Water meter protests

Foxhound38 · 17-11-2014 12:29PM

crusher000 wrote: »

Well if it was in the Independent it has to be true. It's a rag of a paper.

So they made the bomb threat up then, did they? Which source would it have to come from to have you believe it then?

Shrap · 17-11-2014 12:30PM

crusher000 wrote: »

Where were the Guards ? How many people were arrested ?.

They do a good job of minding the Irish Water meter installers and they did a good job here as well.

I'll ask you so. Is trapping a 60+ woman in her car for over 2 hours while threatening violence towards her acceptable to you?

gandalf · 17-11-2014 12:31PM

To be honest the longer these protests continue then the more opportunity that some thugs are going to get involved. I am not surprised at the weekends events. I condemn missiles being thrown at our politicians. I do separate those acts from the valid one of blockading them as a form of protest. It is quite obvious that they have tried to hard nose the whole Irish Water creating and charging through without proper preparation, timescales or thought on the future. This has now backfired on them. People are rightly frustrated and they are expressing that frustration in a very clear manner that cannot be misunderstood.

I fully believe that the leaked (forgive the pun) concessions from the Government in the press today if true will not be enough to dissipate the anger, if anything it will serve to show that the pressure is bearing fruit and will provide more momentum to push the advantage home.

The leadership of the water protests (if that's what you can call it) need to address the more aggressive elements of the protest movement, specifically the Eirigi thugs who seem to attach themselves to any protest out there. The more organisations or individuals like these are associated with the actual protest movement the more toxic it becomes to the average citizen. I certainly will not actively take part in protests that are strongly linked to them.

crusher000 · 17-11-2014 12:32PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So they made the bomb threat up then, did they? Which source would it have to come from to have you believe it then?

It was reported yesterday that a FG TD in Tuam was threatened along with his family to be kidknapped by a gang claiming to be the IRA. Like really come on.

Foxhound38 · 17-11-2014 12:36PM

crusher000 wrote: »

It was reported yesterday that a FG TD in Tuam was threatened along with his family to be kidknapped by a gang claiming to be the IRA. Like really come on.

So you believe that the bomb threat was made up... because Indo then?

SteM · 17-11-2014 01:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If it's ignored, why were they holding a Graduating cermony? That is doing something positive and was hijacked by this "peaceful" protest.

If you're telling me that Jobstown is not an ignored area then you've never been to Jobstown.

Phoebas · 17-11-2014 01:50PM

SteM wrote: »

If you're telling me that Jobstown is not an ignored area then you've never been to Jobstown.

Its a bit rich to be complaining that Jobstown is ignored when the Minister for Social Protection was there just yesterday giving out degrees at a college part funded by the Department of Social Protection.

How dare she go out there, not ignoring Jobstown.

SteM · 17-11-2014 01:53PM

AlanG wrote: »

There were plenty of income tax payers at the protests but many of them I have spoken to seem to think the if the protests are successful they will be better off. This is highly unlikely as the water and sewerage treatment will have to be funded from central tax instead of on a usage basis and income tax payers pay proportionally more into central funding than the average water user. Therefore if the protests get rid of Irish water then income tax payers will end up paying proportionately more for their water.

That's not what you originally said and it was not your original point. You were very clear in your initial post, classing it as We versus They.

We are already paying - the protestors just want income tax payers to foot the bill so they don't have to make a contribution to the running of the state.

When the fact is that this divide does not exist. Protesters are also income tax payers.

SteM · 17-11-2014 01:55PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Its a bit rich to be complaining that Jobstown is ignored when the Minister for Social Protection was there just yesterday giving out degrees at a college part funded by the Department of Social Protection.

How dare she go out there, not ignoring Jobstown.

If you want to be blind to the facts then so be it.

Harry Palmr · 17-11-2014 02:00PM

So then burned out water maintenance vehicles, threats to the Environment minister down the phone, minister held hostage (in effect) for 2 hours. The boyos are really creeping out to play right now.

crusher000 · 17-11-2014 02:02PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So you believe that the bomb threat was made up... because Indo then?

When I see headlines like I have attached here yes , A week that has shook republic to it's core as anarchy hits our streets. Really, this is sensational reporting at its highest. In order for a media source to be credible it's reporting should be factual, kept to the point and un bias. Ask yourself is this the way the Independent reports some of it's stories .

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/the-week-that-shook-republic-to-its-core-30748154.html

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 02:03PM

SteM wrote: »

If you want to be blind to the facts then so be it.

