ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 07:58PM

masculinist wrote: »

What happened today in the Dail was a thundering disgrace. I dont' have any association with any political party but I want this government out and I want them out now. Allow water charges to be introduced at your peril . Once introduced they will increase beyond the price of inflation and watch the long list of scandals make headlines as the years rolls by - all of it without a shred of democratic accountability. Just look what happened to your Gas and electricity bills over the last few years. Once they have you by the balls they will continue to squeeze. Dont let them get that grip in the first place !

100% correct. IW will be nothing short of a financial harness on the backs of the public, for an essential public amenity. nothing short of total corporate and political control, which price hikes can price out ppl for whatever reason that could suit the, Agenda 21 is what ppl need to wake up to in this regard.

Ireland signed up to agenda 21 in 1992, 5 short years before the last effort to introduce water charges, which was thankfully rejected after a lot of bull sh1t also... 9 minute video below giving brief details of what agenda 21 means in reality for life on earth, and for whose benefit... just say no.

http://youtu.be/TzEEgtOFFlM

bolivia is a great example to the supporters of IW in this regard, where working poor ppl were charged 25% of their incomes for access to basic water supplies.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6670

SaveOurLyric · 13-11-2014 08:17PM

If all the people with delusions that they cannot pay their water bills stopped paying for their non-essential non-humanright broadband or mobile connections they could pay their water bills.
Which would leave only those who can afford to pay it and their internet fees posting.
So as long as there are people posting that they cant pay, the water charge is not excessive.

gladrags · 13-11-2014 08:28PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

24th Feb 2014

Dail questions

"Independent TD, Deputy Seamus Healy brought up the topic of water charges during the Taoiseach’s weekly grilling by the Opposition.

He asked Kenny about cases where water was not fit for purpose, for example the recently flooded areas and hard water areas where fixtures are damaged by the water.

He also asked how bills were to be calculated for homes that didn’t have a meter, what the free quota would be and if there would be an extra free allowance for people with a medical condition who needed to use more water.

Enda Kenny responded by stating that "in the next couple of weeks, the government would have a model that will show a very clear structure of the water charges."

He added that:

"In a country that’s able to build the rest of the world, surely we can provide adequate water for our own people."

Healy responded “as usual you’ve answered none of the questions that I’ve asked”.

Good on ye Enda,true to form,ya boya.

The next couple of weeks sez he.

Healy had him copped.

Stench Blossoms · 13-11-2014 08:39PM

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202639931590311&set=vb.1558365822&type=2&theater

Is there any need for language like that?

renegademaster · 13-11-2014 08:47PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

If all the people with delusions that they cannot pay their water bills stopped paying for their non-essential non-humanright broadband or mobile connections they could pay their water bills.
Which would leave only those who can afford to pay it and their internet fees posting.
So as long as there are people posting that they cant pay, the water charge is not excessive.

kpfo!

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202639931590311&set=vb.1558365822&type=2&theater

Is there any need for language like that?

are you for real? god help us if someone uses bad language in front of a corrupt pr1ck! yes there's a need for language like that and it will get much worse for him going forward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gladrags · 13-11-2014 08:51PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202639931590311&set=vb.1558365822&type=2&theater

Is there any need for language like that?

At least she was honest.

He or his kin made no sacrifices for this country.

He never did and never will,he imposed austerity and hardship on behalf of a foreign power,and banks.

Stench Blossoms · 13-11-2014 08:52PM

She could have got her point across without calling him a C U Next Tuesday.

twowheelsgood · 13-11-2014 08:59PM

gladrags wrote: »

he imposed austerity and hardship on behalf of a foreign power,and banks.

Nope! You are as wrong as the "lady" in the video. Do you know why the IMF came to town in the first place?

Streetwalker · 13-11-2014 09:04PM

I agree with metered water charges

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202639931590311&set=vb.1558365822&type=2&theater

Is there any need for language like that?

Yes. I think she went fairly easy on him all things considered.

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 09:18PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Nope! You are as wrong as the "lady" in the video. Do you know why the IMF came to town in the first place?

yes. because of agenda 21.

VinLieger · 13-11-2014 09:19PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

gladrags wrote: »

At least she was honest.

He or his kin made no sacrifices for this country.

He never did and never will,he imposed austerity and hardship on behalf of a foreign power,and banks.

Yes he imposed it and FF never signed us up to austerity, a bailout, troika overseer's and the bank gurantee before FG got into power? Revisionist much?

twowheelsgood · 13-11-2014 09:22PM

teddy_303 wrote: »

yes. because of agenda 21.

Not even close. Try again.

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 09:27PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

If all the people with delusions that they cannot pay their water bills stopped paying for their non-essential non-humanright broadband or mobile connections they could pay their water bills.
Which would leave only those who can afford to pay it and their internet fees posting.
So as long as there are people posting that they cant pay, the water charge is not excessive.

are you a member of "lets reduce the minimum wage" youth wing of a political party by any chance?

thats quite the dickensian attitude you have there.

lets hope anyone in your family have to sit cold in the dary just to be able to wash and cook for themselves.

