Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

29-09-2014 09:43PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Plenty of legitimate things to criticise Mignolet for but the Jagielka goal is not one of them. Very very few keepers save that. If any.

Am I the only one who thinks the goal though great was a bit of a fluke, defender blasts ball in direction of goal.... 99 times in 100 they go in the stand

As an example, chamber's effort against Spurs was class and if it went in would have been jizz worthy..... Jag's was imo a pure fluke.

~Rebel~ · 29-09-2014 09:46PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Plenty of legitimate things to criticise Mignolet for but the Jagielka goal is not one of them. Very very few keepers save that. If any.

True. Neville's observation is definitely an interesting one though. Even if he couldn't have saved it, one would think he should surely have gotten closer to it - it was well inside the post, rather than top corner.

It seems like an odd posture to take, having your hands as far away from the crossbar as physically possible. Is it a case that he simply writes off anything high, and instead gives himself the best chance possible for a low shot into the corner - playing the numbers game?

Either way, as the lads on MNF said, you do kind of expect the keepers of top clubs to make the unexpected saves - to block the shots which you think are nailed on goals. I think thats the problem with Mignolet. More often than not, he does enough, but it's fairly rare that he really exceeds expectations. This might be ok if he was completely infallible on the things he should save, but as we've seen, he's prone to messing up the easy positioning stuff too. Would definitely like to see him pushed back to the reserve spot, for which he would be perfect. There's a very good keeper in there, but there isn't a world class keeper.

daithijjj · 29-09-2014 09:50PM

garra wrote: »

I can well remember Steve Staunton being "targetted" in this manner, ie by letting him be the one to bring the ball out of defence, especially when playing centre-half. He was great on a dead ball but not the most clever in distribution or technical in possession. Don't let the term fool you, it is most definitely a prescribed tactic to target that player in the knowledge they will cough up possession by closely marking the nearest players to him.

Im not talking about other instances though. Im talking about the one time another manager in the EPL publicly stated he targetted the player and what happened in the game. Walters was all over him, it wasnt a case of what you are stating and letting Skrtel have the ball more. They won it back by putting the player with inferior ability on the ball by making him have to play it quicker.

Anyway, im sick talking about Skrtel :pac:, vastly over rated.

klose · 29-09-2014 09:59PM

I dont like the way the whole centre half thing is looking at the moment, toures contract is up next summer and hes hardly getting a renewal. Sakho left his boyhood club because of lack of game time so he wont think twice about leaving here if hes sitting in the stands because kolo is favoured over him, both could possibly leave next summer (obviously im predicitng a lot of what ifs there).
That then leaves us with two senior centre halfs with coates and iloris loans finishing, you would imagine coates will be sold/loaned/released next summer and who knows what will happen with ilori.
I cant imagine there being much change with our defence between now and then so we will still have the same issues next summer and still need atleast one new centre back again. I feel we should have taken whatever fee we could have off the turkish club for toure and held onto ilori.

5starpool · 29-09-2014 10:03PM

Win on Wednesday and on Saturday we'll be world beaters again going into the international break.

Harry Palmr · 29-09-2014 10:17PM

klose wrote: »

I dont like the way the whole centre half thing is looking at the moment, toures contract is up next summer and hes hardly getting a renewal. Sakho left his boyhood club because of lack of game time so he wont think twice about leaving here if hes sitting in the stands because kolo is favoured over him, both could possibly leave next summer (obviously im predicitng a lot of what ifs there).
That then leaves us with two senior centre halfs with coates and iloris loans finishing, you would imagine coates will be sold/loaned/released next summer and who knows what will happen with ilori.
I cant imagine there being much change with our defence between now and then so we will still have the same issues next summer and still need atleast one new centre back again. I feel we should have taken whatever fee we could have off the turkish club for toure and held onto ilori.

