Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)

Spook_ie

Bio Mech wrote: »

If they both arrived at the roundabout at the same time which you agree they have then the Peugeot should be yielding to the right and the Avensis has right of way. On small roundabouts like that you need to be observing to the right when you approach and should be ready to yield. IMO Peugeot is too far left (no need to be so far left there is plenty of room to go around without doing that) and should be yielding to traffic with right of way.

Maybe on the ceding to the right, though AFAIK there is no legal precedent for that but to complete the U Turn without cutting over the roundabout he was correctly positioned, you should treat a mini RaB as if it is a structure rather than a painted blob where possible

CramCycle

Bio Mech wrote: »

If they both arrived at the roundabout at the same time which you agree they have then the Peugeot should be yielding to the right and the Avensis has right of way. On small roundabouts like that you need to be observing to the right when you approach and should be ready to yield. IMO Peugeot is too far left (no need to be so far left there is plenty of room to go around without doing that) and should be yielding to traffic with right of way.

Maybe so, but it looked to me that when he entered the roundabout there was no one on it to yield too. Both came to a yield sign at the same time, both had no one to yield too, both entered at the same time. The only thing of note is the peujeot driver tapped his brakes preparing to yield, I can't see if the Avensis driver did. The RB is also single lane so there is no "too far left" to be considered, the car had its indicator on and was taking a wide turn to complete the U turn I imagine.

Bio Mech

Yes I guess that's true on the lane position but I would have thought normal lane positioning should apply as if at a junction. That is going left stay left and going right stay right. That's what I thought the rules of the road generally indicated I thought. I know that roundabout and I would have thought there was plenty of room to turn about without needing to go that far left.

Poor lane positioning and failure to yield IMO.

dashcamdanny

The Peugeot was in the wrong. The only way he would have been in the right, is to have been less hesitate and drove at a speed so he became less of a road block.

Yet again, a good example of a driver "fannying about" instead of being aware of the situation.

Spook_ie

dashcamdanny wrote: »

The Peugeot was in the wrong. The only way he would have been in the right, is to have been less hesitate and drove at a speed so he became less of a road block.

Yet again, a good example of a driver "fannying about" instead of being aware of the situation.

What y'mean take a racing line and handbrake turn on the RaB instead of negotiating a road hazard?

dashcamdanny

Spook_ie wrote: »

What y'mean take a racing line and handbrake turn on the RaB instead of negotiating a road hazard?

??? I did not mean that at all.

Spook_ie

dashcamdanny wrote: »

The Peugeot was in the wrong. The only way he would have been in the right, is to have been less hesitate and drove at a speed so he became less of a road block.

Yet again, a good example of a driver "fannying about" instead of being aware of the situation.

Spook_ie wrote: »

What y'mean take a racing line and handbrake turn on the RaB instead of negotiating a road hazard?

dashcamdanny wrote: »

??? I did not mean that at all.

Well my impression is that you think he should have been driving faster, just what speed should someone doing ( an effectively ) U-Turn go at?

dashcamdanny

Spook_ie wrote: »

Well my impression is that you think he should have been driving faster, just what speed should someone doing ( an effectively ) U-Turn go at?

I believe a good driver should be assertive and does not hesitate when an opening arises if he can do so .
It is my view that the Peugeot was not a good driver. There where cars entering the mini roundabout to his right. Yet he continued on with a limp left foot.
Although the Toyota driver was at the other end of the scale, he should not have been blocked.
One does not have to drive dangerously to be quick. That was my point.

Spook_ie

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I believe a good driver should be assertive and does not hesitate when an opening arises if he can do so .
It is my view that the Peugeot was not a good driver. There where cars entering the mini roundabout to his right. Yet he continued on with a limp left foot.
Although the Toyota driver was at the other end of the scale, he should not have been blocked.
One does not have to drive dangerously to be quick. That was my point.

Sorry going to have to outright disagree with you, the man was turning 180 degrees and just because someone enters a RaB at a higher speed does not confer a right of way.

But enough I await the next video on RaBs

Given the spiel on cyclists after this post maybe we should expand it to cyclist videos as well

Kramer wrote: »

Nothing breathtaking - some cycling offenders from Limerick earlier during the summer.
The last pair do win a prize though for..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUNTyPG9H8k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMWC-e3AWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fchr4ruQL5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwdzYfyLe6k

dickwod1

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ardle1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZqJOel7qeY

corktina

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two problems in one there!

weadick

Anyone here familiar with the recently built roundabout in Passage West, Cork? I don't know if people down there have a lower IQ or what but the roundabout has been there for a couple of years now and they still can't get the hang of it. They use the left lane as a sort of exit into a housing estate and then use the right lane to go straight ahead.

weadick

weadick wrote: »

Anyone here familiar with the recently built roundabout in Passage West, Cork? I don't know if people down there have a lower IQ or what but the roundabout has been there for a couple of years now and they still can't get the hang of it. They use the left lane as a sort of exit into a housing estate and then use the right lane to go straight ahead.

