Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

realweirdo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As far as I have researched Connelly had nothing to do with Castlebar in 2014.

So you are giving McStay all the credit for St. Bridget's success in 2013 and blaming Connelly for something he had nothing to do with in 2014

So you don't have a clue what you are on about.

Would you at least admit that Connelly has no record whatsoever as a senior manager in terms of success. In that regard appointing him is a gamble we don't need. I just want to see the best candidate get the job not the one who's "in"with the county board. The mayo county board are, were and will always be a shambles. James Horan knew this better than anyone. For the last time Connelly is unproven as a senior manager.

blinding

I think the Mayo County Board would prefer somebody that does to stand up to them.

We need someone that will stand up to them for the right reasons.

Hopefully we get it right and a bit of luck won't hurt either.

Fr Tod Umptious

realweirdo wrote: »

Would you at least admit that Connelly has no record whatsoever as a senior manager in terms of success. In that regard appointing him is a gamble we don't need. I just want to see the best candidate get the job not the one who's "in"with the county board. The mayo county board are, were and will always be a shambles. James Horan knew this better than anyone. For the last time Connelly is unproven as a senior manager.

I'll tell you what the facts are.
McStay has won a national senior title as a manager.
Connelly was not part of the Castlebar setup that lost this years club final, as you suggested he was.

My point is the manager should not be selected on an All Ireland senior competition win/loss comparison as you seem to think it should.

Since you don't even have your facts right I don't think your opinion is worth anything

Fr Tod Umptious

blinding wrote: »

I think the Mayo County Board would prefer somebody that does to stand up to them.

We need someone that will stand up to them for the right reasons.

Hopefully we get it right and a bit of luck won't hurt either.

I'm going to give the County Board an ounce of credit here.

They appointed Horan, who if anyone remotely knew anything about him they would know he is as far from a "yes" man as you can get.
And it was a great appointment, so don't underestimate the boards ability to do what's right for the senior team.

TCDStudent1

On the Connelly / Holmes nomination, Is it a joint manager proposal? Or is it a Connelly = manager / Holmes = assistant proposal (similar to the Moran / Morrisson set up).

Fr Tod Umptious

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

On the Connelly / Holmes nomination, Is it a joint manager proposal? Or is it a Connelly = manager / Holmes = assistant proposal (similar to the Moran / Morrisson set up).

According to the Irish Independent they have been nominated as joint managers.

According to the Connaught Telegraph Holmes has agreed to be nominated as a joint candidate with Connelly.

Holm's earlier ruled himself out of the running, but that was presumably as a stand alone candidate.

TCDStudent1

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent they have been nominated as joint managers.

According to the Connaught Telegraph Holmes has agreed to be nominated as a joint candidate with Connelly.

Holm's earlier ruled himself out of the running, but that was presumably as a stand alone candidate.

I think Connelly is a superior candidate to McStay. But not sure I'd be keen for a joint manager situation. Has this ever worked with success in GAA before? I remember Armagh had joint managers before Kernan but it is debatable if their tenure is considered successful. Anybody have success with it?

realweirdo

Looks like Connelly has got the job. I can't imagine the selection process was too rigorous. By the sounds of it, McStay was interviewed via one telephone call, a token gesture I'd say.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=224647

Bit of a farce really but what do you expect.

Connelly will I'd say be given a 3 year term with the option of a 4th. And unfortunately I can't see us winning an AI in that time.

seligehgit

If it is all done and dusted and Noel Connelly is a shoe in for the job,the whole process does seem to be a bit of a joke,surely the process could have been a tad more rigorous with both candidates formally interviewed for the post,setting out what they would bring to the table.A review of the last 4 years could have been undertaken to see what lessons could be learned and how to progress the County team towards achieving the ultimate goal.

I'm all for stability and certainty in relation to management of the County team but this smacks of undue haste in terms of the appointment seeing as it's quite a while until the FBD league starts up.I wonder how important a role that players from the 2006 under 21 team opinion would have played in terms of selecting the 2006 joint managers?

realweirdo

The closing date for nominations was Thursday night and already on Saturday morning it looks as if the word coming out that the job is Connelly's. No serious or thorough interviewing process by the looks of it.

The whole thing was a farce. It was always Connelly's job the way the County Board went about it. They roped in McStay to lesson the perception of it being a charade but it hasn't worked.

Another embarrasing and shameful episode from the County Board.

If there was a thorough review and interviewing process and Connelly emerged from that, fair enough. But there wasn't.

Coillte_Bhoy

realweirdo wrote: »

The closing date for nominations was Thursday night and already on Saturday morning it looks as if the word coming out that the job is Connelly's. No serious or thorough interviewing process by the looks of it.

The whole thing was a farce. It was always Connelly's job the way the County Board went about it. They roped in McStay to lesson the perception of it being a charade but it hasn't worked.

Another embarrasing and shameful episode from the County Board.

If there was a thorough review and interviewing process and Connelly emerged from that, fair enough. But there wasn't.

