Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

29-09-2014 05:13PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Many of those chances came from Moreno's side actually. He was great attacking wise but is still caught out a lot by getting dragged too centrally. He was caught out of position v West Ham too tbh.

If Sakho gets dropped that's up to the manager but the wool wont be pulled over my eyes that Skrtel is somehow better. He simply isnt and has been playing in the team for 8 of the 9 league goals conceded. We've conceded as many goals this season in 7 mins at West Ham as Sakho has in the league.

Clearly the CB's arent the only issue.

Moreno was caught out of position a good few times in the CL game too leading to the CB's getting dragged out of position

jasonb · 29-09-2014 05:14PM

A little off topic, but it's been a few years since I made it to Anfield, and I just thought I might try to make it over the the Capital Cup game against Swansea at the end of the month.

At the moment there's nothing up on the website about ticket availability. What's the situation, have I no hope at all in going to this, or is there a chance of getting a ticket and what's the process? For what it's worth (probably not a lot) I do have a fan card...

Thanks...

J.

29-09-2014 05:16PM

jasonb wrote: »

A little off topic, but it's been a few years since I made it to Anfield, and I just thought I might try to make it over the the Capital Cup game against Swansea at the end of the month.

At the moment there's nothing up on the website about ticket availability. What's the situation, have I no hope at all in going to this, or is there a chance of getting a ticket and what's the process? For what it's worth (probably not a lot) I do have a fan card...

Thanks...

J.

You might have to be in the cup scheme for those tickets. Not sure though.

Go to the official lfc website, and go to the tickets section. It should outline the way the tickets will be sold for that game

daithijjj · 29-09-2014 05:34PM

Fescue wrote: »

All is not lost for Sakho though the road to redemption is made harder by his actions on Saturday.

Skrtel was largely sidelined for much of Rodgers first season in charge before winning him over.

I probably wouldn't be so harsh on Sakho if he hadn't cost £18 million. Whoever signed off on it.

You know, when i consider what Sakho did at the weekend, what Agger said recently, and couple those with Skrtel quotes from last year i wonder if there isnt bigger issues in general.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9893730/Liverpool-centre-back-Martin-Skrtel-queries-Brendan-Rodgers-reasons-for-dropping-him-after-Oldham-defeat.html

Nevertheless, we havent improved in my eyes no matter who plays, i just take a little exception to others views on who to target.

Agent Coulson · 29-09-2014 05:40PM

Honestly Sakho going home isn't a huge deal.

Before the world of camera phones and social media I'm pretty sure plenty of players not in the match day squad went home.

Was every player in the first team squad not picked or injured at the match Allen, Can, Flanagan, Borini, Johnson? if not why not?

The only player I saw was Sturridge when the camera panned to the stand.

Fescue · 29-09-2014 05:44PM

daithijjj wrote: »

You know, when i consider what Sakho did at the weekend, what Agger said recently, and couple those with Skrtel quotes from last year i wonder if there isnt bigger issues in general.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9893730/Liverpool-centre-back-Martin-Skrtel-queries-Brendan-Rodgers-reasons-for-dropping-him-after-Oldham-defeat.html

Nevertheless, we havent improved in my eyes no matter who plays, i just take a little exception to others views on who to target.

I normally take with a pinch of salt what disaffected players have to say but there is a common theme with both of those players comments. Which is worrying.

klose · 29-09-2014 05:55PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Honestly Sakho going home isn't a huge deal.

Before the world of camera phones and social media I'm pretty sure plenty of players not in the match day squad went home.

Was every player in the first team squad not picked or injured at the match Allen, Can, Flanagan, Borini, Johnson? if not why not?

The only player I saw was Sturridge when the camera panned to the stand.

Sturridge was up in the executive box I think, players who don't make the match day squad sit a few rows back from the dug out iirc. It's club protocol apparently to stay and watch.

jasonb · 29-09-2014 05:55PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You might have to be in the cup scheme for those tickets. Not sure though.

