Ian Paisley has died

J Cheever Loophole · 12-09-2014 11:08PM

Lapin wrote: »

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Lapin wrote: »

A Great Man in so many ways. And occasionally flawed in others. But his contribution to the betterment of everyone on these islands will be his outstanding and everlasting legacy. History will judge him well. And rightly so. Rest in Peace.

Indeed - unfortunately many other people paid the ultimate price for those flaws

Possibly. Very possibly in fact. Thats politics. The decisions and statements people make often lead to casualties. Paisley was no more guilty of this than any other player.

Ah I see - Paisley might well have caused countless casualties through his rhetoric, but sure that's politics - it was for "the betterment of everyone" - wouldn't mind betting the families of the victims aren't too appreciative.

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 11:08PM

osarusan wrote: »

He was ... a powerful and mesmerising figure.

To morons and fellow bigots. One of the greatest scourges this island ever produced.

I'll reiterate; he said 'I had no choice' when it came to power-sharing so people should think twice about the 'he made peace' platitudes.

The British pulled the chain tight and brought the mad dogs of union/loyalism to heel. It's a pity they didn't do it in the early 70's.

Esel · 12-09-2014 11:13PM

moxin wrote: »

The Twelfth!!

Using the real, non-Papish, calendar though, it is the first.

Many Protestant countries initially objected to adopting a Catholic innovation; some Protestants feared the new calendar was part of a plot to return them to the Catholic fold. In the Czech lands, Protestants resisted the calendar imposed by the Habsburg Monarchy. In parts of Ireland, Catholic rebels until their defeat in the Nine Years' War kept the "new" Easter in defiance of the English-loyal authorities; later, Catholics practising in secret petitioned the Propaganda Fide for dispensation from observing the new calendar, as it signalled their disloyalty.

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:19PM

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Never heard of Hitler murdering anyone. I can guarantee he was responsible for inciting plenty.

What an embarrassment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlbmIMbKZa4

Didn't even bothering looking at your link. Hitler vs Ian Paisley. How immature. There were bad people on both sides. That's how peace is won.

ElizaT33 · 12-09-2014 11:21PM

His death just brings back the horrible past and all that suffered - that is his legacy - let us all move on ! United we are not

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:23PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

The pathetic posts keep on rollin' in. Nobody's problem with Paisley is him not being perfect. Cheers.

Don't know whats imperfect about that. Had many grandparents in the IRA and pay my taxes today in the Republic. I have gotten over it and do my best to live in the present. Unlike trolls like you.

MakeEmLaugh · 12-09-2014 11:23PM

Nice plagiarism of Christopher Hitchens' obituary of Jerry Falwell:

"The discovery of the carcass of Jerry Falwell on the floor of an obscure office in Virginia has almost zero significance...

Like many fanatical preachers, Falwell was especially disgusting in exuding an almost sexless personality while railing from dawn to dusk about the sex lives of others. His obsession with homosexuality was on a par with his lip-smacking evocations of hellfire...

The evil that he did will live after him.... It's a shame that there is no hell for Falwell to go to..."

- Christopher Hithchens, 2007

pedro1234 wrote: »

The cessation of Ian Paisley's beating heart today has almost no significance.

As with the death of any controversial figure, the passing of this cretin has ignited debate throughout Ireland, the United Kingdom and some parts of the rest of the world. At 88 years old, Paisley's death is not surprising given that he had been sick for some time.

Deaths of this kind are oftentimes accompanied by two arcs: those who won't speak ill of the dead and those who don't hold back. The same patterns emerged after the death of Margaret Thatcher in April of last year.

Paisley was a villainous thug who preyed on the impressionable youth in Northern Ireland, and is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people. In light of this I won't be holding back, and neither should you. The only tragedy about his death is that he did not die behind bars, where he would have been in good company.

When rallying a loyalist mob in 1969, Ian Paisley made a disgusting sectarian statement against Irish Catholics by stating “They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin”. Make no mistake, this was a man who made it his job to create animosity between two religious groups: Protestants and Catholics; a man who profited from the hatred he created and spread for most of his life; a man who if he had the power would have ethnically cleansed the six counties of Ulster under the control of the British government.

Paisley used religion to divide communities, separating people and creating barriers between them;barriers which still exist today. He created an “Us versus Them”mentality which is still largely prevalent, and this way of thinking is the chief reason the north is so divided, even in government. His actions filled graveyards with the bodies of innocent young men and women; events he openly celebrated.

Like many fanatical evangelist preachers, Paisley was obsessed with the sex lives of others. Throughout the seventies and eighties he campaigned against homosexuality, citing the bible and asking the populace to “Save Ulster from sodomy!”. He celebrated the death of Pope John XXIII and remarked that the deceased Pope was now in hell for all eternity, so why should people be prevented from extending the same courtesy to him?

The evil he created will live long after him, and it will take Northern Ireland generations to recover from this rat bag's actions. It's a shame there is no hell for him go to.

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:25PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

The revisionists will gloss over any hard evidence you provide to support that that bigot Ian Paisley... was indeed a bigot.

How am I a revisionist(ie trying to change the past, in case you don't understand what you are saying)

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 11:28PM

thomur wrote: »

Didn't even bothering looking at your link. Hitler vs Ian Paisley. How immature. There were bad people on both sides. That's how peace is won.

