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Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)

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  • #92
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    Kamili wrote: »
    Video is set to private....

    Apologies now Public



  • #93
    lovelyhurler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭lovelyhurler


    Ah sure listen, indicators are obviously optional extras on many cars in this country, and you're about to open a whole can of stuff when it comes to 'professional drivers'.


  • #94
    Mick55
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    celticbest wrote: »
    Apologies now Public


    I assume the taxi came from Swords main street. In that case he has was taking the 3rd exit. Irish rules of the road state that when exiting the roundabout like this, when passed exit two you switch from indicating right to indicating left and move into the left hand lane and exit the roundabout in the left lane. The taxi driver did nothing wrong here. The Skoda merged into your lane as his lane was ending, he was a good bit ahead of you and didn't impede you. Apart from being pedantic about the indicator there is nothing wrong with this either.


  • #95
    celticbest
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    Mick55 wrote: »
    I assume the taxi came from Swords main street. In that case he has was taking the 3rd exit. Irish rules of the road state that when exiting the roundabout like this, when passed exit two you switch from indicating right to indicating left and move into the left hand lane and exit the roundabout in the left lane. The taxi driver did nothing wrong here. The Skoda merged into your lane as his lane was ending, he was a good bit ahead of you and didn't impede you. Apart from being pedantic about the indicator there is nothing wrong with this either.

    Are you for real? As he was on a 2 lane R/A with 2 exit lanes he should have stayed in Lane 2 and not crossed lanes...

    Oh, pedantic about not using an indicator, that says it all, thanks for your input.


  • #96
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,741 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    His actions did not impact your driving in any way.. regarding the indicating; would the action of him blinking his yellow lights made you drive in any other manner than you did?


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  • #97
    Mick55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭Mick55


    celticbest wrote: »
    Are you for real? As he was on a 2 lane R/A with 2 exit lanes he should have stayed in Lane 2 and not crossed lanes...

    Oh, pedantic about not using an indicator, that says it all, thanks for your input.

    Highlighted in red for you, educate yourself.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf
    121212.png


  • #98
    celticbest
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    jameshayes wrote: »
    His actions did not impact your driving in any way.. regarding the indicating; would the action of him blinking his yellow lights made you drive in any other manner than you did?

    Here's a little refresher for you regarding the use of indicators...

    Signals_zps5092c158.jpg


  • #99
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    Mick55 wrote: »
    Highlighted in red for you, educate yourself.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf
    121212.png

    Mmm, single lane exit from a 2 lane r/a, try 2 lane exit from 2 lane r/a


  • #100
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    jameshayes wrote: »
    His actions did not impact your driving in any way.. regarding the indicating; would the action of him blinking his yellow lights made you drive in any other manner than you did?

    So people shouldn't indicate unless what they are doing puts in on other people?

    This type of attitude says alot about the piss poor quality of Irish driving.


  • #101
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    jameshayes wrote: »
    His actions did not impact your driving in any way.. regarding the indicating; would the action of him blinking his yellow lights made you drive in any other manner than you did?

    yes


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  • #102
    jameshayes
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    So people shouldn't indicate unless what they are doing puts in on other people?

    This type of attitude says alot about the piss poor quality of Irish driving.

    not wanting to pull this thread OT, but Irish people put FAR to much value on indicators, they mean nothing other than an electrical current is present and the bulb is working - nothing more. They MIGHT mean an other road user is about to perform an action, or it MIGHT mean they left their indicator on from the last junction, banged off the stick while reaching for their coffee or accidentally pressed it instead of turning their full lights on.


  • #103
    b318isp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭b318isp


    jameshayes wrote: »
    not wanting to pull this thread OT, but Irish people put FAR to much value on indicators, they mean nothing other than an electrical current is present and the bulb is working - nothing more. They MIGHT mean an other road user is about to perform an action, or it MIGHT mean they left their indicator on from the last junction, banged off the stick while reaching for their coffee or accidentally pressed it instead of turning their full lights on.

    You are joking or trolling, right?