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 09:30PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Not even close. Try again.

thats exactly what it is. why else would they insist on water privatisation as a means to repay this odious debt? what would they care where the money comes from for repayments otherwise?

that goes for our energy suppliers also.

Stargate · 13-11-2014 09:31PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes he imposed it and FF never signed us up to austerity, a bailout, troika overseer's and the bank gurantee before FG got into power? Revisionist much?

FG ? The same FG who are Buddy Buddy with DOB ?

The same DOB
Denis O Brien, the man accused by a High Court Judge to have “beyond all doubt” bribed a FG government to gain control of a a state asset (Esat)- and to have subsequently made hundreds of millions by selling same – “purchases” a company called Siteserv which specializes in the installation of water meters."

Yeah THAT FG !

I get ya now .

hawkelady · 13-11-2014 09:32PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Russell brand has given his thoughts to the debate.. I found it interesting .

http://youtu.be/nV7KojDB87o

VinLieger · 13-11-2014 09:34PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

FG ? The same FG who are Buddy Buddy with DOB ?

The same DOB
Denis O Brien, the man accused by a High Court Judge to have “beyond all doubt” bribed a FG government to gain control of a a state asset (Esat)- and to have subsequently made hundreds of millions by selling same – “purchases” a company called Siteserv which specializes in the installation of water meters."

Yeah THAT FG !

I get ya now .

Did I say they were the next coming of christ? No I was correcting a point blaming FG for implementing austerity

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 09:35PM

Stargate wrote: »

FG ? The same FG who are Buddy Buddy with DOB ?

The same DOB
Denis O Brien, the man accused by a High Court Judge to have “beyond all doubt” bribed a FG government to gain control of a a state asset (Esat)- and to have subsequently made hundreds of millions by selling same – “purchases” a company called Siteserv which specializes in the installation of water meters."

Yeah THAT FG !

I get ya now .

the tax payer is on the hook to be sued by the other companies who out bid D O'B for esat, to the tune of €100 million, thanks to what FG did in this contract, i have been reliable informed of.

twowheelsgood · 13-11-2014 09:36PM

teddy_303 wrote: »

thats exactly what it is. why else would they insist on water privatisation as a means to repay this odious debt? what would they care where the money comes from for repayments otherwise?

that goes for our energy suppliers also.

What odious debt? Most of what we owe is money we spent with no matching income to pay for it. Which is the actual reason the IMF came to see us.

And part of the reason we got in to that mess is because we had loopy tax collection arrangements - something metered water will go some way to fix.

Banjo String · 13-11-2014 09:40PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

what odious dedt? Most of what we owe is money we spent with no matching income to pay for it. Which is the actual reason the IMF came to see us.

And part of the reason we got in to that mess is because we had loopy tax collection arrangements - something metered water will go some way to fix.

But, but, but it's all about conservation and detecting leaks....... Hence the need for meters........

listermint · 13-11-2014 09:43PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

teddy_303 wrote: »

for anyone interested: from the DDI web site:

Emergency Dáil Legislation On Collecting Water Bills Due This Friday 14th November 2014
Posted on November 13, 2014 by Admin D

dail sit inThe Troika are back next week and they want the water charges paid as they were a key condition of the bail;out. So in advance of this visit The two government parties have cooked up a piece of emergency legislation to be voted on tomorrow. The cat is out of the bag and because of this the Dáil is currently suspended

DUBLIN GROUPS WANTED OUTSIDE THE DAIL ASAP IN SUPPORT TODAY AND FRIDAY 14th November 2014

This is Not about DDI or Sinn Fein or any other party … It is about the LEGISLATION Period.

THE GOVERNMENT ARE BRINGING EMERGENCY LEGISLATION TO ENACT IRISH WATER BILLS TO BE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR WAGE PACKET AND SOCIAL WELFARE PAYMENTS

THE DAIL IS SUSPENDED FOR THE DAY … DUE TO MARY LOU McDONALD ASKING A QUESTION OF THE TANAISTE.

Tánaiste Joan Burton avoided answering two very important questions from the deputy leader:

1- Will you “give assurances to the dail that you will not allow for unpaid bill to be deducted from peoples wages, peoples pensions or peoples social welfare?

2- Will you “not allow for (revenue) ATTACHMENT ORDERS to be used by #IrishWater for unpaid bills?”

Mary Lou McDonald continued to say: “I know that house is sitting on Friday. I understand that there will be a vote on Friday. I wonder to myself, and there is some speculation that there might be some

EMERGENCY LEGISLATION presented on Friday perhaps to allow for these very things.

TANAISTE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION … MARY LOU IS ON A DAIL SIT IN … REFUSING TO LEAVE DAIL CHAMBER UNTIL …. ?????

Right now people need to make their feelings known to ALL of their local TDs. Contact ALL of them and make sure they know the people want them to VOTE DOWN this emergency legislation. Contact especially the Fine Gael and Labour TDs and make sure enough of them cross the floor and vote with the opposition.