Go to the official lfc website, and go to the tickets section. It should outline the way the tickets will be sold for that game

I had a look at the website, but that game isn't up there, though games beofrr it and after it are. I'm guessing it's too soon for details as the draw was only a while ago. It's too late to sign up for the AutoCup scheme, but from what I can see it looks like tickets for the last round against Middlesbrough went on General Sale at some stage.

J.

5live · 29-09-2014 06:25PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Many of them are better than Skrtel in that department, that's all that matters.

You dont "target" a player by letting them have the ball.

Sorry, but you can. Many teams last year and the year before marked the ball-playing CB and let him(Skrtel) give the ball to a midfielder and then pressured the midfielder. Quite a few teams are doing it at times this year by pressuring Lovren and letting Skrtel the ball because he isn't going to stride forward and overload the midfield like Lovren does at times.

rob316 wrote: »

Look at who he had to partner him last season. Toure who started well but turned out to be a calamity and Agger who couldn't stay fit and was susceptible to many individual errors.

He has survived 4 managers at Liverpool and been first choice under all, they must see something in him?

Toure is also a RCB and played most of his games 'out of position' on the left to facilitate Skrtel. Lovren also looks poorer when playing RCB but gets little criticism for it.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Moreno was caught out of position a good few times in the CL game too leading to the CB's getting dragged out of position

Was Morenos positioning due to a series of errors on his part or instructions to get up the field and stretch the defense? One is his fault and, with coaching, will improve. The second is tactical and will have to be suffered to an extent with the system we play.

5live · 29-09-2014 06:44PM

A bit more here on the passing stats for defenders

http://i.imgur.com/ImfZkHE.png

from here

http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.ie/2014/09/visualized-liverpool-1-1-everton.html

I can't edit images:o but take in the stat for Lovrens passes and Skrtels passes in the middle of the article.

daithijjj · 29-09-2014 07:12PM

5live wrote: »

Sorry, but you can. Many teams last year and the year before marked the ball-playing CB and let him(Skrtel) give the ball to a midfielder and then pressured the midfielder. Quite a few teams are doing it at times this year by pressuring Lovren and letting Skrtel the ball because he isn't going to stride forward and overload the midfield like Lovren does at times.

Toure is also a RCB and played most of his games 'out of position' on the left to facilitate Skrtel. Lovren also looks poorer when playing RCB but gets little criticism for it.

Was Morenos positioning due to a series of errors on his part or instructions to get up the field and stretch the defense? One is his fault and, with coaching, will improve. The second is tactical and will have to be suffered to an extent with the system we play.

Thats not what Stoke did though from my recollection. They just told Walters to run him down, make him panic and as a result he found himself going into areas of the pitch he should never have been in due to not having that ability on the ball.

Errors on his part. Very bad ones actually.

Fescue · 29-09-2014 07:16PM

Apparently Gary Neville has been very critical of Mignolet on Monday Night Football.

Something to do with his starting position.

Crouching down too low.

Ganymede Glow · 29-09-2014 07:19PM

It no coincidence that we've started leaking more goals ever since Johnson has been out of the team.

Yeah right he's shíte

Augmerson · 29-09-2014 07:27PM

Fescue wrote: »

Apparently Gary Neville has been very critical of Mignolet on Monday Night Football.

Something to do with his starting position.

Crouching down too low.

I don't think anyone would have stopped that goal, it was destination back of the net the second Jag hit it.

SlickRic · 29-09-2014 07:29PM

There's some lad playing for Stoke called Victor Moses who might be able to do a job for us.

far better than that Victor Moses lad we had last season.

brevity · 29-09-2014 07:33PM

Here's that MNF piece focusing on Mingolet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV54FCLE6Ho

5live · 29-09-2014 07:40PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Thats not what Stoke did though from my recollection. They just told Walters to run him down, make him panic and as a result he found himself going into areas of the pitch he should never have been in due to not having that ability on the ball.

Errors on his part. Very bad ones actually.

His lack of ability on the ball is key, though. If he can/will only play a simple ball, the defense will have more time to get organised and pick up their men and good positions.

