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Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)

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  • #212
    Cabaal
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    Carraig Fhearghais wrote: »
    a vid I took today, possibly tourists as car back window was full of bags etc. takes the 'racing line' & ignores road & sign markings at roundabout. (bad quality vid as I think my dashcam lens has been destroyed by sun & heat, time for a new one I think!)

    New reg, loads of bags,
    Yep good odds its tourists, I guess they took the line to hedge their bets as they were likely unsure of where they were going.

    Anybody like that I hold back to be on the safe side, driving in a different country is never going to go perfectly.


  • #213
    CramCycle
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Anybody like that I hold back to be on the safe side, driving in a different country is never going to go perfectly.

    Oddly enough, driving like that made me think it had to be an Irish driver, they can't all be tourists as I head over the Sandyford/Stepaside/M50 roundabout.


  • #214
    Carraig Fhearghais
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Carraig Fhearghais


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Oddly enough, driving like that made me think it had to be an Irish driver, they can't all be tourists as I head over the Sandyford/Stepaside/M50 roundabout.
    After their hesitation at the traffic lights I thought they may not be too sure where they were going so gave them plenty of space, that plus the Irish reg (may even have been a hire car?) & bags etc in back (video was taken at Mossley, North of Belfast, N.I) made me assume they may not be local to the area.


  • #215
    corktina
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    they were clearly speeding...about 175 mph I reckon


  • #216
    ardle1
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    Carraig Fhearghais wrote: »
    a vid I took today, possibly tourists as car back window was full of bags etc. takes the 'racing line' & ignores road & sign markings at roundabout. (bad quality vid as I think my dashcam lens has been destroyed by sun & heat, time for a new one I think!)

    Well, a bit confused but at least they're indicating, obviously not locals and your keeping your distance and not putting them under pressure:)


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  • #217
    RustyNut
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    This is one way to take a roundabout :eek:


  • #218
    Caliden
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    ardle1 wrote: »
    Well, a bit confused but at least they're indicating, obviously not locals and your keeping your distance and not putting them under pressure:)

    +1 on them indicating.

    It wouldn't bother me if someone was in the completely wrong lane if they indicated so I knew what they were doing.

    Of course if they know what they're doing and take the wrong lane on purpose to save time then I still get angry :)


  • #219
    Gasherbraun
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    Well the use of roundabouts in Ireland is not great but just be thankful that there are no 'magic roundabouts' here...

    They actually work quite well when you get the hang of them with the mini roundabouts acting as normal but you circulate the main central roundabout anticlockwise. I used the one in Hemel daily but had a colleague who would go miles out of her way to avoid it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9zrOWt8Ee8

    It was voted the second scariest roundabout in the UK after the Hanger Lane gyratory system that was also on my daily commute for years.

    Both of them felt safer to most roundabouts in Ireland where the 'random factor' just adds too much excitement for my taste ;)


  • #220
    corktina
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    Gasherbraun wrote: »
    Well the use of roundabouts in Ireland is not great but just be thankful that there are no 'magic roundabouts' here...

    They actually work quite well when you get the hang of them with the mini roundabouts acting as normal but you circulate the main central roundabout anticlockwise. I used the one in Hemel daily but had a colleague who would go miles out of her way to avoid it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9zrOWt8Ee8

    It was voted the second scariest roundabout in the UK after the Hanger Lane gyratory system that was also on my daily commute for years.

    Both of them felt safer to most roundabouts in Ireland where the 'random factor' just adds too much excitement for my taste ;)

    They aren't at all scary in reality because what you do is ignore the whole and just negotiate one mini at a time.


  • #221
    Gasherbraun
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    corktina wrote: »
    They aren't at all scary in reality because what you do is ignore the whole and just negotiate one mini at a time.

    Agreed but you do need a grasp of the basics on roundabouts to start with.....if you do not have that then carnage would ensue :-)

    I never knew why they did not do more of them in the UK. Both the Hemel one and the one in Swindon kept traffic moving well - the one in Hemel had several major roads coming onto it and you rarely had to queue.


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  • #222
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    Gasherbraun wrote: »
    Agreed but you do need a grasp of the basics on roundabouts to start with.....if you do not have that then carnage would ensue :-)

    I never knew why they did not do more of them in the UK. Both the Hemel one and the one in Swindon kept traffic moving well - the one in Hemel had several major roads coming onto it and you rarely had to queue.
    Ireland could really learn from the UK here father than just loading up junctions with traffic lights that are poorly designed and leave a huge amount of "passing gas" time while holding up everyone including pedestrians (Athlone has a few prime examples :mad:). Port Laoise is one of the few towns that use roundabouts instead of lights and the flow if quite substantial but slow. I dread to think what it would be like if these roundabouts were replaced with lights.


  • #223
    corktina
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    the one thing you notice about that UK roundabout is how clearly it is marked out. In addition UK motorists generally know to indicate and anticipate


  • #224
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    corktina wrote: »
    the one thing you notice about that UK roundabout is how clearly it is marked out. In addition UK motorists generally know to indicate and anticipate
    Motorists in Milton Keynes have it down to a fine art, I used to live there.
    First time in the city, an estate agent took me to view a couple of flats and he was taking the roundabouts at 60mph :eek:.

    After a few weeks I was doing the same! :o


  • #225
    BohsCeltic
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CnYT36i9cA


  • #226
    BohsCeltic
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    Same roundabout again but two cars all over the place.
    The bmw takes the racing line at the third roundabout aswell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1V8_BW_xdc


  • #227
    dashcamdanny
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    I dont have a problem with taking the racing line at a roundabout, as long as one has space to do it.

    The broken lines on the roundabout would give me the go-ahead to use both lanes as long as it was safe to do so.

    Clearly in you very nice vid, the BMW driver was a bit unaware of his situation.


  • #228
    vectra
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    BohsCeltic wrote: »
    Same roundabout again but two cars all over the place.
    The bmw takes the racing line at the third roundabout aswell.

    I would be more concerned about the amber gambler with the camera than the BMW driver that was not interfering with anyone else. :p


  • #229
    josip
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    vectra wrote: »
    I would be more concerned about the amber gambler with the camera than the BMW driver that was not interfering with anyone else. :p

    "...safe to do so..."


  • #230
    vectra
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    josip wrote: »
    "...safe to do so..."


    ??
    Explain.


  • #231
    Xennon
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    If you look at a roundabout that has a broken line going around it seperating the lanes, then you cannot take the 'racing line' if theres a car in the left lane already as you are essentially changing lane to take an exit and cutting in on the car on the left lane, should it want to progress on around the roundabout.


    The way I see it roundabouts are a road/dual carriage way etc that are circular, lane disipline should still apply, in that you cant change lanes if the there is a vehicle to your left.


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  • #232
    wonski
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    vectra wrote: »
    ??
    Explain.

    I think he meant that you must stop unless it is not safe to do so.


  • #233
    Spook_ie
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92675204&postcount=5730

    I've looked at the video a couple of times, whats actually careless? The first part ( the dreaded RaB :) ) the Peugeot would have had to take a wider line to negotiate the RaB, the other car then stopped until they were sure what was going on, the night time one I must be missing something altogether, unless it's the nearside to nearside turn being executed



  • #234
    christy02
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92675204&postcount=5730

    I've looked at the video a couple of times, whats actually careless? The first part ( the dreaded RaB :) ) the Peugeot would have had to take a wider line to negotiate the RaB, the other car then stopped until they were sure what was going on, the night time one I must be missing something altogether, unless it's the nearside to nearside turn being executed


    The first one in lucan the Peugeot pulled out onto the roundabout straight in front of the avensis causing him to have to stop suddenly.


  • #235
    CramCycle
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    christy02 wrote: »
    The first one in lucan the Peugeot pulled out onto the roundabout straight in front of the avensis causing him to have to stop suddenly.

    TBF they enter at almost the same time, the only reason the Avensis had to slam on is because it put the foot down as soon as it entered.

    The one at night is that, one car clearly ran a red as the car waiting to finish it's turn started to do so.


  • #236
    Bio Mech
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    TBF they enter at almost the same time, the only reason the Avensis had to slam on is because it put the foot down as soon as it entered.

    He hardly put his foot down in fairness. He has right of way too.


  • #237
    CramCycle
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    Bio Mech wrote: »
    He hardly put his foot down in fairness. He has right of way too.

    From looking at the video though, they entered the roundabout at the same time (or at least it appears that way, so the Avensis has no right of way as the Peujeot was on the roundabout at the same time). Foot down maybe an exaggeration but he accelerated and then had to hit his brakes as the Peujeot wasn't moving as fast. I don't think either of them done anything wrong, other than the Peujeot driver was a bit slow and the avensis driver was a bit fast (relative to each other)


  • #238
    Spook_ie
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    TBF they enter at almost the same time, the only reason the Avensis had to slam on is because it put the foot down as soon as it entered.

    The one at night is that, one car clearly ran a red as the car waiting to finish it's turn started to do so.



    I'd dispute the 2nd one, would need to see how close he was to the stop line when the lights started changing, he was definitely on amber but there may have been circumstances making it difficult/dangerous to attempt a stop. If anything though I'd be concerned about the taxi drivers positioning while waiting to turn right, don't know the junction but his positioning just looks all wrong, the white van man was definitely on a red though

    2j4ymuv.jpg


  • #239
    Spook_ie
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    From looking at the video though, they entered the roundabout at the same time (or at least it appears that way, so the Avensis has no right of way as the Peujeot was on the roundabout at the same time). Foot down maybe an exaggeration but he accelerated and then had to hit his brakes as the Peujeot wasn't moving as fast. I don't think either of them done anything wrong, other than the Peujeot driver was a bit slow and the avensis driver was a bit fast (relative to each other)

    I'd agree with that, it's only that the Avensis wasn't going to slow for anybody by the look of it

    2hq8npk.png


  • #240
    CramCycle
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    I'd dispute the 2nd one, would need to see how close he was to the stop line when the lights started changing, he was definitely on amber but there may have been circumstances making it difficult/dangerous to attempt a stop. If anything though I'd be concerned about the taxi drivers positioning while waiting to turn right, don't know the junction but his positioning just looks all wrong

    2j4ymuv.jpg

    I didn't see the light, I was just guessing thats what the video was hinting at, I thought it was the taxi beeping the horn, but it does look wrong.


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  • #241
    Bio Mech
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    From looking at the video though, they entered the roundabout at the same time (or at least it appears that way, so the Avensis has no right of way as the Peujeot was on the roundabout at the same time). Foot down maybe an exaggeration but he accelerated and then had to hit his brakes as the Peujeot wasn't moving as fast. I don't think either of them done anything wrong, other than the Peujeot driver was a bit slow and the avensis driver was a bit fast (relative to each other)

    If they both arrived at the roundabout at the same time which you agree they have then the Peugeot should be yielding to the right and the Avensis has right of way. On small roundabouts like that you need to be observing to the right when you approach and should be ready to yield. IMO Peugeot is too far left (no need to be so far left there is plenty of room to go around without doing that) and should be yielding to traffic with right of way.


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