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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #2942
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,357 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    LookingFor wrote: »
    You're saying Joan Burton should not have gone to Jobstown yesterday.

    I do disagree with that. She was invited to a function, she showed up as requested.

    If you're not saying that she should co-operate with the idea of 'no-go' areas that tell me what you do mean.

    She is not the minister for Education or employment. I do not believe she was invited. I believe the group asked for someone to come. The pr advisors at the top level chose joan.

    Its obvious what's going on.


  • #2943
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Smidge wrote: »

    You think its right that water charges can be taken from people in receipt of SW and who are at the lowest rung of our pay scale even if they are against water charges?*

    If they are against electricity charges or paying for food, should they not be charged for those either?

    The point is that everyone pays for their own usage, just like other utilities and its not just taxpayer funded.


  • #2944
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Presumably it means a good chunk of the protesters will now be satisfied and abandon the protest? I seem to remember a few on the thread whos issue seemed to be just around giving a ppsn to IW.

    Hard to say.
    The measures to be announced next week might satisfy a lot of the protesters and more of them will be turned off by the scenes from yesterday and other protests in Coolock and elsewhere.
    On the other hand, the protest has grown bigger than the water issue alone and into a more general anti austerity protest.


  • #2945
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    freddiek wrote: »
    there is so much class-bias evident in the comments about yesterday's events. Tracksuits, scum, hoodies and the usual shyte being bandied about.

    on RTE as well.

    Is this not class bias?

    freddiek wrote: »
    its ludicrous to expect a protest in Jobstown to not be slightly different to a protest in Foxrock.


  • #2946
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    freddiek wrote: »
    there is so much class-bias evident in the comments about yesterday's events. Tracksuits, scum, hoodies and the usual shyte being bandied about.

    on RTE as well.

    ... and, again, what has that got to do with your claim that people don't want peaceful protests to be allowed?


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  • #2947
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Stupid people get angrier a lot faster than smart people.


  • #2948
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    listermint wrote: »
    Sure fire you dont have a grasp of the topics.

    Its blatant that you assume that this a single issue item

    Lots of people have stated that they have single issues. A fair few at least implied that the PPSN was their issue.


  • #2949
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Phoebas wrote: »
    On the other hand, the protest has grown bigger than the water issue alone and into a more general anti austerity protest.
    That's it. Personally I don't think the PPS numbers were ever a real issue.


  • #2950
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    listermint wrote: »
    She is not the minister for Education or employment. I do not believe she was invited. I believe the group asked for someone to come. The pr advisors at the top level chose joan.

    Its obvious what's going on.
    Where do you get this fantasy from?


  • #2951
    freddiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭freddiek


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Is this not class bias?

    no, its reality.

    people at the top end of the food chain compared to those at the bottom.

    if the level of anger were the same and not at the toxic level we saw yesterday, something would be very wrong.


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  • #2952
    Chance The Fapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Chance The Fapper


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Does anyone have a list of some of the board members already on massive pensions or the like, who shouldn't be there? Any links would be appreciated


  • #2953
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If they are against electricity charges or paying for food, should they not be charged for those either?

    The point is that everyone pays for their own usage, just like other utilities and its not just taxpayer funded.

    Exactly. EVERYONE pays for their own usage. So if a person on SW doesnt pay their electricity. it gets cut off. Simple. The same as if people who work dont pay their electricity. Equality.

    You are making my point for me.
    No one section of society, working or not, should be targeted.


  • #2954
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    That's it. Personally I don't think the PPS numbers were ever a real issue.

    Yeah - I never quite got it myself.


  • #2955
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    I don't understand this mentality of blaming Bruton for going there. It's not like she went to a protest looking for trouble. She was invited to a graduation and it was the mob who followed her there and caused all the trouble, including disrupting the graduation ceremony. The fact that people like listermint have resorted to victim blaming to try and save face is truly pathetic and a very bad reflection on the anti-meter groups. Peole have asked why people in favour of water meters aren't out marching. What's the point? The anti-meter groups are destroying their own movement.


  • #2956
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    freddiek wrote: »
    no, its reality.

    people at the top end of the food chain compared to those at the bottom.

    if the level of anger were the same and not at the toxic level we saw yesterday, something would be very wrong.

    The ability to pay is only one issue that people have raised. Right2water's about us section says their issue is that water is a human right, so there should be no shortage of affluent people having their human rights violated and therefore angry rich people.


  • #2957
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The point is that everyone pays for their own usage, just like other utilities and its not just taxpayer funded.

