sunday paper where he accepted there was a moral victory in limerick
He said it one of yere own and he was bold enough to say it and deserves huge credit
I don't or have little interest to in posting in yere thread a lot as fella like you the moral victory do not critise to be honest I prefer elite posting in realism cork thread has
Work away on the limerick thread and why don't you do report of limerick underage recently challenge match that was actually very good In regards yere talents rather than waste my time here
Of course you know bout that your such a. Wisdom of knowledge.

And get one thing crystal clear I critise on field of play only

Did I or did I not clearly praise two Kilmallock lad's played inter firm Tuesday two days after

They deserve immense Credit and are credit to gaa with that ethos

I critised hurlers soley on their next opponent etc
Now reading by your posts you think anyone good club game clearly by names you mentioned over limerick thread for call up deserves limerick game time which as many over there dismissed them and you know that

I'm judging purely on the hurling field and I said it was good win but imo I cant say great as many posters said Cratloe were out on their feet and imo it's insulting to Cratloe to say ye beat them well and outhurlesd them which few limerick fans said

Tom Joad · 27-11-2014 04:54PM

Mod: Folks, can we please keep things civil here - things can be debated without getting personal or confrontational. Consider this a one and only warning.

Iecrawfc · 27-11-2014 04:57PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Erra yeah

Read it again good lad

I clearly gave specific examples of match ups ye would struggle with
Now if you want to disagree with it go limerick thread and enlighten me how those match up if it's ballyhale can Kilmallock win them
I'll happily debate them with you but you won't as it simply won't be what you want to hear so you don't want to

But you see you kept quiet cause you cant tell me how they will win those match up

One final point
Read brilliantly written Gavin o mahony interview in Sunday paper where he accepted there was a moral victory in limerick
He said it one of yere own and he was bold enough to say it and deserves huge credit
I don't or have little interest to in posting in yere thread a lot as fella like you the moral victory do not critise to be honest I prefer elite posting in realism cork thread has
Work away on the limerick thread and why don't you do report of limerick underage recently challenge match that was actually very good In regards yere talents rather than waste my time here
Of course you know bout that your such a. Wisdom of knowledge.

Last work on this as it's the cork gaa thread but Moral victories? Kilmallock did win the Munster club final so where's the moral victory, they did actually win didn't they??

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 05:03PM

Iecrawfc wrote: »

Last work on this as it's the cork gaa thread but Moral victories? Kilmallock did win the Munster club final so where's the moral victory, they did actually win didn't they??

My last word as I owe you the courtesy of a reply
Moral victory I said was Gavin o mahony interview Sunday which was before the game as he couldn't do interview game itself, that was after kilkenny beating limerick
Sarsfields which sparked the debate was said in cork paper closer to munster titles based on Kilmallock win
I simply said cork shouldn't do moral victories and as I'm a cork man with respect to limerick cork comes first and I want anyone but kilmallock win as cork hype will go in to overdrive and cork club hurling is poor and needs changing but won't if people think we're close to munster when as many cork lad's said sarsfields are not great but very good in cork club scene

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 06:00PM

Best of luck to Mtichestown cork Ross Corbett,who it was announced is joining the brilliant limerick u21set up strengths and conditioning coach with the brilliant john kiely and jimmy quilty and flavin who I praised many times in the past.
This will be serious limerick 21 team

Had a gym in tralee I think. Worked with kerry minors football years ago they were highly impressed with him etc, also done blitzes around the county for underage worked up north hugely involved development Camoige in non strong holds ulster counties etcantrim. Tyrone etc involved he's own club Mitchelstowm in football
He coached monaghan minor football team male had success

Another too top cork coach in a specific role in coaching

The very best of luck to him to and limerick u21 hurling, that team already had a huge chance with kiely and quilty flavin but now with him have a superb chance as they combination of hurling talent and a proven management.
He's I think working or has done with munster Camoige association in past.

solwhit12 · 27-11-2014 08:22PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cop on smith with your view I'm too harsh
I judge a win on its merits

Your the very one that said there is no excuse if pa Callaghan doesn't play hurling this year not realising it's entirely he's chooce soley If he wants to play or not he is a young lad don't forget

Don't preach to me about ethics or morality sunshine when you have not a clue what your talking about

Its quite reasonable for me and many to say it's better Kilmallock don't win as If so they do the fact cork some will live off moral victory land that could been us without looking at why they lost

Don't compare apples and oranges
Kilmallock haven't come close to newtown yet when they do fair point

Look Kilmallock beat a tired team in extra time even Joe mcgrath said lad's are exhausted
Now they will beat a poor ulster team in the semifinal
If they beat or come close to ballyhale fair point but they won't
When cork minors lost to Waterford I wanted Waterford not to win the all ireland simply as I said all we would hair was how cork lost point to all ireland champions and guess what pat kenneally got ringing endorsement by Bob Ryan on that and a
The 21 job

Your right about pa Callaghan that's his own choice but you blamed pat kenneally for him not playing u 21 So you have to retract that.