Tell them that any chance they have of ever being elected to any office in Ireland again depends upon it.

We know now the dail is suspended till Tuesday. For what end we were unsure ,how can the vote this without dail debate .

What's going on here?

twowheelsgood · 13-11-2014 09:45PM

Banjo String wrote: »

But, but, but it's all about conservation and detecting leaks....... Hence the need for meters........

That too Banjo, that too. Thanks for reminding us.

Lots of good reasons for metered water.

(But we were actually talking about something slightly else)

Satriale · 13-11-2014 09:45PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 09:51PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

What odious debt? Most of what we owe is money we spent with no matching income to pay for it. Which is the actual reason the IMF came to see us.

And part of the reason we got in to that mess is because we had loopy tax collection arrangements - something metered water will go some way to fix.

money from any source will fix that. why does it HAVE TO BE WATER CHARGES?

why would seasoned bond holder invertors, continue to pump massive amounts of money into irish bonds, when our economy had already expanded 5 fold in only 20 years, knowing a bust is unavoidable? and then get their gambling losses repaid by the tax payer, with the cheques written by the bond holders in government? a lot of those bonds were bought up at 16 cents on the euro at the news of the iminent crash, only to be picked up for peanuts by irish politicians and those who were tipped off, to then have those bonds repaid at 100% of their original value.

this crap didn't start in the summer of 2008...

VinLieger · 13-11-2014 09:55PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Satriale wrote: »

Park life

twowheelsgood · 13-11-2014 10:01PM

teddy_303 wrote: »

money from any source will fix that. why does it HAVE TO BE WATER CHARGES?

why would seasoned bond holder invertors, continue to pump massive amounts of money into irish bonds, when our economy had already expanded 5 fold in only 20 years, knowing a bust is unavoidable? and then get their gambling losses repaid by the tax payer, with the cheques written by the bond holders in government? a lot of those bonds were bought up at 16 cents on the euro at the news of the iminent crash, only to be picked up for peanuts by irish politicians and those who were tipped off, to then have those bonds repaid at 100% of their original value.

this crap didn't start in the summer of 2008...

Only a fraction of the money we owe is because of bond holders. The bulk of it is because we were and are spending more money that we are raising in taxes.

gladrags · 13-11-2014 10:02PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes he imposed it and FF never signed us up to austerity, a bailout, troika overseer's and the bank gurantee before FG got into power? Revisionist much?

OK, I take your point,simple error.

FG just carrying the torch of austerity for FF to the masses.

No harm in that.

VinLieger · 13-11-2014 10:09PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

gladrags wrote: »

OK, I take your point,simple error.

FG just carrying the torch of austerity for FF to the masses.

No harm in that.

Which any intelligent voter would have been aware of was going to happen, yes they promised a lot that they didn't come through on which when the next election comes around they and labour will likely be punished for but guess what the economy is on the way back up, unemployment is dropping and we had our first neutral budget in over 5 years, austerity is either over or very close to being and if you thought it would be a quick fix then your living in fantasy land

teddy_303 · 13-11-2014 10:12PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Only a fraction of the money we owe is because of bond holders. The bulk of it is because we were and are spending more money that we are raising in taxes.

a €100 billion + as a fraction is hardly insignificant.

that still doesn't explain why the imf are insisting on water privatisation, what are they planning to do when corporate interests get their hands on our water?

UN Agenda 21 explains what they are at. i'd suggest you look that up if you are unaware of what that seeks to implement. resource based economy with private property being outlawed etc... we signed up to it in 92'. 5 yrs before last effort to implement charges. do u not think the government withdrew funding to update our water infrastructure when the country was hemoraging money for a decade, only supposedly need major investment when we supposedly have no money?

this scam was 20 years in the making... my advice is don't fall for it.

lets not forget the oil and gas giveaway, conseratively set by the oil companies at €1.8 trillion, to oil companies, owned by the same bondholders who were wrongly repaid their gambling losses, who also bankroll the IMF, the rothschilds. Sir Evylin De Rothschilds is the Queens financial advisor, who appeared in dublin castle as soon as the odious bail out was in place. much to the glee of enda kenny and his political and corporate mates.

their dinner cost us €30 million, nevermind D O'B getting €300 million in debt write downs by FG, at the tax payers expense also.

how can kenny tell us we're broke exactly? give me a break...

as for Obama, who had the neck to turn up here a month later, in keeping with financial market standards, wall st was giving ireland a €20 billion bad debt write down, until Obama interjected, and stopped that. all part of the co ordinated piling of debt on our country, by unquantifiably influenceal financial market vultures, picking our bones clean, for water rights, fishery and forrestry rights, and royalty free, bargan basement cost oil and gas, with the help of the traitors from the troika parties.

Red Pepper · 13-11-2014 10:13PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Folks, is there anywhere that takes bet on when the next general election will take place?

**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP