**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Alun

skywalker wrote: »

They turned a high pressure hose on a mans genitals! That's beyond assault & it's indefensible.

I agreed with you that it wasn't acceptable, I was asking if you saw what led up to that on the full version of the video linked to earlier in the thread not the edited version that just shows that part of the incident.

As it happens, they're installing meters in my estate at the moment, and my stopcock is very close to the edge of my driveway meaning they had to partially block it. I moved my car on to the road to facilitate this. I didn't rush at them like a madman waving my fists and shouting obscenities at them, I talked with them like a normal human being.

ROCKMAN

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Which occurred after he attacked them.



So you want me to show you legislation without showing you legislation. Great. The legislation is there to allow them work on the pipes. It doesn't matter where they are. There is no law preventing them being across your driveway.

MAYBE But not IN your driveway

Larbre34

I do not want to pay for water in any way

The legislation setting the status of IW is clear. It is a commercial semi-state at arms length from the exchequer and any attempt to direct Revenue to collect charges would be illegal, no more than if Revenue came to you looking for your overdue ESB bill or your slate at the local butchers.

It would be immediately challenged in court for certain, but i believe feelings are running so high that if it was to be attemped, you could be dealing with riots and burning offices.

Alun

ROCKMAN wrote: »

MAYBE But not IN your driveway

It's hard to see how far exactly they encroached on the poor man's precious driveway, but it's likely that the existing stopcock is right on the edge of the pavement, very close to his driveway. As such they may well have to place their safety barriers a small distance inside his driveway. Is that really such an unreasonable thing to ask? And who knows, maybe they did actually ask him, nobody knows, but I'd be prepared to bet that if they did they were probably met with a similar torrent of verbal abuse as was shown on the video

ROCKMAN

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Alun wrote: »

It's hard to see how far exactly they encroached on the poor man's precious driveway, but it's likely that the existing stopcock is right on the edge of the pavement, very close to his driveway. As such they may well have to place their safety barriers a small distance inside his driveway. Is that really such an unreasonable thing to ask? And who knows, maybe they did actually ask him, nobody knows, but I'd be prepared to bet that if they did they were probably met with a similar torrent of verbal abuse as was shown on the video

So you agree they did encroach ,And yes the law can be an ass but encroachment is encroachment by 1 foot or 10 foot it all the same.

Yes they could have asked but its also possible that they just arrived and set up without any regard to the home owner or anything else.

user2011

Tbh i think we all missed the part were the homeowner asks the IW lads to get off his property like a normal person would they refuse then things start to boil then the camera comes out when things look like/start getting out of hand.

Alun

ROCKMAN wrote: »

So you agree they did encroach ..

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's hard to see on the crappy video, but personally I wouldn't care two hoots if they had done so, and in fact in my case I didn't. The IW guys I spoke to this morning were very calm and accommodating, but then I didn't curse and swear at them, but talked to them reasonably and calmly.

Once again, is rushing up to them pushing and shoving at the barriers and hurling streams of abuse a reasonable reaction to something as minor as that? Personally I don't think so.

Alun

user2011 wrote: »

Tbh i think we all missed the part were the homeowner asks the IW lads to get off his property like a normal person would they refuse then things start to boil then the camera comes out when things look like/start getting out of hand.

Maybe we missed that part because it never happened ... that's the beauty of these videos, nobody can prove one way or the other what preceded the start of the filming.

keithclancy

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Why don't they install them inside the house anyway ?
At least then people would be able to read them, monitor their usage and submit a meter reading.

Alun

keithclancy wrote: »

Why don't they install them inside the house anyway ?
At least then people would be able to read them, monitor their usage and submit a meter reading.

Because in most cases the main water pipe enters the house in some obscure corner of the kitchen behind the sink somewhere and can't easily be accessed. Maybe they'll be fitted inside in new build houses or in meter boxes just like for gas and electricity now.

steamengine

I agree with metered water charges

keithclancy wrote: »

Why don't they install them inside the house anyway ?
At least then people would be able to read them, monitor their usage and submit a meter reading.

Good question, gas and electricity meters aren't out on the road why the water meters.

Alun

keithclancy wrote: »

At least then people would be able to read them, monitor their usage and submit a meter reading.

It's not that difficult to read them where they are to be honest. Plus they're read remotely by a van just driving by, so no need for meter readings to be submitted manually by the customer.

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

steamengine wrote: »

Good question, gas and electricity meters aren't out on the road why the water meters.

I thought the whole point of them being on the roadside was so that they could be read remotely from a van that will just drive past? I don't know about anyone else, but my meter has an RF transponder attached to it for (I presume) this purpose.

skywalker

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Alun wrote: »

I agreed with you that it wasn't acceptable, I was asking if you saw what led up to that on the full version of the video linked to earlier in the thread not the edited version that just shows that part of the incident.

As it happens, they're installing meters in my estate at the moment, and my stopcock is very close to the edge of my driveway meaning they had to partially block it. I moved my car on to the road to facilitate this. I didn't rush at them like a madman waving my fists and shouting obscenities at them, I talked with them like a normal human being.

I did see the video & the man didn't cover himself in glory as you say. Having 5 guys trespass on your land & refuse to move will bring that reaction out in some people though.

Let me ask you this. What would your reaction be If he had turned a high pressure hose on one of their genitals? Would it similarly just be unacceptable, or would you be looking for the guy to be charged?

Rubber_Soul

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

shinzon wrote: »

Public Order act 1994

Under the Public Order Act 1994

By law, the true owner can use reasonable force to remove you from the premises

Wilful obstruction. 9.—Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, wilfully prevents or interrupts the free passage of any person or vehicle in any public place shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £200.

