**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

howiya

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Seems to me that it is largely the political classes that find yesterdays events unacceptable. How dare the people rise up...

ThisRegard

LookingFor wrote: »

Paul Murphy has some gall this morning.

I guess none of the stuff documented in these videos happened at his protest. Nope. No responsibility whatsoever.

All photo shopped or faked.

Guy:Incognito

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Tinkersbell wrote: »

What first post?
What are you on about?

What is it you think the conversation is about?

Because I didn't mention the name of the paper in the post you quoted so you must know it's stemming back to the story posted about the woman and iw looking up her address on Google earth.

You saw it alright because the first reply was yours asking if the curry shop were asking you to sign up for water, which implies your issue was with IW, no mention of the sindo.

EazyD

I agree with metered water charges

LookingFor wrote: »

Saying it was three isolated incidents suggests you think the rest outside of those incidents was a picnic.

It was far from it. Those incidents were reflective of the tone of the event.


Your twisting what I said and meant to suit your argument, poor effort.

ThisRegard

howiya wrote: »

Seems to me that it is largely the political classes that find yesterdays events unacceptable. How dare the people rise up...

Well that's nonsense, just look at twitter for one example to disprove this.

LookingFor

listermint wrote: »

Where you there?



Thought not

I guess everything we've seen is unrepresentative.

Strange that people who were on Paul Murphy's side were so quick to fill youtube with these videos - proudly! - when they were so unrepresentative of the atmosphere and events yesterday.

These things happened, both on and off Murphy's watch. I don't care if everything outside these videos was rainbows and sunshine. There's enough there. The way he is responding is poor.

EazyD wrote: »

LookingFor wrote: »

Saying it was three isolated incidents suggests you think the rest outside of those incidents was a picnic.

It was far from it. Those incidents were reflective of the tone of the event.


Your twisting what I said and meant to suit your argument, poor effort.

Perhaps you can be more explicit about what you meant rather than leaving people to infer why you're highlighting the events as 'isolated', if not to diminish them.

Phoebas

LookingFor wrote: »

Saying it was three isolated incidents suggests you think the rest outside of those incidents was a picnic.

It was far from it. Those incidents were reflective of the tone of the event.

Joan Burton also mentioned people spitting at the Gardai and Katherine Zappone said there was an air of 'intimidation and menace'.

I don't think the vast majority of peaceful protesters would want to be associated with any of that. Unfortunately there is a small element on social media who just can't bring themselves to admit that this got a bit out of hand.

freddiek

some of our contributors would be happier in North Korea. there you get total deference to police and public officials.

No protests allowed.

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Apologies if this was posted already

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-water-to-be-stopped-from-collecting-pps-numbers-charge-to-be-capped-at-200-651189.html

It is reported Irish Water is to be stopped from collecting PPS numbers, and that water bills will be capped for three years.

As the Government tries to address public anger and concerns over water charges, the Sunday Times reports that responsibility for collection of PPS numbers will be handed to the Department of Social Protection.

EazyD

I agree with metered water charges

LookingFor wrote: »

I guess everything we've seen is unrepresentative.

Strange that people who were on Paul Murphy's side were so quick to fill youtube with these videos - proudly! - when they were so unrepresentative of the atmosphere and events yesterday.

These things happened, both on and off Murphy's watch. I don't care if everything outside these videos was rainbows and sunshine. There's enough there. The way he is responding is poor.

EazyD wrote: »

Perhaps you can be more explicit about what you meant rather than leaving people to infer why you're highlighting the events as 'isolated', if not to diminish them.

What I said was perfectly coherent, perhaps you can tone down on the presumptions and applying your own meanings to what I've said.

Phoebas

freddiek wrote: »

some of our contributors would be happier in North Korea. there you get total deference to police and public officials.

No protests allowed.

That's just nonsense. Nobody is saying that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

My name is URL wrote: »

Apologies if this was posted already

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-water-to-be-stopped-from-collecting-pps-numbers-charge-to-be-capped-at-200-651189.html

Who says protests don't work?
Now we need to keep, indeed increase the pressure, until IW is folded up and consigned to enda's brainfart bin.

LookingFor

freddiek wrote: »

some of our contributors would be happier in North Korea. there you get total deference to police and public officials.

No protests allowed.

I went out on the day of national protest.

I support actually peaceful protest, non-compliance in payment, all of that. I belong to no political party and my voting record is all over the place in terms of party and independent support.

What happened yesterday was quite different to all that. Paul Murphy is kidding himself if he unapologeticly thinks this is a norm for 'peaceful protest'. If he'd only admit that things got out of hand and that it could have been managed better and with more sensitivity to the local likelihood of confrontation with the police, I'd be FAR less critical.

Guy:Incognito

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Phoebas wrote: »

That's just nonsense. Nobody is saying that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed.

Its the definition of peaceful protest that some have issue with. Some people are of the opinion that chanting "peaceful protest" means everything that happens is then magically peaceful.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

That's just nonsense. Nobody is saying that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed.

