**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

renegademaster wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153022267865348&pnref=story

I wonder if she got arrested. If you called a Guard the C word you'd be arrested probably.

listermint wrote: »

Looks like theyve rolled out Joan again.


We are all getting 100 Euro back. something something something. Gave up listening to her drivel.

Via Newstalk.

Thats like castrating you and handing your scrotum back to you which is basically what the last few years of being governed by quislings has been all about. When I think of the ordinary citizen I think of Theon Lovejoy in Game of Thrones. We are governed by sociopaths. Enda almost had me believing him for his first few days in office.

There is so much waste and inefficiency in the state in order to sustain parasites , even more than I ever believed possible. They can fix the leaks from making efficiencies in how Irish Water itself and the rest of the wider bloated state apparatus is run. I have no doubts about that. The people must keep pressure on the eeejits to do this.

steamengine

I agree with metered water charges

VinLieger wrote: »

Reducing consumption obviously wont fix the leakage problems, dunno where you got that idea. Paying for our water by how much we use will reduce the amount of water each of us personally wastes by leaving taps on etc as we will be more conscious of it.

700 million and all the current hassle for a saving of 6% - whilst 40% is lost in the supply - how illogical is that?

In Lonesome Dove

smash wrote: »

She says that the cost to the average family will be less than €200. And they're giving €100 back if you send in your pack... Logical thinking would mean that after this year the prices will probably at least triple because they going to be so far in the red after year one.

I don't get how they came to this figure of under 200 euro for a family of 4. Taking 2 adults and two kids, it is claimed they will pay under 200 euro. Yet two adults will pay more at around 280. Add in another adult and it's more. Can parents not pay anything towards their kids nowadays? I mean they only get a children's allowance to help them. The cost of 4.88 per 1000L is only so high due to all the allowances.

I remember about four years ago brian cowen walking with his family marching them in front of a tv camera for something and his family is fairly young and his wife was pregnant. To think we'll be subsiding situations like this where people would be very much able to pay but allowances will be given because they have kids.

Barely There

shinzon wrote: »

And I never said start again in any of my posts, hand back the insfrastructure to the councils bring in progressive taxation on the ability to pay model bobs your uncle marys your aunt

Shin

Wow that's such a great idea - keep doing it the way we've been doing it for the last 40 years.

What could possibly be wrong with this model?

Let's all have a think.

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

smash wrote: »

She says that the cost to the average family will be less than €200. And they're giving €100 back if you send in your pack... Logical thinking would mean that after this year the prices will probably at least triple because they going to be so far in the red after year one.

It's just a bit of lube on the pool cue...

...but we all know where it's going to go.

Cantona's Collars

I agree with metered water charges

steamengine wrote: »

700 million and all the current hassle for a saving of 6% - whilst 40% is lost in the supply - how illogical is that?

But the government needs the money:rolleyes:,however maybe now they'll have loads when all the moolah that has been squirrelled away by tax evading politicians & people of power for the past 40 years is reclaimed.

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

zerks wrote: »

People are actually using less water now due to the IW campaign,still doesn't solve the problem of the millions of litres leaking into the ground.

You conveniently ignored the elephant in the room as you are so focused on charging people for the bit they use.

I was responding to the 6% figure if you check back through my post history in this thread you will see I have never ignored that figure in fact i quote it quote often as it is part of why we need to pay for our water directly and by usage and no through taxes in my opinion

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

ROCKMAN wrote: »

But surely that's what the Government and Irish Water are doing at the moment working off hypotheticals.. They can't even pick a leakage figure is it 40% 42% 50 % etc and the latest 6 % figure for water conservation is way below the 18% to 25% be flowed around a few weeks ago..

All their sums and future figures are done on If's and But's Or as some would call it Hypotheticals.............

The precentages are estimations there is no way to know exactly how much is being lost unless you wanna go dig up all the pipes and measure it litre by litre, but the estimations are around 42% on average country wide with some areas being as high as 50% and others below 30%

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

This is the fcuking state of Irish politics tbh.