  • #104
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    b318isp wrote: »
    You are joking or trolling, right?

    never trust an indicator


  • #105
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,741 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    b318isp wrote: »
    You are joking or trolling, right?

    Go to any advanced driver training or accident prevention course and you'll be told the same.


  • #106
    b318isp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭b318isp


    jameshayes wrote: »
    Go to any advanced driver training or accident prevention course and you'll be told the same.

    That is not true at all.

    Having done this, and studied Roadcraft, you can make a decision not to indicate if there is no traffic around or likely to be around to benefit from indicating.

    Indicators should give an early warning of an intent to change direction or lane, and the majority of times I see one on, it is for this reason.

    To say "but Irish people put FAR to much value on indicators", is absolutely contradictory to what I see on the roads today - which seems to be a large scale non-use of indicators in traffic or on roundabouts.

    To say "they MIGHT mean an other road user is about to perform an action" means that with high degree of certainty I would take it that a car IS about to perform an action.

    To say "MIGHT mean they left their indicator on from the last junction, banged off the stick while reaching for their coffee or accidentally pressed it" does not give it equal weighting as a deliberate and correctly intentional use. What proportion of indicator use you see when you drive around would you reckon would be accidental?


  • #107
    The Dagda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭The Dagda


    celticbest wrote: »
    Why do people in Ireland think it's okay to
      change lanes on R/A's
      not indicate when changing lanes


    Lines on that roundabout are broken to show you it's possible to change lanes.

    You should open a new thread for your videos coz they don't fit in with the whole "dash cam saves your ass" theme - You could call it "Dash cam bores your ass!"


  • #108
    celticbest
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    The Dagda wrote: »
    Lines on that roundabout are broken to show you it's possible to change lanes.

    All two lane r/a's have broken white lines, is it okay to move from lane to lane whenever you feel like it because of this, I would presume its not, for a start you should only change lanes when it is safe to do so.
    The Dagda wrote: »
    You should open a new thread for your videos coz they don't fit in with the whole "dash cam saves your ass" theme - You could call it "Dash cam bores your ass!"

    I'll back each of my posts to the hilt, if people wish to comment then I'm entitled to reply, I've previously asked for this thread to be made Video only and a seperate thread to be created for comments related to videos but this was turned down.


  • #109
    BlueDrax
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    biko wrote: »
    Stop with the roundabouts please. This is not the thread for it.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3R65RnoAhs


  • #110
    fullstop
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    celticbest wrote: »
    Why do people in Ireland think it's okay to
      change lanes on R/A's
      not indicate when changing lanes


    There's no issue whatsoever with the taxi here. If he stayed in the right hand lane you probably would have put a caption on the video saying "overtaking lane hogger taxi driver". He has to cross lanes to get off the roundabout anyway unless you want him to drive around it all day.


  • #111
    gutteruu
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    fullstop wrote: »
    There's no issue whatsoever with the taxi here. If he stayed in the right hand lane you probably would have put a caption on the video saying "overtaking lane hogger taxi driver". He has to cross lanes to get off the roundabout anyway unless you want him to drive around it all day.

    Just out of interest. What do you people think the second exit lane is for? If you go from inside lane of roundabout across into inside lane on exit why do you think they went to all the hassle of building a second exit lane?
    cormie wrote: »
    I think rather than using court time and everything else involved in prosecuting somebody who could be any of our own mothers and is probably feeling enough guilt already, it would be far more beneficial....

    Doesn't matter how guilty she feels or who's mother she is. She killed someone. Without consequences she can do it again tomorrow.


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  • #112
    fullstop
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    gutteruu wrote: »
    Just out of interest. What do you people think the second exit lane is for? If you go from inside lane of roundabout across into inside lane on exit why do you think they went to all the hassle of building a second exit lane?

    Maybe have another look at the video. From the road the OP is coming, both lanes can exit the roundabout at 12 o clock. As per the arrows on the road. How can this work? Maybe we'll build a second exit lane so 2 cars entering from the same road can exit together :)


  • #113
    The Dagda
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    gutteruu wrote: »
    Just out of interest. What do you people think the second exit lane is for? If you go from inside lane of roundabout across into inside lane on exit why do you think they went to all the hassle of building a second exit lane?

