ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

yipeeeee · 15-11-2014 10:37AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is it really happening all over the country? It is certainly not happening all over Dundalk. Dozens of streets and estates have had meters installed with no interference or even any protestor presence. Very early on there were some protests organised by local paramilitaries but after a few of the ringleaders were arrested it petered out. One video of an incident at one house does not reflect what is happening in general.

http://talkofthetown.ie/2014/10/02/four-arrested-in-dundalk-following-water-meter-protest/

I never heard of any trouble either in Drogheda, Monaghan or Cavan for instance but I don't even know if meters are being installed in those towns. I asked before if people could post information about what was happening on the ground in their local areas but nobody responded. Apart from the videos out of Dublin and the one from Clonmel I get the impression that the hundreds of thousands of meters which have been installed was done with no protestor presence.

Meters have been installed in most of the south side of Dublin free of any incidents.

listermint · 15-11-2014 10:51AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

yipeeeee wrote: »

Meters have been installed in most of the south side of Dublin free of any incidents.

No they haven't. Define most. Because your gauge is broken.

Let's try this.

Meters have been installed in a small portion of the south side of Dublin. Without incident. Is that more factual than what you've posted.

Because it is. Its not lies

El Horseboxo · 15-11-2014 11:00AM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

hynesie08 wrote: »

But they didn't start on his property! They were working outside (with a plastic barrier against but not inside his gate) he runs out and begins pushing them. Any aggression was started by him.

Think you need to watch that again. That barrier thing was well inside his garden. And that's from someone that thinks dude seemed like a dickhead. He tried to move the barriers and they pushed back and came into his garden.

suicide_circus · 15-11-2014 11:36AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

IW has hand picked a lot of areas to install the meters thus far. They have avoided a lot of the rougher parts of the country and Dublin in particular. It will get a lot worse when/if they attempt to install meters in these areas.

Sure most of the people in the "rough" areas will have their water bills paid for, along with all their other bills.

Alun · 15-11-2014 11:39AM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Meters have been installed in most of the south side of Dublin free of any incidents.

I was talking to the IW guys doing our meters yesterday, and they said they'd had no trouble in Bray either, apart from a minor standoff in the street where our local SF councillor lives.

teddy_303 · 15-11-2014 12:00PM

Alun wrote: »

I was talking to the IW guys doing our meters yesterday, and they said they'd had no trouble in Bray either, apart from a minor standoff in the street where our local SF councillor lives.

i'm looking forward to when irish water turn up in limerick...

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 12:15PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Alun wrote: »

I was talking to the IW guys doing our meters yesterday, and they said they'd had no trouble in Bray either, apart from a minor standoff in the street where our local SF councillor lives.

As part of the ANTI crowd it is sad to see parts of the country not stand up but that is their right ,
However who's to say that these areas and communities are not been represented at some level in the main marches and countrywide protests or that many might prefer to leave their protest till the election box.
Yes maybe these area heavily support Water meters and charges I honestly don't know but I would not be reading the non action in these areas as a reflection of the actual views one way or the other.

15-11-2014 12:18PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

ROCKMAN wrote: »

As part of the ANTI crowd it is sad to see parts of the country not stand up but that is their right ,
However who's to say that these areas and communities are not been represented at some level in the main marches and countrywide protests or that many might prefer to leave their protest till the election box.
Yes maybe these area heavily support Water meters and charges I honestly don't know but I would not be reading the non action in these areas as a reflection of the actual views one way or the other.

You mean the AAA and Right2Water people haven't gotten round to sending one of their preachers to convert the heathens yet?

tayto lover · 15-11-2014 12:20PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is it really happening all over the country? It is certainly not happening all over Dundalk. Dozens of streets and estates have had meters installed with no interference or even any protestor presence. Very early on there were some protests organised by local paramilitaries but after a few of the ringleaders were arrested it petered out. One video of an incident at one house does not reflect what is happening in general.

http://talkofthetown.ie/2014/10/02/four-arrested-in-dundalk-following-water-meter-protest/

I never heard of any trouble either in Drogheda, Monaghan or Cavan for instance but I don't even know if meters are being installed in those towns. I asked before if people could post information about what was happening on the ground in their local areas but nobody responded. Apart from the videos out of Dublin and the one from Clonmel I get the impression that the hundreds of thousands of meters which have been installed was done with no protestor presence.

Have they gone into Cox's Demesne, Muirhevnamore, Lios Dubh, Cooley Park or Mullaharlin Park yet?

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 12:22PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean the AAA and Right2Water people haven't gotten round to sending one of their preachers to convert the heathens yet?

Jesus another failed comedian ,,,

Just never gets tiring.......

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 12:32PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sure most of the people in the "rough" areas will have their water bills paid for, along with all their other bills.

Lol

Streetwalker · 15-11-2014 12:32PM

I agree with metered water charges

yipeeeee wrote: »

Meters have been installed in most of the south side of Dublin free of any incidents.

Most of the south siders wouldn't be the type to rock the boat. They'd keep their head down whilst the establishment gives it to them good and hard, without the lube. You have to hand it to the people of Coolock, edenmore, Kilbarrack etc.. they are taking a stand and that is to be admired.

That said IW are avoiding certain south side areas and hoping (wrongly) they can get most of the nation paying before they attempt to install in these areas. Not all those living on the southside are rolling over by any means like the D4, Goatstown, Foxrock crowd.

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 12:36PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Streetwalker wrote: »

Most of the south siders wouldn't be the type to rock the boat. They'd keep their head down whilst the establishment gives it to them good and hard, without the lube. You have to hand it to the people of Coolock, edenmore, Kilbarrack etc.. they are taking a stand and that is to be admired.

Places in Tallaght or Clondalkin, Killinarden, Jobstown, Neilstown, Ronanstown, etc.

Parts of Ballyfermot.

I'm guessing they haven't installed in those areas yet?

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 12:40PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

Places in Tallaght or Clondalkin, Killinarden, Jobstown, Neilstown, Ronanstown, etc.

Parts of Ballyfermot.

I'm guessing they haven't installed in those areas yet?

There also the notion that because the meters are in that the bills will be paid .I honestly don't believe is will be the case at all.

Going Forward · 15-11-2014 12:48PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Surely any substantial increase in charges will likely come about by the state reducing the subsidies?

Or privatisation.

Wanderer2010 · 15-11-2014 12:53PM

I agree with metered water charges

I wouldn't take the lack of protests in a lot of areas in Ireland as a statement of compliance. A lot of Irish people dont have it in them to start protests and get aggressive with the people who are doing their job but they will protest by returning their contracts and not paying the bill, and further down the road vote a different party in. The only problem is, IW and the government are clearly planning their next step very carefully. We will no doubt get another apology before clarity on the prices next week. And we as a nation are a sucker for apologies (ah shur he is tryin his best, fair play they listened to us, all we wanted was an apology)...but IW will continue to charge people for water.

The charges will be presented in a very marketing-friendly pleasing way with every category and socio-economic group represented i.e Mary is a single mother from Cavan....she will only have to pay 80euros a year and she will even receive a subsidy to the tune of 20euros....Pat and Anne have 2 children, Pat is unemployed, Anne works part time, they will pay 125 euros etc, all presented in an alleged compassionate and inclusive manner and we will fall for it, hence the compliance will increase to such a level that the minority of "troublemakers" can be realistically dealt with by the courts or revenue. Im telling you people, we are going to be ground right down if we dont refuse as a nation to pay this unfair charge.

Satriale · 15-11-2014 01:00PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

The charges will be presented in a very marketing-friendly pleasing way with every category and socio-economic group represented i.e Mary is a single mother from Cavan....she will only have to pay 80euros a year and she will even receive a subsidy to the tune of 20euros....Pat and Anne have 2 children, Pat is unemployed, Anne works part time, they will pay 125 euros etc

"Enda is a politician, he wont have to pay any water charges on his second home thanks to a one rule for them one rule for us 1997 law"

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:03PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I wouldn't take the lack of protests in a lot of areas in Ireland as a statement of compliance. A lot of Irish people dont have it in them to start protests and get aggressive with the people who are doing their job but they will protest by returning their contracts and not paying the bill, and further down the road vote a different party in. The only problem is, IW and the government are clearly planning their next step very carefully. We will no doubt get another apology before clarity on the prices next week. And we as a nation are a sucker for apologies (ah shur he is tryin his best, fair play they listened to us, all we wanted was an apology)...but IW will continue to charge people for water.

The charges will be presented in a very marketing-friendly pleasing way with every category and socio-economic group represented i.e Mary is a single mother from Cavan....she will only have to pay 80euros a year and she will even receive a subsidy to the tune of 20euros....Pat and Anne have 2 children, Pat is unemployed, Anne works part time, they will pay 125 euros etc, all presented in an alleged compassionate and inclusive manner and we will fall for it, hence the compliance will increase to such a level that the minority of "troublemakers" can be realistically dealt with by the courts or revenue. Im telling you people, we are going to be ground right down if we dont refuse as a nation to pay this unfair charge.

That's probably about right ok.
Give it 10 years and the average will be around €1,500-€2,000.
Denis will be happy.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:06PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Think you need to watch that again. That barrier thing was well inside his garden. And that's from someone that thinks dude seemed like a dickhead. He tried to move the barriers and they pushed back and came into his garden.

Not at all.
What pro taxer's can see is a thug, probably a shinner, attacking workers in the street for no reason whatsoever.
Personally, I'd reckon that guy was drunk on cheap larger and forgot to put his Celtic shirt on.

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 01:08PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I wouldn't take the lack of protests in a lot of areas in Ireland as a statement of compliance. A lot of Irish people dont have it in them to start protests and get aggressive with the people who are doing their job but they will protest by returning their contracts and not paying the bill, and further down the road vote a different party in. The only problem is, IW and the government are clearly planning their next step very carefully. We will no doubt get another apology before clarity on the prices next week. And we as a nation are a sucker for apologies (ah shur he is tryin his best, fair play they listened to us, all we wanted was an apology)...but IW will continue to charge people for water.

