remove that niqab or leave!

BrokenHero · 21-10-2014 05:05PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Big deal. How many times did people rob banks wearing fancy dress masks? Should we arrest everyone at Halloween parties?

Yeah, cause that's the same thing.

Look, if I wear a Michael Myers mask down to the Gaiety tonight, I will expect to be asked to remove it.

How many crimes were committed by people wearing hoodies? Should we start fining moody teenagers outside shopping centres?

I have already made it clear that I endorse the banning of some teens wearing hoodies anywhere by the judge in the link I posted earlier today.

I have often ran into the doorway of a venue during a blizzard, or when it was snowing, with a scarf covering my face and a hoodie up and as soon as I put my hand on the door I would whip the scarf off and hoodie down with my other hand as I know that inside that room people will want to glance at me for security reasons.

Muslims that don't appreciate that, need to begin to.

Hitchens · 21-10-2014 05:09PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, like wearing a veil.

irony is lost on you

hoodwinked · 21-10-2014 05:12PM

BrokenHero wrote: »

I have often ran into the doorway of a venue during a blizzard, or when it was snowing, with a scarf covering my face and a hoodie up and as soon as I put my hand on the door I would whip the scarf off and hoodie down with my other hand as I know that inside that room people will want to glance at me for security reasons.

oh that is ridiculous, you are assuming everyone is a paranoid wreck, i have often in winter went in to a shop to buy something wearing a scarf covering my face up over my nose and my hat down over my ears, sometimes unless i got too warm inside i wouldn't bother removing them especially if i'm just popping in and out to buy something, nothing was ever said nor did the shop assistants ever ask me to remove them,
this is just a fear of a religion manifesting itself by blaming an item they wear

and i find it funny to see people on here complaining about the fact in "their" country they wouldn't let us wear what we want, yet they are on here arguing they are not allowed to wear what they want here. why would we WANT to be like those countries telling people what they can and cannot wear?

the way i see it, if (and thats a big if) the day ever comes they try and force me to wear a niqab, then i will stand up and fight for my right to wear what i want, until then i am going to leave them wear what they want.

crockholm · 21-10-2014 05:17PM

chatperche wrote: »

My own experience Nodin, in my own country, France. Being told i was a slût and cover up because I was insulting Allah. because I was wearing a mini-skirt, in broad day light in one Paris'suburbs.
The number of posters spouting out multi culturalism rubbish and that have no experience of modern day France is staggering!

Unfortunately not just restricted to Paris, a poster no longer posting left a youtube clip of the same shyte being said to a Flemish girl (who was secretly recording) in Bruxelles,and I know women who experienced it in Sweden too.

While we have Heard many posters voicing their concerns about women being trapped Indoors because the are uncomfortable with not being able to use a cultural,rather than religious,garment-I don't Believe we have Heard of the Foundation "Ni putes,Ni soumises"-neither whores,nor submissives- being mentioned.

Many of the women in that Group have witnessed intimidation from within the banlieues for not wearing "modest" clothing.

Now,as hard as it is to trample on a persons Liberty,people have to decide who is in need of greater protection here?

end of the road · 21-10-2014 05:22PM

Hitchens wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799981/woman-thrown-paris-opera-cast-refused-perform-unless-removed-muslim-veil.html

Fair play to the cast of the opera and the security people for upholding the law.

Hopefully, we would do the same here!

Allez France!

not fair play to these bigoted racist vermin at all. hopefully such bigoted racist filth never happens in a modern thinking country like ireland. we've moved on

Nodin · 21-10-2014 05:24PM

crockholm wrote: »

Unfortunately not just restricted to Paris, a poster no longer posting left a youtube clip of the same shyte being said to a Flemish girl (who was secretly recording) in Bruxelles,and I know women who experienced it in Sweden too.

While we have Heard many posters voicing their concerns about women being trapped Indoors because the are uncomfortable with not being able to use a cultural,rather than religious,garment-I don't Believe we have Heard of the Foundation "Ni putes,Ni soumises"-neither whores,nor submissives- being mentioned.

Many of the women in that Group have witnessed intimidation from within the banlieues for not wearing "modest" clothing.

Now,as hard as it is to trample on a persons Liberty,people have to decide who is in need of greater protection here?

Why choose? Protect everyone.

BrokenHero · 21-10-2014 05:25PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

oh that is ridiculous, you are assuming everyone is a paranoid wreck,

I am not assuming anything. I have worked in retail and I would not be comfortable if someone came, and because of how they where wearing their scarf and hat, all I could see was their eyes.

i have often in winter went in to a shop to buy something wearing a scarf covering my face up over my nose and my hat down over my ears, sometimes unless i got too warm inside i wouldn't bother removing them especially if i'm just popping in and out to buy something, nothing was ever said nor did the shop assistants ever ask me to remove them,

Have you ever gone into a bank wearing your scarf up over your nose and your hat down over your ears? Would you sit in a theater like that?

this is just a fear of a religion manifesting itself by blaming an item they wear.