Opposition refusing to answer questions, ref Irish Water, and predictably revert to the usual shıte.

Sinn Fein deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald was suspended from the chamber after becoming embroiled in heated exchanges with Tanaiste Joan Burton.

Amid angry scenes, Labour TD Eric Byrne demanded that Sinn Fein reveal the whereabouts of the bodies of IRA victims.

"Where are the bodies, where are the bodies," Mr Byrne shouted .

Sinn Fein Cork TD Sandra McLellan claimed that the government is consistently refusing to answer questions from the Opposition.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-feins-mary-lou-mcdonald-suspended-from-dail-after-heated-exchanges-over-water-charges-30741863.html

_Kaiser_

I do not want to pay for water in any way

So I see our public representatives are embarrassing themselves again:

Sinn Fein deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald was suspended from the chamber after becoming embroiled in heated exchanges with Tanaiste Joan Burton.

Amid angry scenes, Labour TD Eric Byrne demanded that Sinn Fein reveal the whereabouts of the bodies of IRA victims.

"Where are the bodies, where are the bodies," Mr Byrne shouted.

Sinn Fein Cork TD Sandra McLellan claimed that the government is consistently refusing to answer questions from the Opposition.

After her colleague Ms McDonald refused to take her seat, Ceann Comhairle Sean Barrett suspended the house.

Now is it just me, or does that really sound like something you'd hear in a bloody playground?

I'm getting seriously sick of FG/LAB's refusal to give straight answers to anything and instead resorting to childish name-calling or muppetry like this guy. What SF/IRA/ULA/others may or may not have done during the Troubles has absolutely no relevance to Government being asked to clearly set out the latest IW plan

Earlier, Joan Burton said the priority of the government is to offer people a "modest charge" in relation to water.

She said the full water package has not yet been signed off on but that it will be revealed by Environment Minister Alan Kelly next week.

WTF is the delay for? What's with this "tune in next week" shyte?

Streetwalker

I agree with metered water charges

Disgraceful scenes in leinster house as the establishment attempt to refuse to answer the peoples questions. Shame on them all.

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Im going to play devils advocate and ask the hypthetical again of what if water actually does cost 200+?

That might actually be what it costs minus all the quangoness etc. We really have no idea how much of the tax pot per person goes to pay for water infrastructure and servicing. What then?

This is a serious question and an attempt to start a different discussion and not a jab at the anti side so don't take it as such, just curious what you all think if at the end of the day the base costs of water is a lot more than we all want it to be?

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Labour have entered kamikaze mode imo.

wes

Wait, so she asked a question in regards to Irish water, and Joan Burton came out with questions about bodies. WTF? So basically, instead of answering the question, she deliberately side stepped and its Mary Lou that was suspended, after the other side deliberately kicked things off. Wow, bad show from the government.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

This is the fcuking state of Irish politics tbh.

Opposition refusing to answer questions, ref Irish Water, and predictably revert to the usual shıte.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-feins-mary-lou-mcdonald-suspended-from-dail-after-heated-exchanges-over-water-charges-30741863.html

Barrett and his FG/Labour buddies are making a laughing stock of our national parliament.
A moron roars across the floor at the Sinn Fein person 'where are the bodies, where are the bodies' and MaryLou McDonald gets thrown out of the house.
This is not democracy.
Another question, does anyone know if that moron shouting down McDonald was drunk?

Barely There

Streetwalker wrote: »

Disgraceful scenes in leinster house as The Shinners attempt to refuse to answer the peoples questions. Shame on them all.

FYP

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

VinLieger wrote: »

Im going to play devils advocate and ask the hypthetical again of what if water actually does cost 200+?

It won't stay that for long

And you damn well know that.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

FYP

LOL at you ali boy mk2.

Streetwalker

I agree with metered water charges

Barely There wrote: »

FYP

Well done. What time is school finished at?

Barely There

I love the see the bold Mary Lou getting another bitch-slapping from the Ceann Chomharile.