The charges will be presented in a very marketing-friendly pleasing way with every category and socio-economic group represented i.e Mary is a single mother from Cavan....she will only have to pay 80euros a year and she will even receive a subsidy to the tune of 20euros....Pat and Anne have 2 children, Pat is unemployed, Anne works part time, they will pay 125 euros etc, all presented in an alleged compassionate and inclusive manner and we will fall for it, hence the compliance will increase to such a level that the minority of "troublemakers" can be realistically dealt with by the courts or revenue. Im telling you people, we are going to be ground right down if we dont refuse as a nation to pay this unfair charge.

Spot on, Good post.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:08PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is it really happening all over the country? It is certainly not happening all over Dundalk. Dozens of streets and estates have had meters installed with no interference or even any protestor presence. Very early on there were some protests organised by local paramilitaries but after a few of the ringleaders were arrested it petered out. One video of an incident at one house does not reflect what is happening in general.

http://talkofthetown.ie/2014/10/02/four-arrested-in-dundalk-following-water-meter-protest/

I never heard of any trouble either in Drogheda, Monaghan or Cavan for instance but I don't even know if meters are being installed in those towns. I asked before if people could post information about what was happening on the ground in their local areas but nobody responded. Apart from the videos out of Dublin and the one from Clonmel I get the impression that the hundreds of thousands of meters which have been installed was done with no protestor presence.

Who cares?
Water meters are FG's e-voting machines.
Enrich party supporters at all costs.

15-11-2014 01:08PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

"Enda is a politician, he wont have to pay any water charges on his second home thanks to a one rule for them one rule for us 1997 law"

Er, he will. That loophole was closed.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:11PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, he will. That loophole was closed.

I wonder will they close the loophole that has people like me, from Dublin, paying for the services people in the likes of tipperary use?
Equity eh?
We pay through the nose for our property's, pay through the nose in LPT to subsidise the less well off.
And then we have to listen to these spongers spouting on about water tax and 'do you want free electricity etc etc'.

dxhound2005 · 15-11-2014 01:15PM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's probably about right ok.
Give it 10 years and the average will be around €1,500-€2,000.
Denis will be happy.

Or it could be zero. It depends on the policy of future governments. Everyone can vote in 2016 for a politician who will abolish water charges if they get into power.

I'd be interested in where you got the 1500 2000 figures from. If that is the average, say 1750, it would mean a lot would have to be even higher again.

35 or 40 a week or even more seems very excessive for water, unless there was very very heavy usage. People said the same about bin charges in the 1990's, that they would be thousands in years to come. That hasn't really happened.

tayto lover · 15-11-2014 01:18PM

I believe the Govt will come out next week and put a cap on how much people will pay per annum regardless of how many live in the house. Roughly 300 euro.

I also predict that IW will be privatised in about 8 years time.
Denis will make more billions.

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 01:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Or it could be zero. It depends on the policy of future governments. Everyone can vote in 2016 for a politician who will abolish water charges if they get into power.

I'd be interested in where you got the 1500 2000 figures from. If that is the average, say 1750, it would mean a lot would have to be even higher again.

35 or 40 a week or even more seems very excessive for water, unless there was very very heavy usage. People said the same about bin charges in the 1990's, that they would be thousands in years to come. That hasn't really happened.

Bin companies, of which there are many, compete for your business.

Not such a competitive market with Irish Water.

15-11-2014 01:20PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I wonder will they close the loophole that has people like me, from Dublin, paying for the services people in the likes of tipperary use?
Equity eh?
We pay through the nose for our property's, pay through the nose in LPT to subsidise the less well off.
And then we have to listen to these spongers spouting on about water tax and 'do you want free electricity etc etc'.

Gee, thanks Tinkerbell. So very kind of you. So sorry our country hovels are worth so little. Pity we have no footpaths, street lighting, traffic lights, public sewerage, public transport, etc....

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:20PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Or it could be zero. It depends on the policy of future governments. Everyone can vote in 2016 for a politician who will abolish water charges if they get into power.

I'd be interested in where you got the 1500 2000 figures from. If that is the average, say 1750, it would mean a lot would have to be even higher again.

35 or 40 a week or even more seems very excessive for water, unless there was very very heavy usage. People said the same about bin charges in the 1990's, that they would be thousands in years to come. That hasn't really happened.

Bin charges started out at about €1.50 in Dublin.
It now costs €9.50 a lift.
Work it out yourself.
If the rate is set at €200 for an average family, IW will need massive subvention
from general taxation.
That will be reduced over time and the rate will increase proportionality.
I'll stand by my €1,500-€2,000 figure.
It's the reason I will never pay a water tax.

Satriale · 15-11-2014 01:20PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, he will. That loophole was closed.

Not that i doubt you

, but can you link? Tis rarely they reverse on the gravy, i need to savour the moment.

dxhound2005 · 15-11-2014 01:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I believe the Govt will come out next week and put a cap on how much people will pay per annum regardless of how many live in the house. Roughly 300 euro.

I also predict that IW will be privatised in about 8 years time.
Denis will make more billions.

When it is privatised do you think the new company will keep supplying water to houses with an eight years history of non payment to IW?

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ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP