Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Syferus · 20-09-2014 07:18PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Genuine question here - but what kind of ridiculous demands would they make?

Trying to axe his number one selector because of previous bad blood would certainly qualify. The Mayo CB have made it clear they want to hem in the manager's ability to control access to county men, something most managers at the highest level are very wary of.

They would have known what the end result of playing hard ball would be in that situation too. The truth of what has happened will spill out eventually anyways.

TCDStudent1 · 20-09-2014 07:29PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Postponent of club games, more resources to compete with the likes of Donegal and Dublin, and possibly paying for week long training camps of the type Donegal have been doing before important games.

That good enough for you?

You can't expect to win AI's if you aren't matching your main rivals in terms of preparations. I'm sure even someone like you would agree with that. Horan had to threathen to resign to get his way on some issues. Would Connelly be the same? If not, and he becomes a County Board Yes man who won't rock the boat, then we can forget about being competitive at the business end.

No inter county manager should have a say over when club matches are scheduled. I believe this should be the case in all counties. Its a broader debate than the Mayo manager job. There should be no county players involved in club matches the week before the match, possibly two weeks. But managers should not control club fixtures. If that becomes the case, then club football deteriorates and that means county football suffers in the long term.

Interestingly, from what I have heard of people within the Mayo camp, it was that Mayo actually do have loads of resources. In terms of nutritionists etc, nothing is spared. So I am curious if there is any potential for improvement here. Maybe a new manager would like to cut back on such things. Who knows....

Someone like me - whats that supposed to mean??

Trying to axe his number one selector because of previous bad blood would certainly qualify. The Mayo CB have made it clear they want to hem in the manager's ability to control access to county men, something most managers at the highest level are very wary of.

They would have known what the end result of playing hard ball would be in that situation too. The truth of what has happened will spill out eventually anyways.

Aah ok, that would be out of order. A manager should be able to select his own backroom team as he needs to be able to work with them. But from reports I read a couple of weeks ago, it was the players who had a problem with McHale, not the county board. Or does McHale just annoy a lot of people?!

realweirdo · 20-09-2014 07:50PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

No inter county manager should have a say over when club matches are scheduled. I believe this should be the case in all counties.

Someone like me - whats that supposed to mean??

I'm afraid you just aren't keeping up with the modern demands of managers.

Jim McGuinness, who most people rate as perhaps the best manager in the game credited the postponement of club games as having a major factor in Donegal's success this year. James Horan also demanded it. I think I will trust these guys over some of the people who run County Boards.

In other words, if a top manager asks for club games to be postponed to give the county the best possible chance, they should be postponed, no questions asked.

When I say someone like you, I mean that you seem to consistantly disagree with the approach taken by the likes of Horan and McGuinness and you downplay their influence and role. So I take it you have managed with some success somewhere?

Again I will defer to their ability and knowhow.

McGuinness is a sports psychologist and is leading the way in terms of the advancement of Gaelic football. To ignore what Donegal are doing or not to try and emmulate some of it, is a recipe for being left behind. The new manager will have to be as radical as McGuinness.

As for McHale, there is nothing wrong with him. He's passionate about the game, so much so that he still hurts from 1996. I'd rather that than someone that's not too bothered about winning or losing.

As for expecting club championships to go ahead without major inter-county players playing, I'm sorry this is a farcical comment. Clubs like Breaffy, Castlebar, Ballina and others would be put at a major disadvantage because of this and probably wouldn't come out of Mayo. It's not going to happen. Players will find a way to play for their clubs.

TCDStudent1 · 20-09-2014 08:01PM

realweirdo wrote: »

I'm afraid you just aren't keeping up with the modern demands of managers.

Jim McGuinness, who most people rate as perhaps the best manager in the game credited the postponement of club games as having a major factor in Donegal's success this year. James Horan also demanded it. I think I will trust these guys over some of the people who run County Boards.

In other words, if a top manager asks for club games to be postponed to give the county the best possible chance, they should be postponed, no questions asked.

When I say someone like you, I mean that you seem to consistantly disagree with the approach taken by the likes of Horan and McGuinness and you downplay their influence and role. So I take it you have managed with some success somewhere?

Again I will defer to their ability and knowhow.

What? I have never mentioned McGuinness anywhere in this thread

McGuinness is a fantastic manager. Horan was a very good manager for Mayo.

I stand by that I do not think any inter-county manager should have influence over club matches. All you do is alienate club players. And county players are NOTHING without their clubs. So I do not think it is right for inter-county managers to demand such things. If I was the guy appointing an inter-county manager and he came into an interview demanding club championship would be postponed til after the county team are out of the championship, I would not agree. The county board need to look after club players as well as county players. You cannot just ignore club players. Sure, it would be great for the manager to have exclusive access to their players. But at the expense of the MAJORITY of senior players in the county? Sorry, but I dont think that is a reasonable demand of any manager.

wirelessdude01 · 20-09-2014 08:09PM

At least in Donegal players knew that that no championship games would be played until they were eliminated thus allowing them to arrange holidays the likes. Don't agree with it though.

realweirdo · 20-09-2014 08:15PM

Take the county players out of Ballintubber, Breaffy, Castlebar and some other big teams and they are just average teams, no offence to the other players on these teams. It ain't going to happen regardless of what TCDstudent thinks. An important club championship game, the big players are going to try and play, and their clubs will want them to play. And then you have the County Board made up of representitives of the clubs getting upset with the County Manager.

And when you have big players playing for clubs a week before big All-Ireland games, there is a risk of injury to big players.

At least Horan tried to rise above the petty tribalism of the clubs. I hope the next manager will be able to do the same. Big players playing for clubs during the All-Ireland campaign, you can write off Mayo winning anything. You can be sure McStay would make it a demand and rightly so. Because he wants a professional approach. Which is why he probably won't get the Mayo job. The county board and the clubs want to call the shots in Mayo, one of the reasons its been 63 years since we won.

davegrohl48 · 20-09-2014 08:16PM

In the overall scheme of things Mayo are pretty well resourced.
Their medical n physio team is likely the best in the country as it can access n is run by thr Mayo injury clinic under Liam Moffat.
Fitness was under Ed Coughlan an advanced coach expert in long term development of fitness n crucially coordination (left hand hand passes are up in Mayo football no small wonder). Team had a sports psychologist. They have Mchale park facilities n gym n The centre of excellence facilities n gym. A decathlete like Bryan Clay multiple record holder n medallist trained with his family at the track very often n had far from that kind of support in terms of access to backroom team. Did nicer hotels n lack of a prep week get us beaten by Kerry or a lack of a four year developed full back? An excuse about resources is taking easy way out. There is a setup there to deliver prepared match fresh players.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 20-09-2014 08:44PM

It's a done deal. Connelly has it. Players wanted him as well from what I hear

Syferus · 20-09-2014 09:06PM

The didn't not want McStay or McHale. Once the CB decided to try and pick and choose who could be selector there was only going to be one name left in the hat. Connelly isn't a scrub but no one should be blinkered enough to think this process was anything resembling an organisational success.

Fowler87 · 20-09-2014 09:44PM

It will be interesting anyhow with the co-manager setup but there has to me alot of doubts too in how it will work out as they are two big characters with likely different ideas. Suppose big positive in that both have been involved with alot of the team at some stage in underage ranks.

Oh and gwan the 'Haunis! Finally back in a county final again:D

Coillte_Bhoy · 20-09-2014 09:45PM

Statement Re: Mayo Senior Football Team Manager

Today Saturday 20th September 2014 the Mayo Senior Football Team Interview Committee met with the Executive of the Mayo County Board where they gave the recommendation that Noel Connolly & Pat Holmes be put forward for the position as Senior Football Team Manager. The other candidate in the process, Kevin McStay, was this afternoon informed of this intention. Mr McStay, while very disappointed, stated he was happy with the board’s decision and wished Noel Connolly and Pat Holmes the very best with their future endeavours.

The Mayo G.A.A. County Board would like to thank most sincerely Kevin McStay for his time in this process and we wish him the very best in the future.
There will be no further comment until the new Management team has been put in place.

Coillte_Bhoy · 20-09-2014 09:47PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

It will be interesting anyhow with the co-manager setup but there has to me alot of doubts too in how it will work out as they are two big characters with likely different ideas. Suppose big positive in that both have been involved with alot of the team at some stage in underage ranks.

Oh and gwan the 'Haunis! Finally back in a county final again:D

Took a Kiltimagh man to get ye there

Well done

Coillte_Bhoy · 20-09-2014 09:48PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Take the county players out of Ballintubber, Breaffy, Castlebar and some other big teams and they are just average teams, no offence to the other players on these teams. It ain't going to happen regardless of what TCDstudent thinks. An important club championship game, the big players are going to try and play, and their clubs will want them to play. And then you have the County Board made up of representitives of the clubs getting upset with the County Manager.

And when you have big players playing for clubs a week before big All-Ireland games, there is a risk of injury to big players.

At least Horan tried to rise above the petty tribalism of the clubs. I hope the next manager will be able to do the same. Big players playing for clubs during the All-Ireland campaign, you can write off Mayo winning anything. You can be sure McStay would make it a demand and rightly so. Because he wants a professional approach. Which is why he probably won't get the Mayo job. The county board and the clubs want to call the shots in Mayo, one of the reasons its been 63 years since we won.

The GAA in Mayo is a hell of a lot bigger than just the county team.

Fowler87 · 20-09-2014 09:52PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Took a Kiltimagh man to get ye there Well done

First year too has worked miracles with this young side. 1988 was our last so its a serious achievement considering the shambles we had last year regards management. Top young manager is Tomas

km79 · 20-09-2014 09:55PM

Is Noel Connelly's brother vice chairman of the county board? I just can't understand the speed at which this was done since nominations closed

Kristopherus · 20-09-2014 09:59PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Statement Re: Mayo Senior Football Team Manager

Today Saturday 20th September 2014 the Mayo Senior Football Team Interview Committee met with the Executive of the Mayo County Board where they gave the recommendation that Noel Connolly & Pat Holmes be put forward for the position as Senior Football Team Manager. The other candidate in the process, Kevin McStay, was this afternoon informed of this intention. Mr McStay, while very disappointed, stated he was happy with the board’s decision and wished Noel Connolly and Pat Holmes the very best with their future endeavours.

The Mayo G.A.A. County Board would like to thank most sincerely Kevin McStay for his time in this process and we wish him the very best in the future.
There will be no further comment until the new Management team has been put in place.

What a lovely bland statement that even a blind person could see through:rolleyes:

Defiler Of The Coffin · 20-09-2014 10:23PM

I'm a bit surprised that it's happened all so fast, were all the candidates even interviewed?! It'll be interesting to hear what further comment the county board has on the matter. People were looking for someone the players will row in behind and continue to build upon the past 4 years, I think Connelly is the man to keep them rolling. Now that we have a Castlebar man on board will the allegations of prejudice against certain players finally cease?

yop · 20-09-2014 11:06PM

km79 wrote: »

Is Noel Connelly's brother vice chairman of the county board? I just can't understand the speed at which this was done since nominations closed

Is that for sure? Would it not be a conflict of interest then?

km79 · 20-09-2014 11:13PM

yop wrote: »

Is that for sure? Would it not be a conflict of interest then?

that was a genuine question from me to be sure its not hearsay BUT I'm almost certain he is.......

yop · 20-09-2014 11:16PM

km79 wrote: »

that was a genuine question from me to be sure its not hearsay BUT I'm almost certain he is.......

Not comfortable with that if that is the case. But that is me only been sceptical
I think the McHale factor had a lot to do with this and McStays decision not to back down. Also I "believe" that the players preferred Connelly/Holmes.

KMFCross · 20-09-2014 11:17PM

Mike Connelly is Noels brother and he is Vice Chairman of the County Board.

http://www.mayogaa.com/contentPage/18067/executive

FaganJr · 20-09-2014 11:24PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Thanks for that confirmation that you havent a clue. There is absolutley NO reason why you wouldnt just say it if you actually knew

:cool::cool::cool:Point proven, now go back under your rock and continue not having a clue!:cool::cool::cool:

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-09-2014 11:32PM

Christ,
A power of S...te being posted here all day.

On the selection process. Its not as if the CB did not start discussing who they wanted weeks if not months ago.
Horans contract was up so they were hardly going to wait till 23.01 Thursday night to start figuring out who they wanted.

Connelly was always top of their list and all they needed was his official nomination to make it a done deal.
And I'm sure they weighed up McStay in the past weeks and months also because he too was a likely candidate.

Now is Connelly a CB "yes" man ?
I don't know, but some seem to think that because he is in the county and involved with the development teams then he is a "yes" man.
If you recall Horan was in the county in 2010 too, was he a "yes" man ?

Finally I think its a good appointment, though I'm not sure how Holm's fits in officially yet.
I have not seen the term joint managers used in the press release but I assume that is the idea.

They both have plenty of knowledge of what is in Mayo at the moment and I have said many times that that is what is needed right now in Mayo.
Plus they were the managers of a lot of the core of this team as under 21 All Ireland winners.

As for McStay I think he was just seen as a bit of a blow in, even though he is from Mayo.
Personally I would have no problem with McStay but I was not sure about McHale.
I think his philosophy may be more rooted on 1996 tactics than 2015

yop · 20-09-2014 11:39PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Christ,
A power of S...te being posted here all day.

