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Swimming for Tri Beginners
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That's good- gasping is the one thing that holds back progress. You should never be gasping in the water except in the final 50m of a tough swim race...career move wrote: »My breathing was better and I wasn't gasping for breath after one length!
Kick is one drill that will get better with practice. For the moment, speed doesn't matter in the kick, that will come. Focus on pointing your toes, breaking the surface with your heel, and "kick from your hips" rather than your knees.career move wrote: »The kick drills are tough even with a proper board. I felt like I was stuck in the same spot for ages and at one stage I thought I was actually going backwards.
Perfect- these 100's are about solid consistent speed. Its good you recognised you were going too fast. Better to stop and rest at 75 than to flounder the last 25 with terrible form. (Better still to slow down and do all 100m consistentcareer move wrote: »I started off the 100's at too fast a pace and could only manage 75m before I had to stop.
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rainbow kirby wrote: »I did feel though that my technique was falling away a little towards the end of the second swim 400 and very noticeably in my cooldown.
Form dips when the body gets tired- often with a dramatic loss of speed. Its to be expected at the moment. Over the winter we'll work on this, so that you will be confident in holding technique even when tired. Oftentimes you'll find yourself going faster if you "slow down and concentrate on form", which seems counter-intuitive but it works a charm
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Kurt Godel wrote: »Wk 1 - Day 3
200 easy
4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed)
4*400, alternate swim and pb, minute rest after each
200 easy
Keep an easy steady pace for these 400's- you should finish at a similar pace as you start. More experienced swimmers can try 6*400.
Did this today as
200 alternating backstroke and fc
4x50 k with board I'm feeling a growing antipathy towards that damn board
400 pb I like the pb. It feels like I'm floating on the water ..... but it's hard work on the arms
400 sw This felt horrible for the first 100 like I was sinking into a plughole
200 pb Was getting tired and I was going to leave it at just the 2x 400 but after I had a rest I felt a bit more energised
200 sw This was good
200 alternating backstroke and fc but mostly backstroke
That was a tough session for me. I felt a bit weak walking back to the
car but I'm happy that what I did I did well even if I did have to take a few sneaky breaks. And I'm finding it way easier to breathe 0 -
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Its pretty ok with a snorkel.Kurt Godel wrote: »The best way to fall in love with the Board... is to do 4*50k arms front, without the board. You'll never complain about the Board again!;) 0 -
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Get talking with the other swimmers and get a lifeguard onside if possible. 99% of the time I find people are more than willing to organise according to ability.
(or else mark "your" lane with a mesh bag full of swim toys, IM-branded waterbottle, and whiteboard with swim set on tripod...) 0 -
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Kurt Godel wrote: »Get talking with the other swimmers and get a lifeguard onside if possible. 99% of the time I find people are more than willing to organise according to ability.
(or else mark "your" lane with a mesh bag full of swim toys, IM-branded waterbottle, and whiteboard with swim set on tripod...)
And to think, I was just going to take a whizz at each end of the lane0 -
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User Name: bart86
Swim Experience: I learnt how to swim with my head into the water a year ago.
Can you breath bilaterally?: Yes
Current 100m time: 2:30 all out
Current 400m time: I dont know yet
Tri race experience: none
Open Water experience: none
Furthest distance swam: In one go 750m in a pool
Any Other Relevant details: My goal is to do few Triathlons next year.
Trying to swim with a high elbow. My arm tends to be straight and I feel that I am unable move forward.
I have tried with Armpit touch drill and I cannot manage to touch my left one. I have to forced it a lot.
I did the Wk 1 - Day 3
200 easy > Freestyle
4*50 k with board > *No issues*
2*400, with a PB easy. Without it, I finished tired..
I did not have time to keep going for the 2*400 left
200 easy > Backstroke, quite difficult as I have no technique.
Nice session! Thank you Kurt Godel for this!0 -
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I'm wondering the same thing Oryx and curious what the likes of interested, Kurt, Peter, et al think.
Personally I don't have the mobility to swim any other way than windmill/swing. That's how I swim even though I didn't realise it until I saw it on video :pac: Then again, calling what I do swimming is a stretch 0 -
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That arm pit tap is playng havoc with my shoulder but I'll persist.
Very tough to diagnose the issue online (and I'm not even going to try), but one thing to remember is that nagging shoulder pain isn't usually a good sign for swimmers. Bear in mind the drill is designed primarily to get a high elbow on the recovery phase- you can tap the shoulder if that helps instead, or just mimic a shoulder-tap. I can't see how any shoulder "havoc" would be stress related from this drill, more likely its a flexibility issue. Maybe try some arm swings etc beforehand to get warmed up and the shoulder muscles loose.