With all due respects you dont know what went on behind the scenes and how the process was conducted. You just seem to enjoy having ill informed populist style swipes at the county board

realweirdo

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

With all due respects you dont know what went on behind the scenes and how the process was conducted. You just seem to enjoy having ill informed populist style swipes at the county board

We all know the facts.

As for knowing what went on behind the scenes, you are right. In no way was it open and transparant or even serious.

The nominations closed Thursday night. The new man seems to be already in place.

Why all the speed?

Did they meet McStay face to face? Did they even give him the benefit of that? If they didn't, they should all be forced to resign.

There's nothing populist about it. It's about having a serious credible selection process not a rubber stamping charade.

Like I said, if they didn't meet McStay face to face it confirms mine and a lot of other peoples suspicions.

Coillte_Bhoy

realweirdo wrote: »

We all know the facts.

As for knowing what went on behind the scenes, you are right. In no way was it open and transparant or even serious.

The nominations closed Thursday night. The new man seems to be already in place.

Why all the speed?

Well you dont seem to know any facts. Why not appoint now if there were only two nominations and there was one clear preference.

realweirdo wrote: »

Did they meet McStay face to face? Did they even give him the benefit of that? If they didn't, they should all be forced to resign.

afaik they did, i may be wrong and who is going to force who to resign exactly???

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realweirdo wrote: »

Like I said, if they didn't meet McStay face to face it confirms mine and a lot of other peoples suspicions.

What suspicions would they be?

realweirdo

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well you dont seem to know any facts. Why not appoint now if there were only two nominations and there was one clear preference.


afaik they did, i may be wrong and who is going to force who to resign exactly???

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What suspicions would they be?

They were still putting together the selection committee last night.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/strong-backing-for-mcstay-to-be-next-mayo-manager-287783.html

And now the manager seems to be agreed.

It's like a judge giving a decision in a court case without bothering to hold a trial.

Can you not see what a farce this is?

I'm going to assume that Connelly hasn't got the job and there is going to be a formal process where both candidates are interviewed face to face, and then a recommendation is brought to the county board for a vote. Because that's the way its normally done.

Peist2007

McStay and McHale were Under-21 manager and coach in 2001 when Mayo lost to Tyrone in Sligo, in the year of foot and mouth. That Tyrone team went on and won 3 all-ireland seniors. Mayo never looked like winning that Under-21 final.

McStay did well with Brigids but inter county is a completely different level, especially at the level this current Mayo team want to be operating at. Further, when looking at football today with Donegal's system and the Dubs' relentless way of playing, the days of McStay's traditional tactics are gone. McStay is a good man and a straight shooter but not what Mayo need.

Is Connelly any better? Who knows. Hollymount have been integrated with Carramore (if i am correct) in recent years which is probably a reason why Connelly seems to have turned them around. Truth is, Hollymount have gained the best of Carramore and the introduction of 4 decent players to any club team will make a difference, especially at Intermediate level.

What Connelly has going for him is that he is a young coach with fresh ideas and, if he has what it takes, will have been studying the way top teams operate tactically and in terms of preparation over the past 4 or 5 years. This and the introduction of a good backroom staff (please god) could make Connelly a good appointment. A lot of unknowns as yet

realweirdo

No problem with that Peist. If after the selection committee interview both candidates face to face for an equal amount of time, hear out there ideas and plans for the job, what they can bring to the table, consider the merits of both candidates and then make a recommendation, then that's fine.

But it sounds like elements within the county board are trying to fast-track Connellys appointment even before the Selection Committee has been put together and proceedures agreed.

Peist2007

realweirdo wrote: »

No problem with that Peist. If after the selection committee interview both candidates face to face for an equal amount of time, hear out there ideas and plans for the job, what they can bring to the table, consider the merits of both candidates and then make a recommendation, then that's fine.

But it sounds like elements within the county board are trying to fast-track Connellys appointment even before the Selection Committee has been put together and proceedures agreed.

I have only been following this from afar and not really paying attention. But i have no doubt what you are saying is right. County Board in Mayo has always been incestuous. Shows what they are about in putting any candidate through a sham process. But, no more than ourselves, they will have a fair idea of their own position on the issue before any interviews take place. I mean, what is McStay or Connelly likely to say in an interview that will make much difference? The proof in the pudding is what they have done so far and what their methods are. That will all be known before any interview.

Barlett

Lads that stuff you're reading in the Hogan Stand is absolute rubbish, its all rumour and speculation based on nothing. The selection process as the County Board already stated will be the same as previously in that they will put together a panel and meet both candidates face to face in a proper interview process.

I remember the exact same stories four years ago saying Tommy Lyons already had the job before interviews took place. So lets just all calm down and see who will be appointed, it's unlikely we'll hear anything this week anyway.

realweirdo

Again, has anyone from the Selection Committee sat down with McStay? The committee was still being put together last night. So did they all drive to his home this morning or did he drive down to meet them in Mayo?

Surely they at least listened to what he had to say.