    What's an exit lane?

    It's a roundabout on a dual carriageway, it's obvious the roundabout is built to accept 2 lanes of traffic.

    Whether you exit on the 1st or 2nd lane you still have to cross lanes on the roundabout. The rule is to keep left so unless there is a car in lane 1, you exit into lane 1.

    I can't believe people can't grasp this!?! :confused:


  • #114
    gutteruu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭gutteruu


    The Dagda wrote: »
    What's an exit lane?

    I can't believe people can't grasp this!?! :confused:

    2 lanes in, 2 lanes on roundabout, 2 lanes out. Its very simple. Taxi used lane 2 to enter, lane 2 on RB and then lane 1 to exit??

    Common sense isn't very common as they say


  • #115
    The Dagda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭The Dagda


    gutteruu wrote: »
    2 lanes in, 2 lanes on roundabout, 2 lanes out. Its very simple. Taxi used lane 2 to enter, lane 2 on RB and then lane 1 to exit??

    We didn't see which lane the taxi used to enter the roundabout, it was already on the roundabout when OP arrived at it.

    The taxi exited on to lane 1 and then into the bus lane, except for the lack of indicators the taxi used the roundabout correctly.

    You cannot exit a roundabout like that without crossing lanes, if there is no cars in lane 1 you should always exit into lane 1.

    This is basic stuff! :confused:


  • #116
    sogood
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    Hung back from this driver today as we approached the roundabout and glad I did. http://youtu.be/gL_Z7kceBPg


  • #117
    HurtLocker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭HurtLocker


    sogood wrote: »
    Hung back from this driver today as we approached the roundabout and glad I did. http://youtu.be/gL_Z7kceBPg

    Clean the bird sh*t off :pac:


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sogood wrote: »
    Hung back from this driver today as we approached the roundabout and glad I did. http://youtu.be/gL_Z7kceBPg
    That sort of thing happens so often that I’ve given up on saving them on the camera!


  • #119
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    (I regularly drive over one near a Tesco by me, as it's completely redundant, but you're not supposed to, as far as I know).

    Actually what the roundabout is made of is important.

    The paint on the road needs to be interpreted as necessary as to traffic conditions, in the event that fours cars arrive at the same time, then a roundabout exists. Get it? Otherwise it CAN be totally ignored.

    Semi drive over roundabouts are permanent structures in the center which cannot be driven over but with drive over shoulders, and can be used as one feels fit, ie to accommodate large vehicles or weather conditions, notably ice, where going completely around the road around the outside of the drive over portion could endanger or inhibit. Etc.


  • #120
    IP freely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭IP freely


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Actually what the roundabout is made of is important.

    The paint on the road needs to be interpreted as necessary as to traffic conditions, in the event that fours cars arrive at the same time, then a roundabout exists. Get it? Otherwise it CAN be totally ignored.

    Semi drive over roundabouts are permanent structures in the center which cannot be driven over but with drive over shoulders, and can be used as one feels fit, ie to accommodate large vehicles or weather conditions, notably ice, where going completely around the road around the outside of the drive over portion could endanger or inhibit. Etc.

    I have to respectfully disagree.

    A roundabout is a roundabout regardless of what it is made out of. Say for example 2 cars approach a roundabout from different directions not seeing each other (behind a building or similar) late at night where they never meet any other cars carry on and cut the roundabout like in the vid above and collide.

    But sure it's only a painted roundabout!

    They started out as mini roundabouts where a junction was too narrow to facilitate a normal roundabout then people got lazy and throw some white paint in the ground in the middle of a junction.

    They only exist for HGV vehicles not there to give you the option of using the roundabout if / when you see fit.


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  • #121
    bladebrew
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    You cannot just drive over mini roundabouts unless you are in a large vehicle, otherwise why bother putting them there?
    https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/roundabouts-184-to-190
    I can only find this link from the UK but it specifically says to drive around the markings, number 188 in that link,


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