Which are.....?

crusher000 · 17-11-2014 02:05PM

gandalf wrote: »

To be honest the longer these protests continue then the more opportunity that some thugs are going to get involved. I am not surprised at the weekends events. I condemn missiles being thrown at our politicians. I do separate those acts from the valid one of blockading them as a form of protest. It is quite obvious that they have tried to hard nose the whole Irish Water creating and charging through without proper preparation, timescales or thought on the future. This has now backfired on them. People are rightly frustrated and they are expressing that frustration in a very clear manner that cannot be misunderstood.

I fully believe that the leaked (forgive the pun) concessions from the Government in the press today if true will not be enough to dissipate the anger, if anything it will serve to show that the pressure is bearing fruit and will provide more momentum to push the advantage home.

The leadership of the water protests (if that's what you can call it) need to address the more aggressive elements of the protest movement, specifically the Eirigi thugs who seem to attach themselves to any protest out there. The more organisations or individuals like these are associated with the actual protest movement the more toxic it becomes to the average citizen. I certainly will not actively take part in protests that are strongly linked to them.

If you want to know how I feel about the whole situation gandalf sums it up in words better than I ever could

chrysagon · 17-11-2014 02:05PM

Indo seems to enjoy over hyping the headlines.. anything to see a paper

Phoebas · 17-11-2014 02:06PM

crusher000 wrote: »

When I see headlines like I have attached here yes

This bomb threat has been confirmed by the Minister and reported by a number of different media outlets.

You are utterly delusional if you think this it was made up.

mister gullible · 17-11-2014 02:14PM

Originally Posted by Davarus Walrus View Post
How are you getting ****ed over? You live in a prosperous and peaceful Western social democracy. Time to put away your auld Che t-shirt and Rage Against The Machine albums, and recognise that change comes about through pragmatism and compromise, not lawless thuggery masquerading as protest.

QUOTE=niallo27;93069068]What change though. What had ever changed in this country.[/QUOTE]

Ah now I'm confused: I agree with both posters..

Cantona's Collars · 17-11-2014 02:16PM

All this talk of the bomb threat,has anybody confirmed that the caller identified herself as part of an anti-water tax group? I'm sure minister's offices have to deal with crank calls on almost a daily basis.Just because it's in the middle of protests there's hysteria.

Galway K9 · 17-11-2014 02:18PM

If not already posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzY43MrlwRg

gandalf · 17-11-2014 02:18PM

Phoebas wrote: »

This bomb threat has been confirmed by the Minister and reported by a number of different media outlets.

You are utterly delusional if you think this it was made up.

I have no doubts that a phone call was made, polarised protests then to draw the crazies out big time.

Phone threats aren't new, Reilly was subjected to one last year where he was threatened with his house being burnt down with his wife in it. Whilst I disagree with the Anti-Choice brigade I have the maturity to conclude that the person who made that threat did not represent the majority of them.

I assume you will have the maturity to realise that the crazy or thug who made the call to Alan Kelly's office does not represent those of us who disagree with the Governments botched attempt at introducing additional Water Charges.

hatrickpatrick · 17-11-2014 02:18PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

How are you getting ****ed over? You live in a prosperous and peaceful Western social democracy.

I'm being asked to pay for government cronies to receive inflated wages for pushing paper around, under the guise of paying for water.
Regardless of how rich or poor I am, this is unjust.

crusher000 · 17-11-2014 02:19PM

Phoebas wrote: »

This bomb threat has been confirmed by the Minister and reported by a number of different media outlets.

You are utterly delusional if you think this it was made up.

Maybe genuine, but coming from a ministers mouth doesn't make it a truth. Delusional if you believe everything they say. media will then of course report it.

BoJack Horseman · 17-11-2014 02:21PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm being asked to pay for government cronies to receive inflated wages for pushing paper around, under the guise of paying for water.
Regardless of how rich or poor I am, this is unjust.

What the hell are you doing paying any tax then?

All tax is unjust if people assume its wasted.

Shiraz 4.99 · 17-11-2014 02:24PM

Their only option now is to scrap the idea totally, it's crazy that this has been the straw that broke the governments back but so be it.
From a revenue raising point of view it would have been far easier to stick a point on VAT or leave the higher rate of PAYE alone.
They should press ahead with the meters, give everyone a fair allowance & say you don't pay a penny unless you break your allowance.

Their frustrated that they can't get water liability off their balance sheet to raise the warchest for the next budget.
Gotta buy the election somehow & this was key to that.

