FTA69 wrote: » Big deal. How many times did people rob banks wearing fancy dress masks? Should we arrest everyone at Halloween parties?
How many crimes were committed by people wearing hoodies? Should we start fining moody teenagers outside shopping centres?
Nodin wrote: » Yeah, like wearing a veil.
BrokenHero wrote: » I have often ran into the doorway of a venue during a blizzard, or when it was snowing, with a scarf covering my face and a hoodie up and as soon as I put my hand on the door I would whip the scarf off and hoodie down with my other hand as I know that inside that room people will want to glance at me for security reasons.
chatperche wrote: » My own experience Nodin, in my own country, France. Being told i was a slût and cover up because I was insulting Allah. because I was wearing a mini-skirt, in broad day light in one Paris'suburbs. The number of posters spouting out multi culturalism rubbish and that have no experience of modern day France is staggering!
Hitchens wrote: » http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799981/woman-thrown-paris-opera-cast-refused-perform-unless-removed-muslim-veil.html Fair play to the cast of the opera and the security people for upholding the law. Hopefully, we would do the same here! Allez France!
crockholm wrote: » Unfortunately not just restricted to Paris, a poster no longer posting left a youtube clip of the same shyte being said to a Flemish girl (who was secretly recording) in Bruxelles,and I know women who experienced it in Sweden too. While we have Heard many posters voicing their concerns about women being trapped Indoors because the are uncomfortable with not being able to use a cultural,rather than religious,garment-I don't Believe we have Heard of the Foundation "Ni putes,Ni soumises"-neither whores,nor submissives- being mentioned. Many of the women in that Group have witnessed intimidation from within the banlieues for not wearing "modest" clothing. Now,as hard as it is to trample on a persons Liberty,people have to decide who is in need of greater protection here?
hoodwinked wrote: » oh that is ridiculous, you are assuming everyone is a paranoid wreck,
i have often in winter went in to a shop to buy something wearing a scarf covering my face up over my nose and my hat down over my ears, sometimes unless i got too warm inside i wouldn't bother removing them especially if i'm just popping in and out to buy something, nothing was ever said nor did the shop assistants ever ask me to remove them,
this is just a fear of a religion manifesting itself by blaming an item they wear.
UnitedWeStand wrote: » So it becomes a pathetic game of tit for tat then? Its amazing how some people think our culture is the best in the world, which to be fair it probably is thanks to democracy, free speech and freedom to practice beliefs without persecution - But they then miss the whole point of our culture and believe we should act how the cultures they despise as a way of treating muslims. Countries such as Saudi Arabia or "Muslim country" as you as you state broadly. These countries have yet to evolve proper democracy's free from local religious boundaries. It will take a lot of them time. Don't treat ordinary Muslims in a childish "payback" way for the way a select few Middle Eastern governments act. "We wouldn't get away with that over there!" is a very tame, underdeveloped and underthought way of viewing things.
BrokenHero wrote: » Yeah, cause that's the same thing. .
Rory28 wrote: » Are you saying if I went over to Saudi with a same sex partner it would be all sun shine and roses? Hardly.
BrokenHero wrote: » I am not assuming anything. I have worked in retail and I would not be comfortable if someone came, and because of how they where wearing their scarf and hat, all I could see was their eyes.
BrokenHero wrote: » Have you ever gone into a bank wearing your scarf up over your nose and your hat down over your ears? Would you sit in a theater like that?
BrokenHero wrote: » Yes, we're all racists really, just afraid of the Muslims and we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.
BrokenHero wrote: » Yeah, cause that's the same thing. Look, if I wear a Michael Myers mask down to the Gaiety tonight, I will expect to be asked to remove it. I have already made it clear that I endorse the banning of some teens wearing hoodies anywhere by the judge in the link I posted earlier today. I have often ran into the doorway of a venue during a blizzard, or when it was snowing, with a scarf covering my face and a hoodie up and as soon as I put my hand on the door I would whip the scarf off and hoodie down with my other hand as I know that inside that room people will want to glance at me for security reasons. Muslims that don't appreciate that, need to begin to.
FTA69 wrote: » Someone could just as easily rob a bank wearing a Scooby Doo costume, or a rubber Halloween mask, or a cyclists filter mask. I often see Chinese people in Central London wearing dust masks, should we arrest and fine them as well? After all, they could easily use their concealment to commit a crime.
If you want to argue against the niqab then do so, but don't pretend it's under the guise of security and an anti-crime measure.
end of the road wrote: » they don't. the "security" reasons are just made up to keep the gutter rag readers happy.
weldoninhio wrote: » You would check out laws relating to what you are doing. If I'm going to a country on a stag Id check out laws surrounding public drunkeness, age of consent to drink, bar and club closing times. Things that affect me. When I was going to America I knew not to jay-walk, even though that law doesn't make the newspapers very often over here.
end of the road wrote: » not fair play to these bigoted racist vermin at all. hopefully such bigoted racist filth never happens in a modern thinking country like ireland. we've moved on
nokia69 wrote: » its not a big problem in Ireland yet, so far I have only seen 5 or six women wearing it but we seem hell bent of making the very same mistakes as the rest of Europe when it comes to the religion of peace
end of the road wrote: » they don't. the "security" reasons are just made up to keep the gutter rag readers happy. the guards can ask one to remove if they need to talk to them. the rest of us, have to put up with it
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Amazing how so many on here are afraid of a little woman in a veil yet will laud the actions of balaclava clad terrorists sand call them freedom fighters
Nodin wrote: » Do please explain.
nokia69 wrote: » well for example we are letting the saudis build and control mosques in Ireland this is a very bad idea just look at the rest of Europe, in time we will have the very same problems
Nodin wrote: » What problems? You could swear half of the place was burnt to the ground.
branie2 wrote: » The niqap or even any other head covering isn't even mentioned in the Koran.
nokia69 wrote: » someone like you can't see or will never admit that there are any problems you must be either a muslim or part of the looney left
BrokenHero wrote: » If all Muslims had total and utter respect for the Burka / Niqab and would never ever use it for scurrilous purposes and there was no history of them ever having done so, well then I could see maybe some argument for accusing people who support it's banning of being paranoid but unfortunately that's just not the case: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8571918.stm theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/20/terrorism.world1 Indeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVsCXTLVpg
Carry wrote: » Oh, i did, as we all do in AH, don't we, dear? I think that a woman forced to adhere to a dress code, be it by religion, by culture, by fashion or by horny men, or even by law, should actually do as she pleases and show them the finger. Going to the opera in a traditional attire of which origin whatsowever certainly is no threat to western culture. But then the French tend to overdo things. It's all opera to them And the virtual Irish like to do as the French do ... not much success outside of Boards, though. Btw, I once was looked upon with disdain and nearly thrown out when I went to a performance in an opera house in jeans. Jeans! Imagine that! How outrageous and high-brow culture-threatening! I hate it, when men AND the law are telling women what to wear in societies which pride themselves of democratic freedom. * Looking at some men I sometimes secretely wish there would be a law for niqabs for them - or at least a paper bag. *It's different in cases of identy, though, no question about that.
Hitchens wrote: » but what if you like kissing in the street? what harm would you be doing to anyone?
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » I wouldn't see any harm in it, the same as i wouldn't see any harm in a woman wearing a veil. I wonder if a bride could be arrested and fined in France if she got caught on the street in her wedding dress with her veil down.