He won an All-Ireland Club title FFS! At least one face to face would have been a good idea. Its hard to gauge someone's ideas on the game from listening to them talk for a few minutes on the Sunday Game. In any case he usually has very insightful analysis on the Sunday Game, so again an interview would have helped. This is beyond a joke.

Peist2007

Barlett wrote: »

Lads that stuff you're reading in the Hogan Stand is absolute rubbish, its all rumour and speculation based on nothing. The selection process as the County Board already stated will be the same as previously in that they will put together a panel and meet both candidates face to face in a proper interview process.

I remember the exact same stories four years ago saying Tommy Lyons already had the job before interviews took place. So lets just all calm down and see who will be appointed, it's unlikely we'll hear anything this week anyway.

Yeah, as i said, i'm only really following snippets. But always fear the worst with our County Board.

Barlett

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yeah, as i said, i'm only really following snippets. But always fear the worst with our County Board.

Well now that I've gone looking its appearing everywhere...it's hard to know. I would be pleased if Buckley was staying on though.

Peist2007

Barlett wrote: »

Well now that I've gone looking its appearing everywhere...it's hard to know. I would be pleased if Buckley was staying on though.

I assumed Buckley would be gone and we'd be starting from scratch? Great news if we're keeping him

Coillte_Bhoy

realweirdo wrote: »

Again, has anyone from the Selection Committee sat down with McStay? The committee was still being put together last night. So did they all drive to his home this morning or did he drive down to meet them in Mayo?

Surely they at least listened to what he had to say.

He won an All-Ireland Club title FFS! At least one face to face would have been a good idea. Its hard to gauge someone's ideas on the game from listening to them talk for a few minutes on the Sunday Game. In any case he usually has very insightful analysis on the Sunday Game, so again an interview would have helped. This is beyond a joke.

In a previous post you said

realweirdo wrote: »

We all know the facts.

yet obviously you don't. Cant you just wait until it's done and then offer judgement when we do actually know the facts?

realweirdo

Yep, it's not just Hoganstand, it is everywhere. I'd say he's had the job for weeks now, since Horan stepped down. Let's hope it's not true anyways and proper proceedures are adhered to. McStay at least deserves that.

realweirdo

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

In a previous post you said yet obviously you don't. Cant you just wait until it's done and then offer judgement when we do actually know the facts?

I'm just relaying what's all over the news. Don't shoot the messenger here. Connelly as good as confirmed is what everyone is saying.

realweirdo

Looks certain now

https://www.newstalk.ie/Noel-Connelly-to-be-new-Mayo-manager

Not trying to be pedantic about it, but the facts are the nominations were closed Thursday night, the selection committee was being put together last night.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/strong-backing-for-mcstay-to-be-next-mayo-manager-287783.html

And Connelly has the the job today.

So either it was agreed he'd get the job before nominations were closed and/or selection committee had a chance to even meet properly or else it was agreed within a few hours of selection committee meeting.

Either way its a rubber stamping, end of.

supersean1999

Is It true mc stay has Had issues With The County board in The past

Syferus

It's been on national news reports. It's everywhere. It's a done deal. Some people need to be whacked over the face with something before they dare believe it.

The rumours about the Mayo CB not wanting McHale involved seem a real possibility now - McStay was never going to throw his brother-in-law and long-time collaborator under the bus for the job. McStay was always going to drive a harder bargain than Connelly, who seems to be on the inside track with the current Mayo brain trust. McStay would have been as independent (or even more so) than Horan so there may well not have been much appetite for the CB to upset the gray-beards in Mayo clubrooms even more after Horan riled them up so much over the last four years.

No need for interviews in the scenario of the Mayo making ridiculous demands of McStay - he'd tell them where to go.

TCDStudent1

Syferus wrote: »

It's been on national news reports. It's everywhere. It's a done deal. Some people need to be whacked over the face with something before they dare believe it.

The rumours about the Mayo CB not wanting McHale involved seem a real possibility now - McStay was never going to throw his brother-in-law and long-time collaborator under the bus for the job. McStay was always going to drive a harder bargain than Connelly, who seems to be on the inside track with the current Mayo brain trust. McStay would have been as independent (or even more so) than Horan so there may well not have been much appetite for the CB to upset the gray-beards in Mayo clubrooms even more after Horan riled them up so much over the last four years.

No need for interviews in the scenario of the Mayo making ridiculous demands of McStay - he'd tell them where to go.

Genuine question here - but what kind of ridiculous demands would they make?

realweirdo

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Genuine question here - but what kind of ridiculous demands would they make?

Postponent of club games, more resources to compete with the likes of Donegal and Dublin, and possibly paying for week long training camps of the type Donegal have been doing before important games.

That good enough for you?

You can't expect to win AI's if you aren't matching your main rivals in terms of preparations. I'm sure even someone like you would agree with that. Horan had to threathen to resign to get his way on some issues. Would Connelly be the same? If not, and he becomes a County Board Yes man who won't rock the boat, then we can forget about being competitive at the business end.