In Lonesome Dove · 17-11-2014 02:39PM

Galway K9 wrote: »

If not already posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzY43MrlwRg

I saw the video last night and passed my phone to my sister so she could look at it. We pressed play so many times each.

This is absolutely sickening and shocking. One garda already had that woman under control and restrainted and the other cop wearing the yellow jacket came racing up along the right hand side of the car, around the front of the car and grabbed the woman and flung her. I thought she was flung to the ground until I read boards and it was a pillar or something. What that cop did grabbing the woman from the garda who had her under control and throwing her, there was no excuse for that. Throwing her as if she was a piece of trash.

Spanish Eyes · 17-11-2014 02:47PM

Rings of steel next for any politician going anywhere. Is that what we are facing now because some muppets overstep the line when "peacefully" protesting.

Sorry for that girl, but honestly, why was she heading where she shouldn't have been going.

I'm all in favour of peaceful protest. Stand there, chant, show the placards, rant, but if you insist on doing that kind of thing you will be moved or thrown away.

I do hope she is ok. But honestly, if this were another EU country the cops would not put up with it at all. And the outcome could have been much worse.

People have to accept that there is a boundary in protest that you do not cross, or there will be consequences.

I do not ever want to be associated with this kind of protest. Ever. It is over the top and provokes a response like this.

Whether people agree with me or not, I don't really care, but this is getting out of hand now, and may turn dangerous for all concerned.

The Gardai in fairness have been very restrained. It is counter productive to be otherwise. This incident was uncalled for I agree, but if the woman was protesting peacefully, this wouldn't have happened.

Edit... thanks to poster Phoebas below, here is a protester at the same gig from another perspective.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/-30749804.html

chrysagon · 17-11-2014 02:48PM

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

I saw the video last night and passed my phone to my sister so she could look at it. We pressed play so many times each.

This is absolutely sickening and shocking. One garda already had that woman under control and restrainted and the other cop wearing the yellow jacket came racing up along the right hand side of the car, around the front of the car and grabbed the woman and flung her. I thought she was flung to the ground until I read boards and it was a pillar or something. What that cop did grabbing the woman from the garda who had her under control and throwing her, there was no excuse for that. Throwing her as if she was a piece of trash.

She should go the official route and make a complaint, and ensure it isnt swept under the carpet!

Streetwalker · 17-11-2014 02:49PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhidsnsnkfmh/

Now they are whining? Feck off

Streetwalker · 17-11-2014 02:52PM

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

I saw the video last night and passed my phone to my sister so she could look at it. We pressed play so many times each.

This is absolutely sickening and shocking. One garda already had that woman under control and restrainted and the other cop wearing the yellow jacket came racing up along the right hand side of the car, around the front of the car and grabbed the woman and flung her. I thought she was flung to the ground until I read boards and it was a pillar or something. What that cop did grabbing the woman from the garda who had her under control and throwing her, there was no excuse for that. Throwing her as if she was a piece of trash.

It's assault plain and simple. Being totally ignored by main stream media today also it's all about a minister stuck inside her car for 2 hrs god love her. I guess if you aren't part of the establishment the police force of the state can do what they want.

no_coverage · 17-11-2014 02:53PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

He was elected to the Dail. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a jumped-up little arsehole who loves the type of thuggery that took place on Saturday. Joan Burton is 10 times the socialist he will ever be. Because she has protected the vulnerable while being part of a Government who had to deal with extraordinary financial circumstances. Murphy believes in paying for nothing and having everything ran by the state. A complete spoofer.

murphy is entitled to believe in the principal of a centrally planned economy and he does have a mandate , I think his ideas are bonkers , I also think many people who are getting behind him have no real understanding of what kind of country the likes of paul murphy and the AAA want

it would most likely lead to a more equal society but it would without question lead to most people having a very serious reduction in NET worth and lifestyle

equality and prosperity are two very different things

Augmerson · 17-11-2014 02:55PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The Gardai in fairness have been very restrained. It is counter productive to be otherwise. This incident was uncalled for I agree, but if the woman was protesting peacefully, this wouldn't have happened.

The Gardai have no choice but to be restrained, if they get heavy handed they'll lose. And it would play right into the hardcore element of the anti-Irish Water protests.

When I remember how Gardai behaved out in Mayo and compare it to this. Gardai had no problem being heavy handed, shoving people out of the way. They even videotapped people. They'd be laughing at people the whole time. What's happening now is in complete contrast. They are afraid everything will go against them.

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