    That's not what's going to happen though, is it?
    A household with say 6 adults will pay the same as a household with 2.
    One's subsidising the other.
    Plus, €200 per household will bring in around €400 million. 1/3rd of the €1.2 billion a year they said they need.
    The figures don't add up, general taxation will make up the shortfall, i.e paying twice.
    I can tell you now that IW won't get one cent off me, well other than the percentage they're given from my contribution to general taxation.


  • #2958
    LookingFor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    listermint wrote: »
    She is not the minister for Education or employment. I do not believe she was invited. I believe the group asked for someone to come. The pr advisors at the top level chose joan.

    Its obvious what's going on.

    Asking for someone to come is an invite. She's the Tanaiste, it's not irrelevant for her to attend functions outside of her own portfolio.

    You still haven't answered my question though. You take offence to people misinterpreting you but you talk in vague terms and questions. What exactly are you saying? That we have no-go areas for people and on their own head if they cross that?


  • #2959
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Smidge wrote: »
    Exactly. EVERYONE pays for their own usage. So if a person on SW doesnt pay their electricity. it gets cut off. Simple. The same as if people who work dont pay their electricity. Equality.

    You are making my point for me.
    No one section of society, working or not, should be targeted.

    Whos being targeted?


  • #2960
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    That's not what's going to happen though, is it?.

    It would if everyone had accepted a fair system of metering where possible.


  • #2961
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I don't understand this mentality of blaming Bruton for going there. It's not like she went to a protest looking for trouble. She was invited to a graduation and it was the mob who followed her there and caused all the trouble, including disrupting the graduation ceremony. The fact that people like listermint have resorted to victim blaming to try and save face is truly pathetic and a very bad reflection on the anti-meter groups. Peole have asked why people in favour of water meters aren't out marching. What's the point? The anti-meter groups are destroying their own movement.

    I didn't see any footage of them disrupting any ceremony? I did see some of the graduates out protesting with them after the ceremony though.


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  • #2962
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Oh Phil Hogan where art thou? Come back, the cabinet needs you for protection.:pac:


  • #2963
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,633 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »
    I didn't see any footage of them disrupting any ceremony? I did see some of the graduates out protesting with them after the ceremony though.

    Something for their CV's.


  • #2964
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Something for their CV's.

    ...


  • #2965
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Something for their CV's.

    That's a pathetic slur.
    Withdraw that remark sir.


  • #2966
    freddiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭freddiek


    no wonder the bankers, politicians and Church were able to get away with screwing the cowed Irish for so long.

    such are the levels of obsequiousness and sheep-mentality displayed by quite a number of contributors.


  • #2967
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Whos being targeted?

    Ah c'mon.
    If the water charge is taken directly at source from one section of of society(whether that be from a SW payment or from your wages is irrelevant) that is one section of society being targeted. I'm sure you dont need me to spell that out any clearer and that you are purposely being obtuse.


  • #2968
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    That's a pathetic slur.
    Withdraw that remark sir.

    I wouldn't mind him, he just can't stomach the fact that not everyone that protested is a ne'er do well scrounger :)

    Says more about his own character than anybody else's, really.


  • #2969
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Smidge wrote: »
    Ah c'mon.
    If the water charge is taken directly at source from one section of of society(whether that be from a SW payment or from your wages is irrelevant) that is one section of society being targeted. I'm sure you dont need me to spell that out any clearer and that you are purposely being obtuse.

    who is it being taken directly at source from?

    People had issues with giving their PPSN's to IW so the DSP will handle it. I didn't see any suggestion of it being taken at source, not that I'd have issue with it.

    It wouldn't be one group getting targeted anyway. SW recipients would have it taken from their SW, PAYE workers could have it deducted from their wages and self employed could be done through tax returns. That covers most households. Who's getting singled out?


  • #2970
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    who is it being taken directly at source from?

    Now you know as well as I do that the above posts were in relation to the post about the DSP using PPS numbers to take the charge. I never said it HAD happened. I said it is wrong and should not be done.
    I can't be bothered playing silly beggars tbh


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  • #2971
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    listermint wrote: »
    She is not the minister for Education or employment. I do not believe she was invited. I believe the group asked for someone to come. The pr advisors at the top level chose joan.

    Its obvious what's going on.

    Here's what the An Cosan boss actually said about Burton. A rather different story to your fantasy.
    Liz Waters wrote:
    I just wanted to let people know it has been a fabulous day for the students and it is a pity it is overshadowed by other things. The Tanaiste was a great guest – she got a warm reception.

    “The Department of Social Protection funds a number of courses we provide and I want to acknowledge the Tanaiste for taking the time to come out.

    “It would have been very easy for her to cancel at the last minute but she
    came out and was out guest of honour which is something we are celebrating.

    “She was very gracious. Students were delighted she was present.


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