What do the road markings say?

Spook_ie

ardle1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZqJOel7qeY

TBF I'd overtake a vehicle with flat tyres on one side.

ardle1

Spook_ie wrote: »

TBF I'd overtake a vehicle with flat tyres on one side.

HA HA
Yeah me camera's a bit lob-sided

Mick55

@celticbest did the RSA ever revert to you about this?

celticbest wrote: »

Query sent to the RSA,



As for indicators, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91737721&postcount=4949

celticbest

Mick55 wrote: »

@celticbest did the RSA ever revert to you about this?

No, they sent a mail to say they would be in contact but I never received any further correspondence, I will resend the mail.

Hoofball

weadick wrote: »

Anyone here familiar with the recently built roundabout in Passage West, Cork? I don't know if people down there have a lower IQ or what but the roundabout has been there for a couple of years now and they still can't get the hang of it. They use the left lane as a sort of exit into a housing estate and then use the right lane to go straight ahead.

Deleted User wrote: »

What do the road markings say?

weadick, I assume it's this roundabout that you are talking about?
MAP

Just for your information that roundabout is there for more than a couple of years and is not recently built, it's been there at least 7/8 from what I can remember. What's a "sort of exit"? The left lane is the correct lane to be in to turn left into the estate. There's no need to be insulting people either just because you can't handle a roundabout that the locals have for years with no problems.

dolanbaker, there's no markings on signs or on the road to designate what lane is for what direction. The road is quite narrow there that it would make sense (IMO) if they made the left lane for left turn only and the right lane for straight on and turning right around the roundabout.

Xennon

IMHO all three are correct, in that you can change lanes on the roundabout as long as it is safe to do so, in other words theres noone to your left.

The roundabout is a road with two lanes on it.

Spook_ie

Xennon wrote: »

IMHO all three are correct, in that you can change lanes on the roundabout as long as it is safe to do so, in other words theres noone to your left.

The roundabout is a road with two lanes on it.

Option 3 is definately a no-no IMO, if someone were to be using options 1 or 2 from a previous entry point and leaving at the exit prior to yours, you would be crossing in front of them as they tried to exit left.

Might not be illegal as you are following the fundamental law that applies to RaBs of turning left on entry but very inconsiderate to other users

Xennon

Hi Spook,

Option 3 may be inconsiderate but any vehicle on the inside lane wouldnt be right in cutting them to take the exit as they would be essentially changing lanes in my opinion.

Thargor

Webcam not dashcam but this is the reason I hate driving anywhere built-up:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/video-webcam-captures-horrifying-moment-4609031

corktina

Thargor wrote: »

Webcam not dashcam but this is the reason I hate driving anywhere built-up:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/video-webcam-captures-horrifying-moment-4609031

hardly the car drivers fault , running out like that! (should have stayed at the scene though!

Caliden

Thargor wrote: »

Webcam not dashcam but this is the reason I hate driving anywhere built-up:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/video-webcam-captures-horrifying-moment-4609031

That article is horribly written and very biased.

Pedestrian runs across zebra-crossing but half way across decides to veer right so she is no longer on the zebra. If she just crossed it normally instead of sprinting across it there would be no accident.

Placing the onus on the driver alone is unfair.

Pedestrians should ALWAYS look before crossing. If everyone went across pedestrian crossing without looking there would be a lot of flat pedestrians that's for certain.

celticbest

corktina wrote: »

hardly the car drivers fault , running out like that! (should have stayed at the scene though!

From Article:

Despite many thinking the driver of the vehicle fled the scene, according to staff at the recording studio, they pulled over to help.

Thargor

Thargor wrote: »

Webcam not dashcam but this is the reason I hate driving anywhere built-up:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/video-webcam-captures-horrifying-moment-4609031

Oh crap didnt mean to put that in the Roundabout thread, ah well.

BohsCeltic

Same roundabout again, two videos from this week merged into one(ignore the date stamp, editing app didn't change from the original).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4eqryqphOk

josip

BohsCeltic wrote: »

Same roundabout again, two videos from this week merged into one(ignore the date stamp, editing app didn't change from the original).

WVM trying to get the jump on you, learner clueless?

CramCycle

josip wrote: »

WVM trying to get the jump on you, learner clueless?

I think its just stupidity mixed with ignorance, the number of people who can't follow simple lane markings when its not a typical ROTR roundabout is phenomenal. I have even witnessed cars where they seem to struggle with controlling the car on a roundabout i.e sticking to the lane, so they find it simpler to take the shortest route.