Pfffffft panic ye not, it pretty obvious what's going to happen. The next centre back is Steven Gerrard! :pac:

29-09-2014 10:21PM

Neville definitely has a point there with Mignolet. You can say his shot stopping is his biggest attribute, but there was 3 examples of him flapping at high shots in big games there. It wouldn't have been something I'd have overly picked up on. It may help him at times with lower shots but if it's happening with high shots on regular occasions he shoukd probably look at it. The problem with that is he may start over thinking a lot more shots which would result in more mistakes. Tough life this goalkeeping lark

Will I Amnt · 29-09-2014 10:26PM

Augeo wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks the goal though great was a bit of a fluke, defender blasts ball in direction of goal.... 99 times in 100 they go in the stand

As an example, chamber's effort against Spurs was class and if it went in would have been jizz worthy..... Jag's was imo a pure fluke.

Strike on goal goes straight in, no deflection, it wasn't miss-hit. He shot to score and scored, you can't really call it a fluke. He just got it all right.

mosstin · 29-09-2014 10:27PM

5starpool wrote: »

Win on Wednesday and on Saturday we'll be world beaters again going into the international break.

Eh, we won't.

~Rebel~ · 29-09-2014 10:27PM

Augeo wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks the goal though great was a bit of a fluke, defender blasts ball in direction of goal.... 99 times in 100 they go in the stand

As an example, chamber's effort against Spurs was class and if it went in would have been jizz worthy..... Jag's was imo a pure fluke.

To an extent, though on second captains this week, they recalled that he used to actually score a few of those back with Sheffield United when he played in midfield. I remember a few absolute screamers he scored from long range there, I think a season or two before he moved to Everton.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 29-09-2014 10:37PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

To an extent, though on second captains this week, they recalled that he used to actually score a few of those back with Sheffield United when he played in midfield. I remember a few absolute screamers he scored from long range there, I think a season or two before he moved to Everton.

Yeah heard that too. He has 32 career goals according to Wikipedia which is a very good return for a central defender. There not all scored because of corners either which is why Terry and Skrtel would have so many goals to their name.

MD1990 · 29-09-2014 10:50PM

For Basle I would go (assuming Sturridge won't make it)

Mignolet

Manquillo--Skrtel--Lovren--Moreno

Gerrard---Henderson

Lallana---Coutinho

Sterling

Balotelli

8-10 · 29-09-2014 10:55PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

To an extent, though on second captains this week, they recalled that he used to actually score a few of those back with Sheffield United when he played in midfield. I remember a few absolute screamers he scored from long range there, I think a season or two before he moved to Everton.

I remember thinking it was strange for Everton to play him at the back as I always thought he looked a good midfielder at Sheffield. Turned out to be a genius move!

~Rebel~ · 29-09-2014 10:58PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Yeah heard that too. He has 32 career goals according to Wikipedia which is a very good return for a central defender. There not all scored because of corners either which is why Terry and Skrtel would have so many goals to their name.

Indeed, 55 seconds into this clip is another very similar goal, struck beautifully. I can remember at least one other he struck from even further out on the volley too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0b66ZSQp0M

dogbert27 · 30-09-2014 06:02AM

Augeo wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks the goal though great was a bit of a fluke, defender blasts ball in direction of goal.... 99 times in 100 they go in the stand

As an example, chamber's effort against Spurs was class and if it went in would have been jizz worthy..... Jag's was imo a pure fluke.

I think from this image you see his technique as he hit the ball it was an intentional shot on target more than a hit and hope.

I hope he tries the same against United next week. In terms of top 4 rivals a draw would be a good result in this game but it would be sweet to see Everton win at Old Trafford again.

xabi · 30-09-2014 07:21AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

I think from this image you see his technique as he hit the ball it was an intentional shot on target more than a hit and hope.

Are'nt they all? Just because it goes into the stand doesnt mean the player didnt intend it to go on target, speaking from experience here

BTW. When I was playing all of my shots I intended to go on target but invariably they ended in row Z.