CORKDOUBLE · 27-11-2014 08:40PM

Footballers play Mary I in McGrath Cup ......and hurlers play U.L. in Waterford Crystal Cup ......let the games begin !!

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 08:43PM

solwhit12 wrote: »

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cop on smith with your view I'm too harsh
I judge a win on its merits

Your the very one that said there is no excuse if pa Callaghan doesn't play hurling this year not realising it's entirely he's chooce soley If he wants to play or not he is a young lad don't forget

Don't preach to me about ethics or morality sunshine when you have not a clue what your talking about

Its quite reasonable for me and many to say it's better Kilmallock don't win as If so they do the fact cork some will live off moral victory land that could been us without looking at why they lost

Don't compare apples and oranges
Kilmallock haven't come close to newtown yet when they do fair point

Look Kilmallock beat a tired team in extra time even Joe mcgrath said lad's are exhausted
Now they will beat a poor ulster team in the semifinal
If they beat or come close to ballyhale fair point but they won't
When cork minors lost to Waterford I wanted Waterford not to win the all ireland simply as I said all we would hair was how cork lost point to all ireland champions and guess what pat kenneally got ringing endorsement by Bob Ryan on that and a
The 21 job

Your right about pa Callaghan that's his own choice but you blamed pat kenneally for him not playing u 21 So you have to retract that.

I mentioned pa playing for seniors as in terms commitment wise
U21 is only four games the u21 was poor as clare proved
My point clearly was a good u21 coach better position to entice lad play when just had few games than senior
And look most bar yourself probably knew u21 set up was not going to do well this year

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 08:44PM

http://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/mcgrath-cup-football/

Tipp could beat cork if it's in tipp
In the football

http://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/mcgrath-cup-football/

Good hurling draw too handy warm up games in ul and cit as they will focus on fitzgibbon cup

Then clare v tipp in semi

Great test as tactical wise these two will take test cork where I feel limerick and Waterford wouldn't test cork tactical wise

Must take it seriously and get to final as it's great build up for kilkenny

Kerry won't care bout cup but tipp at least will provide a test and If they are want it badly enough Could beat cork in the football

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 08:48PM

solwhit12 wrote: »

Don't get him started he's bad enough.

Will you kindly retract that so please a comment towards myself when I was just doing normal debate two weeks so.

Rightwing · 27-11-2014 08:56PM

Smith614 wrote: »

TTM.... That's harsh and unfair the way u criticize and insult Kilmallock Saying you hope they don't win AI and are hammered by KK champions. It might be worth being gracious at times and congratulating them on their achievement. You did say they would not beat Sars or Cratloe. They have abundance of spirit and drive which is lacking in a lot of cork teams. Well done to Kilmallock and I don't think you would like if u had someone on here slating newtownshandrum or Sars after winning a munster title.
Eddie Murphy is a good and interesting appointment by Rockies. His teams always play good hurling and their touch, skill level will be top class. This trend of outside managers has a lot of clubs in the county/country on the verge of financial ruin. Clubs with no chance of winning anything are paying 80-120 euro per nite and they would be better off putting that money into some useful structure/infrastructure. The Barrs are a typical example of a club with a lot of home grown coaches but they are doing nothing for their own club. Like it or not but financial rewards are more important than working in ur own club.
My home club got rid of outside managers 3 yrs ago and are doing as well as can be expected due to lack of huge talent at moment. The club bank balance is healthier than paying it to an outsider. They have carried out a lot of improvemnets this yr on field, grounds etc with money saved.

Good reasoning there, I'll let Kilmallock do their talking on the pitch, and unless I'm mistaken, they are not doing too badly at all.

I'd be for any Munster club to beat any KK club, good for the game that we are narrowing the gap, and the more AIs that go around the better. Sarsfiled did cork hurling proud imo.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 09:00PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Footballers play Mary I in McGrath Cup ......and hurlers play U.L. in Waterford Crystal Cup ......let the games begin !!

What you make draw double

Smith614 · 27-11-2014 09:17PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Best of luck to Mtichestown cork Ross Corbett,who it was announced is joining the brilliant limerick u21set up strengths and conditioning coach with the brilliant john kiely and jimmy quilty and flavin who I praised many times in the past.
This will be serious limerick 21 team

Had a gym in tralee I think. Worked with kerry minors football years ago they were highly impressed with him etc, also done blitzes around the county for underage worked up north hugely involved development Camoige in non strong holds ulster counties etcantrim. Tyrone etc involved he's own club Mitchelstowm in football
He coached monaghan minor football team male had success

Another too top cork coach in a specific role in coaching

The very best of luck to him to and limerick u21 hurling, that team already had a huge chance with kiely and quilty flavin but now with him have a superb chance as they combination of hurling talent and a proven management.
He's I think working or has done with munster Camoige association in past.