Lovren, though, can bring it out and play good passes to forwards. If i was playing against Liverpool, i would give Skrtel the ball all day long.:(

5live · 29-09-2014 07:51PM

SlickRic wrote: »

There's some lad playing for Stoke called Victor Moses who might be able to do a job for us.

far better than that Victor Moses lad we had last season.

Reckon he could score 20 goals for us in a season...

OwaynOTT · 29-09-2014 08:21PM

Fescue wrote: »

Apparently Gary Neville has been very critical of Mignolet on Monday Night Football.

Something to do with his starting position.

Crouching down too low.

Criticised his shot stopping, which is his best attribute. Carrageen going on about how he should have saved Ba's shot after Gerrard slipped, that Mignolet doesn't make saves that win points.

Well I recall him saving a penalty in his debut thus winning two points and he made a cracking save against Southampton this season earning another two points.

Shot shopping ain't a problem, coming off his line at the right time is an issue and his distribution but shot stopping is fine. Bit of scapegoating going on there tonight.

mav79 · 29-09-2014 08:22PM

Bring back Valero, it all went to **** when he left.

Augmerson · 29-09-2014 08:25PM

Doni.

mav79 · 29-09-2014 08:26PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Doni.

Surely Sterlings place is safe:)

mav79 · 29-09-2014 08:32PM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Criticised his shot stopping, which is his best attribute. Carrageen going on about how he should have saved Ba's shot after Gerrard slipped, that Mignolet doesn't make saves that win points.

Well I recall him saving a penalty in his debut thus winning two points and he made a cracking save against Southampton this season earning another two points.

Shot shopping ain't a problem, coming off his line at the right time is an issue and his distribution but shot stopping is fine. Bit of scapegoating going on there tonight.

I do find it odd that last week Sakho got slated for a headed clearance falling to an opposition player and resulting in a goal, yet Mignolet is being made the scapegoat and Lovrens clearance is not being mentioned. I feel we conceded an amazing goal that would have had fans purring if a Liverpool player scored it. The biggest mistake was dropping deep and inviting Everton on.

woodyg · 29-09-2014 08:44PM

i was going to come on here an say Gary shut the fup up your talking ****
but then i watched it and ......

he talks sense nothing but fuping sense
the man is going to make a quality coach, he has spotted a big weakness with Mig and to be frank i hope Carra brings it to light with the Pool coaches.
True the strike might have beaten him anyways but not being in the correct position for the shot meant he had no chance.
being so young it can be got out of him and some long sessions on the training ground to drill it out might work.
It's as Carra says these big moments that change the course of a season.
He tips that on to the bar we have 3 big points which give the club a lift going to Basel.

29-09-2014 08:50PM

Migs positioning is poor. It's been mentioned on here before.

jesus_thats_gre · 29-09-2014 09:09PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Migs positioning is poor. It's been mentioned on here before.

Ah but it was mentioned by Alan.

garra · 29-09-2014 09:21PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Many of them are better than Skrtel in that department, that's all that matters.

You dont "target" a player by letting them have the ball.

I can well remember Steve Staunton being "targetted" in this manner, ie by letting him be the one to bring the ball out of defence, especially when playing centre-half. He was great on a dead ball but not the most clever in distribution or technical in possession. Don't let the term fool you, it is most definitely a prescribed tactic to target that player in the knowledge they will cough up possession by closely marking the nearest players to him.

gafferino · 29-09-2014 09:22PM

Anyone got the skinny on Basel? I see they are top of the league:
P10 W7 D1 L2

Utopia Parkway · 29-09-2014 09:23PM

Plenty of legitimate things to criticise Mignolet for but the Jagielka goal is not one of them. Very very few keepers save that. If any.

5starpool · 29-09-2014 09:30PM

gafferino wrote: »

Anyone got the skinny on Basel? I see they are top of the league:
P10 W7 D1 L2

We'll do very well to get anything out of the game I reckon. I don't know a huge amount about them, but they don't need to be great to fancy a win against us at home the way we are going.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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