Yes that's punts not euros but seems pretty clear to me

Shin

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/act/pub/0035/sec0002.html

Alun

skywalker wrote: »

I did see the video & the man didn't cover himself in glory as you say. Having 5 guys trespass on your land & refuse to move will bring that reaction out in some people though.

Honestly, you'd imagine they'd stormed his house and threatened to kidnap his children or something, try and put things in a bit of perspective. They were placing a safety barrier, to surround what would eventually be a 2 foot deep hole in the pavement, and from what I could see the site was very close to his property boundary. I don't see what else they could have done, to be honest, and I see what he did as complete and utter overreaction to a bit of a non-event.

Let me ask you this. What would your reaction be If he had turned a high pressure hose on one of their genitals? Would it similarly just be unacceptable, or would you be looking for the guy to be charged?

Both are unacceptable, clearly, but I'd imagine they have probably had to put up with this kind of nonsense on a daily basis at that stage, and one of them just snapped. Not to suggest that that makes it OK, though.

I'm off to see what happened to the Philae lander now, much more interesting ...

user2011

Alun wrote: »

Maybe we missed that part because it never happened ... that's the beauty of these videos, nobody can prove one way or the other what preceded the start of the filming.

Some logic?

I want someone off my property I ask them to get off it, give them a chance to use their own free will.

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Does anyone have a definitive yes or no answer as to whether or not IW are permitted to enter private properties without consent for the purposes of installation?

Is there anything in the legislation about it?

Alun

user2011 wrote: »

Some logic?

I want someone off my property I ask them to get off it, give them a chance to use their own free will.

Not sure what you're trying to say there. Basically we don't know one way or the other if he asked them calmly to get off his property, that bit conveniently wasn't on the video, but given his totally overboard reaction at the start of it, I'd be willing to bet he did no such thing. We'll never know though.

fullstop

KevIRL wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1khn0OxDLA

Another video starring the 'victim' from the vid posted earlier. Go to 1:22 on this vid. Anger issues it would seem

Absolute thug, and if it's the same fella I'm not surprised. Yer man shouting at him to drive over them in one of the videos too. Delightful :rolleyes:

fullstop

listermint wrote: »

Ah here you go mary. What was it you were saying ?


This is the full footage. illegally on the mans property FULLY.

What a shower of mongs, and I'm not talking about the lads in the hard hats.

66ad

That Irish water thug, who hosed the man in the genitals with the power washer should be charged with sexual assault!

Using a power washer that close could cause a lot of damage...

fullstop

66ad wrote: »

That Irish water thug, who hosed the man in the genitals with the power washer should be charged with sexual assault!

Using a power washer that close could cause a lot of damage...

Yeah lots of people have died from a power washer to the genitals, the UN are to discuss it at their next summit. I'm sure the fact he was threatening to hit them had nothing to do with it, as well as his delightful neighbour screaming at his equally delightful, i'm sure, missus Sylvia to "drive over the cnut". :rolleyes:

Frank O. Pinion

Imagine if the ESB went out and used their electricity on people's groins standing in their driveways. There would be riots.

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

fullstop wrote: »

Yeah lots of people have died from a power washer to the genitals, the UN are to discuss it at their next summit. I'm sure the fact he was threatening to hit them had nothing to do with it, as well as his delightful neighbour screaming at his equally delightful, i'm sure, missus Sylvia to "drive over the cnut". :rolleyes:

It is assault. And trespass. There is no grey area. That is what it is. I feel for that homeowner having hired thugs intrude upon the sanctity of his private home. They have no respect. They should constantly be apologizing for what they were doing. Instead they were threatening and aggressive.

fullstop

masculinist wrote: »

It is assault. And trespass. There is no grey area. That is what it is. I feel for that homeowner having hired thugs intrude upon the sanctity of his private home. They have no respect. They should constantly be apologizing for what they were doing. Instead they were threatening and aggressive.

He assaulted them first. And I didn't know he hired his thug of a neighbour to be there. Hahahahaha, which they were threatening and aggressive?? And he has some neck to be ****eing on about trespassing if he ran onto the pitch in Croke Park to assault a referee.

fullstop

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Imagine if the ESB went out and used their electricity on people's groins standing in their driveways. There would be riots.

Yeah, cause that's the exact same thing. :D

hynesie08

masculinist wrote: »

It is assault. And trespass. There is no grey area. That is what it is. I feel for that homeowner having hired thugs intrude upon the sanctity of his private home. They have no respect. They should constantly be apologizing for what they were doing. Instead they were threatening and aggressive.

What were they doing? They were carrying out there work outside his house,
He dragged them onto his property and began assaulting them.

His own children are embarrassed by his actions.

user2011

Alun wrote: »

Not sure what you're trying to say there. Basically we don't know one way or the other if he asked them calmly to get off his property, that bit conveniently wasn't on the video, but given his totally overboard reaction at the start of it, I'd be willing to bet he did no such thing. We'll never know though.

Too much double speak for me..

So you don't but you'd have a bet. So what I said could of equally of happened but you disagreed with me straight off the bat :cool:

My name is URL

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

fullstop wrote: »

He assaulted them first. And I didn't know he hired his thug of a neighbour to be there. Hahahahaha, which they were threatening and aggressive?? And he has some neck to be ****eing on about trespassing if he ran onto the pitch in Croke Park to assault a referee.

Any proof that it's the same guy?

And where did he assault them first? He was trying to close the gate of his property, which he has every fcuking right to do. Not his fault that the goons wouldn't move to allow him to do so without impediment.