Yes, we're all racists really, just afraid of the Muslims and we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.

end of the road · 21-10-2014 05:27PM

UnitedWeStand wrote: »

So it becomes a pathetic game of tit for tat then? Its amazing how some people think our culture is the best in the world, which to be fair it probably is thanks to democracy, free speech and freedom to practice beliefs without persecution - But they then miss the whole point of our culture and believe we should act how the cultures they despise as a way of treating muslims. Countries such as Saudi Arabia or "Muslim country" as you as you state broadly. These countries have yet to evolve proper democracy's free from local religious boundaries. It will take a lot of them time.

Don't treat ordinary Muslims in a childish "payback" way for the way a select few Middle Eastern governments act. "We wouldn't get away with that over there!" is a very tame, underdeveloped and underthought way of viewing things.

exactly, its just an excuse for the self entitled to whine about the fact they can't do what they like in someone elses country so they should be able to treat people from that country like rubbish.

FTA69 · 21-10-2014 05:28PM

BrokenHero wrote: »

Yeah, cause that's the same thing.
.

It is really. You linked to a story where a man used a niqab to rob a bank, you were insinuating that a ban on the veil is needed for security reasons. Someone could just as easily rob a bank wearing a Scooby Doo costume, or a rubber Halloween mask, or a cyclists filter mask. I often see Chinese people in Central London wearing dust masks, should we arrest and fine them as well? After all, they could easily use their concealment to commit a crime.

If you want to argue against the niqab then do so, but don't pretend it's under the guise of security and an anti-crime measure.

end of the road · 21-10-2014 05:30PM

Rory28 wrote: »

Are you saying if I went over to Saudi with a same sex partner it would be all sun shine and roses? Hardly.

so if a same sex couple came from saudi to here should we treat them as they would be treated in saudi? great. another step backwards for ireland. you know what your getting in these countries so don't go. meanwhile ireland is a free and democratic country and one wearing something over their heads for religious reasons is a non issue. any imaginary security issues are taken care of by the guards being able to ask someone to remove if they need to talk to them.

hoodwinked · 21-10-2014 05:31PM

BrokenHero wrote: »

I am not assuming anything. I have worked in retail and I would not be comfortable if someone came, and because of how they where wearing their scarf and hat, all I could see was their eyes.

i too have worked in retail and i wouldn't be bothered if someone came in and all i could see was their eyes,

BrokenHero wrote: »

Have you ever gone into a bank wearing your scarf up over your nose and your hat down over your ears? Would you sit in a theater like that?

the problem being anytime i have been in a bank i have been in there for at least 30 minutes same applies to a theater, but i have seen people in niqabs in my local bank and funnily enough they just conducted their business and left.... no hassles at all.

BrokenHero wrote: »

Yes, we're all racists really, just afraid of the Muslims and we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.

quoting scooby doo....what a great way to make your argument nobody in that cartoon ever wore what they wanted (aka a mask :pac: )

end of the road · 21-10-2014 05:34PM

BrokenHero wrote: »

Yeah, cause that's the same thing.

Look, if I wear a Michael Myers mask down to the Gaiety tonight, I will expect to be asked to remove it.

I have already made it clear that I endorse the banning of some teens wearing hoodies anywhere by the judge in the link I posted earlier today.

I have often ran into the doorway of a venue during a blizzard, or when it was snowing, with a scarf covering my face and a hoodie up and as soon as I put my hand on the door I would whip the scarf off and hoodie down with my other hand as I know that inside that room people will want to glance at me for security reasons.

Muslims that don't appreciate that, need to begin to.

they don't. the "security" reasons are just made up to keep the gutter rag readers happy. the guards can ask one to remove if they need to talk to them. the rest of us, have to put up with it

branie2 · 21-10-2014 05:35PM

The niqap or even any other head covering isn't even mentioned in the Koran.

BrokenHero · 21-10-2014 05:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Someone could just as easily rob a bank wearing a Scooby Doo costume, or a rubber Halloween mask, or a cyclists filter mask. I often see Chinese people in Central London wearing dust masks, should we arrest and fine them as well? After all, they could easily use their concealment to commit a crime.

That's what I have been saying!

Which is why you would be asked to leave a bank if you tried to go in wearing Scooby Doo mask or a rubber Halloween mask. I love how you're trying to retort my points with examples I have used myself. Hell, Michael Myers is the most famous Halloween mask.

If you want to argue against the niqab then do so, but don't pretend it's under the guise of security and an anti-crime measure.

So do tell. What's the real reason?

My name is URL · 21-10-2014 05:41PM

The English Defense League and other garden variety racist groups usually pretend they want the Niqab etc banned for security reasons too.. doesn't take a genius to see through their act though.

BrokenHero · 21-10-2014 05:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

they don't. the "security" reasons are just made up to keep the gutter rag readers happy.

But The Guardian are against the ban.

Deenie123 · 21-10-2014 05:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You would check out laws relating to what you are doing. If I'm going to a country on a stag Id check out laws surrounding public drunkeness, age of consent to drink, bar and club closing times. Things that affect me.

When I was going to America I knew not to jay-walk, even though that law doesn't make the newspapers very often over here.

I know someone who was arrested for J-walking. Tried to plead genuine ignorance at the scene, but was arrested and brought to the police station. He just about managed to get away with a slap on the wrist.

So I don't think ignorance of the law is ever really fully accepted as an excuse to break the law. Like this woman, he wasn't prosecuted or any charges brought. Knows the law now though! If there's reasonable doubt that you knew about it and it's not a serious offence and you don't start acting the bollocks you will probably be sent away with a slap on the wrist in western society. Which is what this lady deservedly got for breaking the law of the country in which she was.

nokia69 · 21-10-2014 05:48PM

its not a big problem in Ireland yet, so far I have only seen 5 or six women wearing it

but we seem hell bent of making the very same mistakes as the rest of Europe when it comes to the religion of peace

RobYourBuilder · 21-10-2014 05:51PM

end of the road wrote: »

not fair play to these bigoted racist vermin at all. hopefully such bigoted racist filth never happens in a modern thinking country like ireland. we've moved on

Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire.

Nodin · 21-10-2014 05:54PM

nokia69 wrote: »

its not a big problem in Ireland yet, so far I have only seen 5 or six women wearing it

but we seem hell bent of making the very same mistakes as the rest of Europe when it comes to the religion of peace

Do please explain.

PeteFalk78 · 21-10-2014 05:54PM

end of the road wrote: »

they don't. the "security" reasons are just made up to keep the gutter rag readers happy. the guards can ask one to remove if they need to talk to them. the rest of us, have to put up with it

Yes because all matters of policing, national security and counter-terrorism are dealt with by "guards" on the ground. :rolleyes:

RobYourBuilder · 21-10-2014 05:58PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Amazing how so many on here are afraid of a little woman in a veil yet will laud the actions of balaclava clad terrorists sand call them freedom fighters

What balaclava clad terrorists? Freedom fighters?

nokia69 · 21-10-2014 06:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

Do please explain.

well for example we are letting the saudis build and control mosques in Ireland

this is a very bad idea

just look at the rest of Europe, in time we will have the very same problems

Nodin · 21-10-2014 06:05PM

nokia69 wrote: »

well for example we are letting the saudis build and control mosques in Ireland

this is a very bad idea

just look at the rest of Europe, in time we will have the very same problems

What problems? You could swear half of the place was burnt to the ground.

nokia69 · 21-10-2014 06:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

What problems? You could swear half of the place was burnt to the ground.

someone like you can't see or will never admit that there are any problems

you must be either a muslim or part of the looney left

BrokenHero · 21-10-2014 06:08PM

If all Muslims had total and utter respect for the Burka / Niqab and would never ever use it for scurrilous purposes and there was no history of them ever having done so, well then I could see maybe some argument for accusing people who support it's banning of being paranoid but unfortunately that's just not the case:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8571918.stm
theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/20/terrorism.world1

branie2 wrote: »

The niqap or even any other head covering isn't even mentioned in the Koran.

Indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVsCXTLVpg

Nodin · 21-10-2014 06:09PM

nokia69 wrote: »

someone like you can't see or will never admit that there are any problems

you must be either a muslim or part of the looney left

Or - mad idea - maybe the problems aren't as major as they are made out to be.

branie2 · 21-10-2014 06:17PM

BrokenHero wrote: »

If all Muslims had total and utter respect for the Burka / Niqab and would never ever use it for scurrilous purposes and there was no history of them ever having done so, well then I could see maybe some argument for accusing people who support it's banning of being paranoid but unfortunately that's just not the case:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8571918.stm
theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/20/terrorism.world1

Indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVsCXTLVpg

Thank you BrokenHero :-)

pablo128 · 21-10-2014 06:24PM

Carry wrote: »

Oh, i did, as we all do in AH, don't we, dear?

I think that a woman forced to adhere to a dress code, be it by religion, by culture, by fashion or by horny men, or even by law, should actually do as she pleases and show them the finger.

Going to the opera in a traditional attire of which origin whatsowever certainly is no threat to western culture. But then the French tend to overdo things. It's all opera to them
And the virtual Irish like to do as the French do ... not much success outside of Boards, though.

Btw, I once was looked upon with disdain and nearly thrown out when I went to a performance in an opera house in jeans. Jeans! Imagine that! How outrageous and high-brow culture-threatening!

I hate it, when men AND the law are telling women what to wear in societies which pride themselves of democratic freedom. *

Looking at some men I sometimes secretely wish there would be a law for niqabs for them - or at least a paper bag.

*It's different in cases of identy, though, no question about that.

If you were invited to a wedding and told it was formal wear only, what would you do?

Defender OF Faith · 21-10-2014 06:27PM

Hitchens wrote: »

but what if you like kissing in the street?

what harm would you be doing to anyone?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I wouldn't see any harm in it, the same as i wouldn't see any harm in a woman wearing a veil. I wonder if a bride could be arrested and fined in France if she got caught on the street in her wedding dress with her veil down.

Going with that logic why dont you go & drink your father sperm? I mean there is no harm in it right? two people of the same sex kissing on the street is something that is naturally repulsive to most people just watch this social experiment

Note that this was done in the US a secular state that claim to be open & accepting to homosexuality, so imagine doing this in a Muslim state

remove that niqab or leave!

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