Coached Effin in 2014. A strength and conditioning coach mainly.

Smith614 · 27-11-2014 09:19PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

solwhit12 wrote: »

I mentioned pa playing for seniors as in terms commitment wise
U21 is only four games the u21 was poor as clare proved
My point clearly was a good u21 coach better position to entice lad play when just had few games than senior
And look most bar yourself probably knew u21 set up was not going to do well this year

Pa has no college commitments and joinng the cork set up with no college to play with or train with would benefit him a lot. A good player who could have a lot to contribute.

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 09:34PM

Smith614 wrote: »

Coached Effin in 2014. A strength and conditioning coach mainly.

Effin this year?!

What you make him

CORKDOUBLE · 27-11-2014 10:14PM

Footballers will beat Mary I but I agree they then will be playing Tipp ....I know its only the McGrath Cup but Tipp will fancy putting down a marker against us ....the hurlers like you say will get the two warm up games with respects to U.L. and C.I.T. ...who ever they play in the semi final they will want to put a decent team with a view to the Kilkenny game . My god one season finishes ...the gaa neaver seems to have a closed season ....would we want any other way....

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-11-2014 11:49PM

Anybody see The excellent feeder schools supplement in the examiner today regards leaving cert statics final year, numbers of students doing the leaving cert

Now it's important to keep in mind that it's not hundred percent in lot fifth year and some in exceptional like ronan lynch, Michael cahalane and Evan sheehan, Brian mcgrath are not in leaving cert when first played harty cup years before that and also rare exception one may be finished leaving done repeat and went back to ard scoil. A clare minor and he eligble then to play
So numbers may be up but it shows a difference all the same
Now just suppose you include fifth year numbers in this I presume the number be similar to this year or is that correct assumption today make????
If it's similar lines then it shows how some cork schools are still behind numbers wise

But the numbers give an indication imo not sure exactly how much in we have to know exact way they were complied on a complete set of variables imo but I think the numbers shows how some cork schools have done brilliant this year and bridged the resources gap number wise imo by having top coaches who are very good coach made key difference imo

These are 2014 figures the years just gone
Harty cup teams likely or the in contention. To be in be in a Quater Final or in with a chance I picked out

Nenagh cbs 51
Thurles cbs 108
Ard scoil 121 rubgy also
Castletroy 195 they have rubgy also doon 123
Ag mhuire 55
Rochestown 104 football also corn u mhuire
Hamilton 61
Youghal 116
Colmans Fermoy 72
Midelton 96
Charville 41 did not make knock out stages

St flannans great hurling nursery
232
Caoimhins Shannon 136

In essence and again just from roughly readings it hamilton, Ag mhuire and colmans are doing superb given comparison others and charville with 41 are doing superb in I don't know last year's figure but still surely wouldn't changed that much yet got to a Harty cup knockout and in general won white cup kinnane cup just last week drew With the brilliant power house ard scoil in The ist year limerick schools final not sure when the replay is but it was meant to be a classic game

Charville loose players to Hazelwood in bout three or four cork lad's with Hazelwood u14. This year and it's not the school of cork minor this year Diarmuid buckley and cork development player Brian buckley
So that's understandably happens

The coaches like liam shorten, padraig gould, Tadhg lordan courcey then butler with charville,o donoughue with hammies but great work gdos like crowley now with Colmans , fahy the limerick man from oola with rochestown and longergan among more, tim collins, alwyin kearney, ronan dwayne in midelton have done great work amongst many others in the schools and that's why they must continue to get help from gdos and why numbers for gdos should be increased where necessary as some schools already face odds in numbers but with good coaching it can be about quality than just quantity in production of harty cup hurling which is actually minor hurling or close to it imo.

Always almagamating schools is an aera for real debate I'm not sure it's right for Hamilton as they gain even though small numbers gain valley rovers,newestown, odd courcey rovers players and they in three years back in it have done brilliant

At the same time almagamating is good for some like Waterford proved it
However limerick with west colleges who I think done well with year one may not continue with it next year as it's apparently not certain they will and they were In in it in 2012 and then didn't continue last year
Almagamating has it benefits and downside imo

Intersting know people's take on these numbers
Rochestown are flying in both elite football and hurling but you have to worry can they do both successfully with bout eight approximately duals lad's involved
Our lady's did manage to get both final or close it few years ago with Colin riordain
Very hard call for Douglas in they produce outstanding hurlers and footballers but can they win a Harty or corn mhuire dooing both

Quater Final is tremendous achievement in both this year and immense Credit due but the games get harder now and injures etc can deplete squads
This is difficult to manage in you cant really tell rochestown choose between one or the other when Douglas aera is a huge dual aera also

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