On the selection process. Its not as if the CB did not start discussing who they wanted weeks if not months ago.
Horans contract was up so they were hardly going to wait till 23.01 Thursday night to start figuring out who they wanted.

Connelly was always top of their list and all they needed was his official nomination to make it a done deal.
And I'm sure they weighed up McStay in the past weeks and months also because he too was a likely candidate.

Now is Connelly a CB "yes" man ?
I don't know, but some seem to think that because he is in the county and involved with the development teams then he is a "yes" man.
If you recall Horan was in the county in 2010 too, was he a "yes" man ?

Finally I think its a good appointment, though I'm not sure how Holm's fits in officially yet.
I have not seen the term joint managers used in the press release but I assume that is the idea.

They both have plenty of knowledge of what is in Mayo at the moment and I have said many times that that is what is needed right now in Mayo.
Plus they were the managers of a lot of the core of this team as under 21 All Ireland winners.

As for McStay I think he was just seen as a bit of a blow in, even though he is from Mayo.
Personally I would have no problem with McStay but I was not sure about McHale.
I think his philosophy may be more rooted on 1996 tactics than 2015

Agree with all of the above, been reading a few forums and Facebook pages and fk me all the barstoolers are out in force tonight. "Im not given them CB fkers a penny of my money again" "Connelly has not experience" etc etc etc.

As already stated, Connelly and Holmes have current or close on current county board experience. Connelly has been involved in the development squads and has U21 experience with Mayo so is not green as to how to manage a county team.
McStay is been seen as the tactical genuis by some, of course he is when he gets a few hours to review the game before the Sunday Game and then analyzes it perfectly. Winning club with Bridgets was a great achivement, was Holmes winning a league title with Mayo not just as relevant and/or that team taking us to the U21 final or Holmes taking a Castlebar team to a club final?

I'm HOPING that its a managment team picked for the right reasons and not for money saving or "Yes men" mentality. If it is then I am sure McStay won't be slow at coming out telling us that.

Aside from that, we have to get on with it now, we seem to have spent a lot of time bitchN and moaning over the last few months over 1 thing or another, time to band together and hope this team can take us one more step.

Syferus · 20-09-2014 11:55PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Christ,
A power of S...te being posted here all day.

On the selection process. Its not as if the CB did not start discussing who they wanted weeks if not months ago.
Horans contract was up so they were hardly going to wait till 23.01 Thursday night to start figuring out who they wanted.

Connelly was always top of their list and all they needed was his official nomination to make it a done deal.
And I'm sure they weighed up McStay in the past weeks and months also because he too was a likely candidate.

Now is Connelly a CB "yes" man ?
I don't know, but some seem to think that because he is in the county and involved with the development teams then he is a "yes" man.
If you recall Horan was in the county in 2010 too, was he a "yes" man ?

Finally I think its a good appointment, though I'm not sure how Holm's fits in officially yet.
I have not seen the term joint managers used in the press release but I assume that is the idea.

They both have plenty of knowledge of what is in Mayo at the moment and I have said many times that that is what is needed right now in Mayo.
Plus they were the managers of a lot of the core of this team as under 21 All Ireland winners.

As for McStay I think he was just seen as a bit of a blow in, even though he is from Mayo.
Personally I would have no problem with McStay but I was not sure about McHale.
I think his philosophy may be more rooted on 1996 tactics than 2015

McHale's tactics were exactly what Horan so successfully relied on the past four seasons. Mayo played the high press short-passing game owing much to basketball that has long been a trademark of teams McHale has been involved with. A bit of revisionism is one thing but c'mon now, Father.

21-09-2014 12:13AM

Who is Noel Connolly? Might be an underhand tactic by the Mayo county board to let everyone think they are appointing Noel Connelly while they have a trick up their sleeve. I know the GAA is an amateur organisation but to not even give the correct name of the person you are going to appoint as manager on your website is a pretty shambolic way to begin the new reign.

Am I right in thinking that when these two have been together Holmes has been the number 1 previously? If so, how will the change in dynamic work?

MaroonAndGreen · 21-09-2014 12:17AM

FaganJr wrote: »

:cool::cool::cool:Point proven, now go back under your rock and continue not having a clue!:cool::cool::cool:

Where has it been proved that McStay wasnt liked by the players??? Maybe you should go back to your own rock

yop · 21-09-2014 12:21AM

Its Connelly not Connolly

mattser · 21-09-2014 12:21AM

Who will I put my money on tomorrow, lads.

yop · 21-09-2014 01:04AM

mattser wrote: »

Who will I put my money on tomorrow, lads.

My lovely horse in the 3.30 at honeywell

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