*Edit* make sure you are pulling with a bent elbow as described earlier. A straighter arm done with this drill could possibly lead to shoulder pain.
There are some stretch warm-up exercises below, and similar to be found on Youtube.
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Kurt Godel wrote: »Week 2 Programme[/B
Day 1
200 easy
4*100 as (25m pb, 25m kick (use your pb as a board), 25m pb, 25m kick, 15 sec rest)
2*50 fingertip
2*50 pb
2*50 armpit tap
2*50 sw
8*25 (breath every 3 strokes first 25, breath every 5 next 25, and repeat. Full rest/recovery for as long as you want at each wall. Do these very slow, very controlled, focus on exhaling smoothly and constantly)
200 swim down
(15 sec rest after each drill, all done at comfortable pace
I was sick for a few days last week so I only got 2 swims done. I'm a full week behind now. I did this today. Really enjoyed it and everything felt a lot easier than the last time. I didn't even have to take any sneaky breaks and did it all as above except I thought the 2 x 50 sw was 2 x 50 kick so I did that instead. And I thought the 8x 25 I was supposed to alternate 3 breaths then 5 breaths all the time. I guess I should have written it down 0 -
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User Name: strummer_ie
Swim Experience: Learnt as a child but took a long break until a few years ago when I started back in the pool. I had to relearn how to do the front crawl properly and especially the bilateral breathing, but persisted and achieved it. Currently an infrequent visitor to the pool but signed up for IM70.3 and determined to make great improvements
Can you breath bilaterally?: Yes
Current 100m time: Was 2:15 earlier in the year, but today is about 2:30
Current 400m time: Not sure, but would guestimate 10:00-11:00
Tri race experience: Took part in my first Tri in KOG last August and really enjoyed it. The 200m swim was tough and a big change from the pool, and my technique and breathing went out the window in the ensuing chaos....
Open Water experience: A few dips at Seapoint, but not far distance wise
Furthest distance swam: 1000m in the pool
Any Other Relevant details: Moved to swimming in a 50m pool last year as I got frustrated with the previous 25m pool with overcrowding and frequent reducing of lengths to 17m to facilitate classes. The initial swim in a 50m pool was very tough, but much more used to it now
Thanks Kurt for the programme !! And to KillianByrne for pointing me in this direction
I jumped into week 3 session 1 this morning and boy was it a struggle. In most part due to the lack of stamina from not being in the pool for a couple of months, but I felt pretty chuffed and proud by the end
As it was a 50m pool, instead of doing 4*100 of 25m pb, 25m kick, 25m pb, 25m kick, I instead did 4*100m of 50m pb and 50m kick. The length with just kicks took a lot longer then pb
I'll have to confess that I was running out of time before work so I had to shorten the 3*50 drills for 2*50 but will make it to the pool earlier in future.
Looking forward to the rest of the programme and monitoring the swim times:D
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Did this today. The whole session. Unadulterated for a change. My kick is getting much better. By that I mean that I was making steady progress across the pool and I didn't seem to be coming to a stop in the middle of the pool as on previous occasionsKurt Godel wrote: »Day 2
200 easy
4*50 k with board (rest at each wall if needed)
20*50m steady pace throughout, 5 sec rest after each 50m. Don't make the mistake of starting the first 50's too fast! (if you are struggling take 10 secs rest between each 50)
200m swim down The steady set was grand. I may have taken a slightly longer recovery on some of them 0 -
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Kurt Godel wrote: »Very tough to diagnose the issue online (and I'm not even going to try), but one thing to remember is that nagging shoulder pain isn't usually a good sign for swimmers. Bear in mind the drill is designed primarily to get a high elbow on the recovery phase- you can tap the shoulder if that helps instead, or just mimic a shoulder-tap. I can't see how any shoulder "havoc" would be stress related from this drill, more likely its a flexibility issue. Maybe try some arm swings etc beforehand to get warmed up and the shoulder muscles loose.
*Edit* make sure you are pulling with a bent elbow as described earlier. A straighter arm done with this drill could possibly lead to shoulder pain.
There are some stretch warm-up exercises below, and similar to be found on Youtube.
alternatively, the flip side of trying something thats hurting, try pointing opposite shoulder at bottom of pool (opposite to the one out of the water with high elbow)
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