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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Why would i complain to the gardai about something that happened in the UK

    WOW!
    Sure say nothing, eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    WOW!
    Sure say nothing, eh?

    True enough, didn't work for Adams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    From your last 3 posts about me....

    "You have previously posted laughable rubbish"


    "I think you need some help or counselling".


    "not interested in the Fr's demented ramblings"


    "Not the first time you have thrown your toys out of the pram like that."



    And then you actually have the cheek to accuse me of personal abuse?
    Seriously?

    BTW, It's quite your obvious hatred of all things Sinn Fein has been there for a long time.
    40 years? What a long time to be so bitter. I feel nothing but pity for you.

    So the British legion can count on your support this year? Where shall i send your poppy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    WOW!
    Sure say nothing, eh?

    That didn't answer my question, why would i ask the gardai to investigate a crime that happened in the UK?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    That didn't answer my question, why would i ask the gardai to investigate a crime that happened in the UK?

    Don't confuse Ms. Ned with common sense.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    True enough, didn't work for Adams.
    What didn't work? He doesn't technically have to answer anything as he's been actually charged with **** all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    That didn't answer my question, why would i ask the gardai to investigate a crime that happened in the UK?

    Well, you would report your concerns to the Gardai and they would contact their counterparts in the UK, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    Has anyone mentioned that Maria Cahill is a dissident republican? Amazing really that through all the coverage there was not one mention of her own politics.

    (coverage doesnt seem to have worked either, based on the latest poll)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Has anyone mentioned that Maria Cahill is a dissident republican? Amazing really that through all the coverage there was not one mention of her own politics.

    Dissident?
    As in against the peace process and the path that Sinn Fein took to secure that?
    Have you a source for that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    So what if she is? How does her politics affect her abuse, the veracity of which is accepted by Sinn Fein TDs? They also admit the truth of the existence of kangaroo courts.

    SF supporters are doing themselves no favours with this character assassination.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Dissident?
    As in against the peace process and the path that Sinn Fein took to secure that?
    Yes, she left SF in 2007 over their decision to recognise and support the PSNI. She is a former senior member of Republican Network for Unity (I dunno if she is still with them).

    In between posts about their "POWs" in Maghaberry there is this press release about the case:
    In recent weeks, the case of Maíria Cahill hasn’t been far from the public eye. Cast into the domain via a multitude of media outlets. It seems that every paper, radio and news channel has covered in since it was exposed a few weeks ago.
    We have witnessed thousands come out in support for Maíria and her quest for justice, and sadly we have witnessed many come out, usually hiding behind a pseudonym in an attempt to tarnish Maíria and the wider Cahill family. Those who have hid behind fake social media profiles to attack a victim of serious sexual abuse are nothing short of disgraceful.
    Republican Network for Unity would like to put on record that we support Maíria Cahill and recognise her right to gain contentment in any way she sees fit.
    Over the last 45 years many within working class Republican communities turned to the Republican movement to deal with policing issues, and we realise this is because a policing vacuum has always existed in our society, anyone who attempts to fill that gap is duty bound to do so with the rights of the victim being primary and the rights of the movement next. The Provisional movement should have handled this case, and many other sexual abuse cases in a much more respectful, dignified and professional way, however they failed to do so, causing a great deal of distress to a young Maíria and her family.
    The Provisional movement must admit their role in covering up her abuse and protecting her abuser, in an attempt to protect their own name. We understand that in the context of a long and exhausting war that mistakes are inevitable and no movement is without its faults. However, the Provisional movement must offer Maíria some consolation and attempt to right their wrongs.
    This week in Leinster House, Gerry Adams offered a sincere apology to those who were wronged by the Provisional movement when it came to the investigation of sex abuse, however he refused to offer individual apologies. Gerry and his colleagues must go one step further and apologise to the victims who have come forward to tell of their tragedy.
    A full apology must be offered to Maíria and her family for the trauma that was forced upon them. This apology must be unconditional and recognise that Maíria is a victim who has been gravely wronged by the Provisional movement. Maíria gave a significant period of her life to Republican activism, and like any individual on this island she deserves the justice she seeks.
    http://www.republicanunity.org/press-release-the-mairia-cahill-case/

    RNU would be very sympathetic to the armed group ONH, some say they are their political wing, but I dunno about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Has anyone mentioned that Maria Cahill is a dissident republican? Amazing really that through all the coverage there was not one mention of her own politics.

    (coverage doesnt seem to have worked either, based on the latest poll)

    Anyone in the 'republican community' who falls outside the SF fold these days is painted as a 'dissident' - witness the farcical SF manoeuvrings around the pork barrel of Casement Stadium. Local opposition to the development was framed by SF as being the product of 'dissidents', but the tactic fell rather flat, and only served to further undermine the credibility of SF in their heartland.

    There's not a shred of any dissidence in Cahill's politics - she's cookie cutter mainstream republican, who just happens to have been shafted by the party she held alliegence to in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    conorh91 wrote: »
    So what if she is? How does her politics affect her abuse, the veracity of which is accepted by Sinn Fein TDs? They also admit the truth of the existence of kangaroo courts.

    SF supporters are doing themselves no favours with this character assassination.
    You dont think its strange that her politics have got zero mention at all?

    Her political beliefs are central to it - particularly her support for policing both at the time of the alleged abuse and now.


    If one is of a cynical disposition they may feel that perhaps her politics are the reason she collapsed the legal case and has opted for a media "kangaroo court" instead. Its not often you see RNU singing off the same hymn sheet as the Indo, the DUP, FF, FG and others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Well, you would report your concerns to the Gardai and they would contact their counterparts in the UK, no?

    Well then maybe you should head to.America and tell the NYPD that you suspect Enda Kenny covered up child abuse in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    alastair wrote: »
    Anyone in the 'republican community' who falls outside the SF fold these days is painted as a 'dissident' - witness the farcical SF manoeuvrings around the pork barrel of Casement Stadium. Local opposition to the development was framed by SF as being the product of 'dissidents', but the tactic fell rather flat, and only served to further undermine the credibility of SF in their heartland.

    There's not a shred of any dissidence in Cahill's politics - she's cookie cutter mainstream republican, who just happens to have been shafted by the party she held alliegence to in the past.
    So you would not label RNU as being "dissident"? If I started a thread about the harassment RNU members have gotten from the PSNI with tracking devices etc you would accuse me of supporting dissidents.

    RNU are not mainstream republican


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Godge wrote: »
    Albert Reynolds was not convicted in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt of doing anything wrong.

    Brendan Comiskey was not convicted in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt of doing anything wrong.

    In both cases, they protested their innocence at length and in Albert Reynold's case he went to the grave convinced he was removed as Taoiseach unfairly.

    A lot of people are falling into the trap of suggesting that Gerry Adams should only be subject to the standard of whether he has committed a crime. That is not the standard applied to public figures. Charles Haughey, Bertie Ahern, Albert Reynolds, Alan Shatter, the list goes on of politicians who were never convicted in a court of law but who were forced into resignation. Gerry Adams TD is not Gerry Adams, ordinary Joe Soap, and like it or not, different standards apply.

    The question the general public have is whether Gerry Adams and SF/IRA did and are doing everything in their power to ensure that rapists and child sexual abusers that were members of the SF and/or IRA organisation and which were let go across the border to reoffend, are caught and brought to justice by the Gardai and the PSNI. It is not enough as the SF MLA tried to say earlier today that she doesn't know of any details. Well, the general public isn't stupid. They know that if Gerry Adams doesn't know who these rapists are, he knows the people who know who the rapists are and he can get that information with a quick phone call and give it to the Gardai and the social services. The failure of SF/IRA to do that to date shows the contempt that they have for the nation's children. And nobody needs a court of law to be able to reach that conclusion.

    Finally, I really don't care whether Gerry Adams stays or goes, I have no respect for the man one way or another (since the Liam Adams case). What I do care about is that the names of the rapists and sex abusers expelled by SF/IRA are given to the Gardai and the social services.

    Succesive Irish governments colluded with the CC for decades.To cover up mass sexual abuse.

    The church moved on the serial abusers.

    They ended up plying their abuse,not only in this country,but all over the world.

    The US,Africa,Asia, the UK.

    You have an agenda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Yes, she left SF in 2007 over their decision to recognise and support the PSNI. She is a former senior member of Republican Network for Unity (I dunno if she is still with them).

    In between posts about their "POWs" in Maghaberry there is this press release about the case:


    http://www.republicanunity.org/press-release-the-mairia-cahill-case/

    RNU would be very sympathetic to the armed group ONH, some say they are their political wing, but I dunno about that.

    Can anyone confirm that Maria Cahill is a member of a group who have this in their 'about us' section?


    "RNU oppose the Dublin and Stormont parliaments as counter revolutionary bodies tasked with promoting the partition of Ireland and maintaining domestic and foreign capitalism in this country.

    We do not accept the legitimacy of An Garda Síochána or the RUC/PSNI, both are deeply Political Police forces whose main objective remains the crushing of revolutionary sentiment in Ireland north and south."

    Now, what allegedly happened to her was a disgrace.
    But, if she's aligned to this group it kind of shows up her true motives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    Have to laugh at the results of todays opinion polls:

    Adams is still a more popular leader than Kenny and Martin. No change in SFs popularity in one poll, down three (in margin of error) in the other.

    Might want to go back to the drawing board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm that Maria Cahill is a member of a group who have this in their 'abut us' section?

    RNU oppose the Dublin and Stormont parliaments as counter revolutionary bodies tasked with promoting the partition of Ireland and maintaining domestic and foreign capitalism in this country.

    We do not accept the legitimacy of An Garda Síochána or the RUC/PSNI, both are deeply Political Police forces whose main objective remains the crushing of revolutionary sentiment in Ireland north and south.
    She was secretary in 2010/11 which is a senior position. I dont know if she is still a member (RNU dont publish membership lists), maybe someone should ask her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    You dont think its strange that her politics have got zero mention at all?
    Lets say a survivor of child sexual abuse in a Catholic institution goes on to campaign against the Catholic Church, and joins a radical communist outfit.

    Do you believe Catholic bishops would be correct in publicly adverting to that survivor's politics?

    We have a crazy tradition in this country of dragging rape victims through the mud, but it's nice to see some of the media have decided not to, on this occasion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    That should read, secretary of their ard comhairle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    alastair wrote: »
    Anyone in the 'republican community' who falls outside the SF fold these days is painted as a 'dissident' - witness the farcical SF manoeuvrings around the pork barrel of Casement Stadium. Local opposition to the development was framed by SF as being the product of 'dissidents', but the tactic fell rather flat, and only served to further undermine the credibility of SF in their heartland.

    There's not a shred of any dissidence in Cahill's politics - she's cookie cutter mainstream republican, who just happens to have been shafted by the party she held alliegence to in the past.

    You c


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    She was secretary in 2010/11 which is a senior position. I dont know if she is still a member (RNU dont publish membership lists), maybe someone should ask her.

    Looks like this is really going to blow up in Michael martins and enda kennys faces.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    She was secretary in 2010/11 which is a senior position. I dont know if she is still a member (RNU dont publish membership lists), maybe someone should ask her.

    Well, if this is true and I stress the word 'if', there'll be a few red faces around, not least the leaders of FG and FFail who are now seen to be in full support of a dissident republican.
    Oh dear, what a tangled web we weave.....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Well, if this is true and I stress the word 'if', there'll be a few red faces around, not least the leaders of FG and FFail who are now seen to be in full support of a dissident republican.
    Oh dear, what a tangled web we weave.....

    And maybe a few Mods on here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    Looks like this is really going to blow up in Michael martins and enda kennys faces.
    Yep, and in her time as secretary to RNUs ard comhairle she spent a lot of time accusing people, including prisoners (or pows as she would call them) of being touts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    alastair wrote: »
    Anyone in the 'republican community' who falls outside the SF fold these days is painted as a 'dissident' - witness the farcical SF manoeuvrings around the pork barrel of Casement Stadium. Local opposition to the development was framed by SF as being the product of 'dissidents', but the tactic fell rather flat, and only served to further undermine the credibility of SF in their heartland.

    There's not a shred of any dissidence in Cahill's politics - she's cookie cutter mainstream republican, who just happens to have been shafted by the party she held alliegence to in the past.

    Her relationship to a prominent hack in the Sindo,should be taken into account.

    Eilis O'Hanlon

    The bottom line is that MC is being manipulated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Tramps Like Us


    gladrags wrote: »
    Her relationship to a prominent hack in the Sindo,should be taken into account.

    Eilis O'Hanlon

    The bottom line is that MC is being manipulated.
    She's no fool, I'm sure she recognises that, her politics means that she would have no time for Kenny and Martin, never mind Robinson. The question is, why is she going along with it? Why did she collapse the trial?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    conorh91 wrote: »


    We have a crazy tradition in this country of dragging rape victims through the mud, but it's nice to see some of the media have decided not to, on this occasion.

    Potentially, we have a 'victim' who pulled out of the trial of her alleged attacker, who has made claims against people who were acquitted of the charge of being involved in an alleged 'kangaroo court' and the leadership of Sinn Fein, being invited to meet the leaders of both FFail and FG while all the time being part of a dissident group that wants to destroy the peace process.

    I say 'potentially' because at the moment neither you nor I know any different.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    gladrags wrote: »
    Her relationship to a prominent hack in the Sindo,should be taken into account.

    Eilis O'Hanlon

    The bottom line is that MC is being manipulated.

    We don't have the media to ask the questions in this country!

    Just the likes of pat Kenny and Joe Duffy spewing out the Fianna fail/fine gael party line, to keep themselves in cushy well paid jobs!

    If this is true about her being a member of that organization, well see how quick the newspapers and DOB's INM drop this story.


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