Quite the contrary many on here prefer people to get back in their box. Continue to pay up and ask nothing of what's going on at the top level of governance.


Back in your boxes

freddiek

Phoebas wrote: »

That's just nonsense. Nobody is saying that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed.

its ludicrous to expect a protest in Jobstown to not be slightly different to a protest in Foxrock.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

LookingFor wrote: »

I went out on the day of national protest.

I support actually peaceful protest, non-compliance in payment, all of that. I belong to no political party and my voting record is all over the place in terms of party and independent support.

What happened yesterday was quite different to all that. Paul Murphy is kidding himself if he unapologeticly thinks this is a norm for 'peaceful protest'. If he'd only admit that things got out of hand and that it could have been managed better and with more sensitivity to the local likelihood of confrontation with the police, I'd be FAR less critical.

Yet you are at pains not to cristise joan and her well paid pr advisors to go there in the first place.

Have I got that right ya?

LookingFor

listermint wrote: »

Yep you are at pains not to cristise joan and her well paid pr advisors to go there in the first place.

Have I got that right ya?

I should criticise someone for going somewhere? What?

freddiek wrote: »

its ludicrous to expect a protest in Jobstown to not be slightly different to a protest in Foxrock.

Exactly, but there seemed to be little in the planning to account for that.

Phoebas

My name is URL wrote: »

Apologies if this was posted already

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/irish-water-to-be-stopped-from-collecting-pps-numbers-charge-to-be-capped-at-200-651189.html

Giving the DSP the responsibility for collecting the PPS numbers seems like a sensible idea although it'll probably add a layer of additional bureaucracy and it'll probably mean that Irish Water will have to share their primary identifier with the DSP, which probably opens up another, smaller, can of worms.

Smidge

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Who says protests don't work?
Now we need to keep, indeed increase the pressure, until IW is folded up and consigned to enda's brainfart bin.

Phoebas

listermint wrote: »

Quite the contrary many on here prefer people to get back in their box. Continue to pay up and ask nothing of what's going on at the top level of governance.


Back in your boxes

I haven't seen anyone saying that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed.

Guy:Incognito

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Phoebas wrote: »

Giving the DSP the responsibility for collecting the PPS numbers seems like a sensible idea although it'll probably add a layer of additional bureaucracy and it'll probably mean that Irish Water will have to share their primary identifier with the DSP, which probably opens up another, smaller, can of worms.

Presumably it means a good chunk of the protesters will now be satisfied and abandon the protest? I seem to remember a few on the thread whos issue seemed to be just around giving a ppsn to IW.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

LookingFor wrote: »

I should criticise someone for going somewhere? What?



Exactly, but there seemed to be little in the planning to account for that.

You clearly know what I'm talking about don't have a poor attempt at ridicule. It lowers your form of argument

Phoebas

freddiek wrote: »

its ludicrous to expect a protest in Jobstown to not be slightly different to a protest in Foxrock.

What has that got to do with your mad claim that people don't want protests to be allowed?

ThisRegard

freddiek wrote: »

some of our contributors would be happier in North Korea. there you get total deference to police and public officials.

No protests allowed.

You have a basic issue with understanding what was wrong with yesterday's "protest".

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

What has that got to do with your mad claim that people don't want protests to be allowed?

Back in their boxes.

LookingFor

listermint wrote: »

You clearly know what I'm talking about don't have a poor attempt at ridicule. It lowers your form of argument

You're saying Joan Burton should not have gone to Jobstown yesterday.

I do disagree with that. She was invited to a function, she showed up as requested.

If you're not saying that she should co-operate with the idea of 'no-go' areas that tell me what you do mean.

Smidge

Phoebas wrote: »

Giving the DSP the responsibility for collecting the PPS numbers seems like a sensible idea although it'll probably add a layer of additional bureaucracy and it'll probably mean that Irish Water will have to share their primary identifier with the DSP, which probably opens up another, smaller, can of worms.

So just to clarify....

You think its right that water charges can be taken from people in receipt of SW and who are at the lowest rung of our pay scale even if they are against water charges?

Where is the fairness and equality in that?
These charges CANNOT be taken through the revenue so workers cannot be charged for water charges. Why can one section of society be targeted?

Again, this mentality shows the disparity and inequality in our society. The same way they want to charge for water. Totally inequitable.


*awaits rabble dole scrounger scum rabble rabble*

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Presumably it means a good chunk of the protesters will now be satisfied and abandon the protest? I seem to remember a few on the thread whos issue seemed to be just around giving a ppsn to IW.

Sure fire you dont have a grasp of the topics.

Its blatant that you assume that this a single issue item

freddiek

Phoebas wrote: »

What has that got to do with your mad claim that people don't want protests to be allowed?

there is so much class-bias evident in the comments about yesterday's events. Tracksuits, scum, hoodies and the usual shyte being bandied about.

on RTE as well.