Lovely stuff.

VinLieger

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tony EH wrote: »

It won't stay that for long

And you damn well know that.

Jesus.... great contribution to an honest attempt to start a proper discussion, if you not willing to engage constructively whats the point?

Again what if the actual cost of water is higher than we all want it or imagine it to be?

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

wes wrote: »

Wait, so she asked a question in regards to Irish water, and Joan Burton came out with questions about bodies. WTF? So basically, instead of answering the question, she deliberately side stepped and its Mary Lou that was suspended, after the other side deliberately kicked things off. Wow, bad show from the government.

That's been going on since this lot formed their government.
Gilmore and Rabbitte routinely roared out 'McConville, McConville' in reply to SF questions on the economy.
It's a shameful joke now.

Daith

VinLieger wrote: »

We really have no idea how much of the tax pot per person goes to pay for water infrastructure and servicing. What then?

Nor would we have any idea of how much your water payment to Irish Water goes towards the water infrastructure. A portion of your money is always going to go fund the business itself. Which is the same as any other utility.

So Irish Water need to be a profitable business and achieve SLAs (I would hope so) for this infrastructure.

Barely There wrote: »

I love the see the bold Mary Lou getting another bitch-slapping from the Ceann Chomharile.


Lovely stuff.

He seems more afraid of her tbh.

Barely There

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's been going on since this lot formed their government.
Gilmore and Rabbitte routinely roared out 'McConville, McConville' in reply to SF questions on the economy.
It's a shameful joke now.

Maybe they'd stop if Gerry and friends fessed up to where she's buried?

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

This is the fcuking state of Irish politics tbh.

Opposition refusing to answer questions, ref Irish Water, and predictably revert to the usual shıte.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-feins-mary-lou-mcdonald-suspended-from-dail-after-heated-exchanges-over-water-charges-30741863.html

That is an absolute disgrace.

How can Barret be allowed to hold his Ceann Comhairle position? he's clearly not an impartial moderator.

Absurd.

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

I love the see the bold Mary Lou getting another bitch-slapping from the Ceann Chomharile.

Lovely stuff.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057323850

_Kaiser_

I do not want to pay for water in any way

VinLieger wrote: »

Jesus.... great contribution to an honest attempt to start a proper discussion, if you not willing to engage constructively whats the point?

Again what if the actual cost of water is higher than we all want it or imagine it to be?

It's a valid question to be fair and part of the larger problem - we have no idea what anything costs in this country thanks to everything going into a generic tax pot and doled out apparently randomly depending on what political favours are owed this year.

Even if we got a number saying that water costs say €300 per head... can we actually trust that? What does it include etc?

Considering most government bodies/quangos seem to spend most of their budgets on wages and pensions though I think it's fair to assume that - just like some of the charities - not much makes it to where it's actually needed.

Tony EH

I do not want to pay for water in any way

VinLieger wrote: »

Jesus.... great contribution to an honest attempt to start a proper discussion, if you not willing to engage constructively whats the point?

Again what if the actual cost of water is higher than we all want it or imagine it to be?

You know damn that the bills are going to up.

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Mary Lou asked two straight forward questions to the Tánaiste.

1, would Irish Water, and water charges be abolished as this is what the people clearly want?

2, Would legislation be pushed through the Dail on Friday, legislating money to be forcibly deducted from wages, pensions and SW.

Burton refused point blank to answer either question, and Byrne, rushing to her aid (and cause a distraction) starts asking about bodies.

It's a bloody farce is what it is. This govt are clearly not fit for purpose :mad:

Streetwalker

I agree with metered water charges

Barely There wrote: »

I love the see the bold Mary Lou getting another bitch-slapping from the Ceann Chomharile.


Lovely stuff.

You mean you don't like democracy? Because that's how a democracy should work.

You ask a question and the opposition/government answer the question. What we are getting at the moment is the government/media in panic mode over SF's rise in the polls and possible involvement in the next government so every time a legitimate is asked we get an answer about the troubles and not an actual answer to the question.