Dickerty · 30-09-2014 07:25AM

MD1990 wrote: »

For Basle I would go (assuming Sturridge won't make it)
Mignolet
Manquillo--Skrtel--Lovren--Moreno
Gerrard---Henderson
Lallana---Coutinho
Sterling
Balotelli

Yep, I'd nearly hold back Sturridge so that he isn't called up by England...

dfx- · 30-09-2014 07:29AM

I can see the point of the Mignolet stance argument for the Negredo goal, but the swerve and angle of the Everton strike makes the argument irrelevant for that example and questions why you would bring it up.

Optimus Caesar · 30-09-2014 07:34AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Yep, I'd nearly hold back Sturridge so that he isn't called up by England...

Even if he's held back, there is no guarantee that England won't call him in so they can assess him themselves.

Optimus Caesar · 30-09-2014 07:37AM

dfx- wrote: »

I can see the point of the Mignolet stance argument for the Negredo goal, but the swerve and angle of the Everton strike makes the argument irrelevant for that example and questions why you would bring it up.

Well he only missed the Jagielka strike by inches so if he had stood taller then surely he'd have had a better chance of getting his hands up to it quicker and tipping it over?

The Negredo one isn't the same as he does get his hand(s) to it but it goes through him and in so that was definitely keeper error.

PhiloCypher · 30-09-2014 08:02AM

Optimus Caesar wrote: »

Well he only missed the Jagielka strike by inches so if he had stood taller then surely he'd have had a better chance of getting his hands up to it quicker and tipping it over?

The Negredo one isn't the same as he does get his hand(s) to it but it goes through him and in so that was definitely keeper error.

You could also argue that a man will jump higher from a coiled spring position then one where his knees are almost locked.

BenEadir · 30-09-2014 08:16AM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

You could also argue that a man will jump higher from a coiled spring position then one where his knees are almost locked.

Sure but that's only relevant if timing isn't a factor. Starting that low to get to a ball which is high and travelling at such speed is a disadvantage. If he hadn't have been so low he might (only might) have gotten there quicker and therefore had a chance to stop it.

Optimus Caesar · 30-09-2014 08:48AM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

You could also argue that a man will jump higher from a coiled spring position then one where his knees are almost locked.

The ball is flying high in to the net... he doesn't have to get everything behind it to save it... a fingertip probably would have done it and in that case I think Neville is 100% correct in his analysis here.

benny79 · 30-09-2014 09:02AM

Hate to say he but I also think Neville was 100% correct and its a big weakness in Mignolets game!
All good keepers stand tall and always make themselves as big as possible!

hadepsx · 30-09-2014 09:17AM

Ughhh. Neville and right in the same sentence

Dickerty · 30-09-2014 09:25AM

benny79 wrote: »

All good keepers stand tall and always make themselves as big as possible!

Sorry, but this is nonsense. If the ball is outside the box, he needs to stay 'coiled' in case he needs to quickly go left or right. Not crouched right down, but certainly not fully extended...

gafferino · 30-09-2014 09:28AM

UUUggghhhhhhh this is literally the worst argument I have seen on this forum.

gafferino · 30-09-2014 09:34AM

"Pressure is what is happening in Iraq at the moment when there is a war. That is pressure," said Mignolet.

"We are all football players and we are here to do our best. You want to work hard in training and we will see what happens at a weekend.

"I can only do my best, work hard, be positive and confident and I believe in myself. That is the only thing I can do.

"If I have to look into all the people and players who are linked with Liverpool football club then there will be another team on the pitch.

"Every week there would be a different 11 playing. So it is just the fact that you play for a big club and you have to accept that is the way it is, but I don't read anything into that.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9496069/premier-league-liverpool-goalkeeper-simon-mignolet-not-feeling-the-pressure

klose · 30-09-2014 09:37AM

If neville didn't point out that on mnf nobody would bat an eye at mignolet and i personally still don't tbh, it was a worldy of a goal that ya just raise your hands and say its one those moments, you could point out a lot more flaws on migs game than his shot stopping but i guess that is nevilles job to analyse etc....

Harry Palmr · 30-09-2014 09:43AM

Shudda got Begovic

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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