I agree it's a stretch to compare Paisley to Hitler, but the point being made was that even though Paisley didn't commit violent acts, he incited violence and encouraged the disenfranchisement of a community.
People are hardly unreasonable to be critical of that, but it's fashionable to downplay what nationalists experienced post partition, and which Paisley wholeheartedly endorsed.
I don't see how Paisley's involvement in the Peace Process (of which he said he had no choice, implying it wasn't voluntary) means there can't be criticism of his repulsive behaviour, which helped create the conditions that required a Peace Process in the first place.
There was bad on both sides - ah good auld whataboutery. Yes there was bad on both sides... but... this is about Ian Paisley. What exactly is the point of "There was bad on both sides"?

Shakespeare's Sister · 12-09-2014 11:31PM

thomur wrote: »

Don't know whats imperfect about that.

Huh?
I said people's problem with Paisley is far more than him being imperfect, seeing as you said "Nobody's perfect" as if that's the only issue with him.

Had many grandparents in the IRA and pay my taxes today in the Republic. I have gotten over it and do my best to live in the present. Unlike trolls like you.

How am I a troll? A troll is someone who posts stuff purely to wind others up, no other reason - often they don't even believe what they're saying.
Given the above criteria, the person closest to a troll here is you.

Nobody has to downplay terrible things that were done in the recent past, whether Enniskillen, Warrington, Bloody Sunday, Jean McConville, the Shankill Butchers or Paisley's bigotry. Refusing to downplay these things does not mean a person has not moved on. People can move on, but, out of respect for the victims, won't be so callous as to play the "Ah get over it, it's in the past" card.

keithclancy · 12-09-2014 11:36PM

He's sitting on Hells internet connection, if there is such a thing delighted he'll be remember for something

K-9 · 12-09-2014 11:39PM

Hard to believe he seems more unpopular than Thatcher on here! To be fair, there's a hell of a lot not to like!

Filmer Paradise · 12-09-2014 11:40PM

So, Big Ian has gone er.....away somewhere..

I liked his quote where he described alcohol as 'the Devil's buttermilk'.

He was good at whipping up less educated people than himself into a frenzy one way or another about his persona.

He'll be missed by some.

R.I.P.

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 11:41PM

thomur wrote: »

He did his part to improve the situation.

He, by his own admission, 'had no choice' but to go into power sharing. There's nobody more responsible for stoking the flames of conflict in the north than Ian Paisley.

Paisley portrayed the civil rights movement as a Republican conspiracy to the paranoid droolers who listened to him. He split Unionism when it looked like there was going to be a compromise in the early 70's. He fought every single move toward a settlement. He opposed the GFA.

Paisley saw the writing on the wall and swooped in at the last moment to lift the trophy after everyone else had done the heavy lifting.

michael999999 · 12-09-2014 11:43PM

moxin wrote: »

What did he die off? Not one news outlet has stated this afaik.

He choked on he's own bile.

Quiet fitting really!

BoJack Horseman · 12-09-2014 11:43PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

swooped in at the last moment to lift the trophy after everyone else had done the heavy lifting.

The John Terry of NI politics.

Bafucin · 12-09-2014 11:44PM

He had deeply twisted views on many topics from other religions to gay people. His son is just as bigoted and twisted and seems just as determined to stick the knife into society and twist it.

You can't compare him to Hitler, what an obituary!

12-09-2014 11:45PM

A religious fanatic, no different then people like a Abu Hamza who's hate filled speeches was the motivation to murder people. Burn in hell.

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:52PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I agree it's a stretch to compare Paisley to Hitler, but the point being made was that even though Paisley didn't commit violent acts, he incited violence and encouraged the disenfranchisement of a community.
People are hardly unreasonable to be critical of that, but it's fashionable to downplay what nationalists experienced post partition, and which Paisley wholeheartedly endorsed.
I don't see how Paisley's involvement in the Peace Process (of which he said he had no choice, implying it wasn't voluntary) means there can't be criticism of his repulsive behaviour, which helped create the conditions that required a Peace Process in the first place.
There was bad on both sides - ah good auld whataboutery. Yes there was bad on both sides... but... this is about Ian Paisley. What exactly is the point of "There was bad on both sides"?

Ok fair points. My point is that back then there was black and white(Catholic vs Protestant). There was bad on both sides. How many so called republicans are in the Republic now(Alan Ryan/criminal). My overall point was that although I don't agree with Paisley, he went further for peace than I would probably if I was in his situation.

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:54PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

He, by his own admission, 'had no choice' but to go into power sharing. There's nobody more responsible for stoking the flames of conflict in the north than Ian Paisley.

Paisley portrayed the civil rights movement as a Republican conspiracy to the paranoid droolers who listened to him. He split Unionism when it looked like there was going to be a compromise in the early 70's. He fought every single move toward a settlement. He opposed the GFA.

Paisley saw the writing on the wall and swooped in at the last moment to lift the trophy after everyone else had done the heavy lifting.[/QUOT
Whats the difference between him and Nelson Mandela. I don't like what he done but Id say it was harder for him to say what he had to say that for you to say something on boards.ie

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 11:55PM

thomur wrote: »

How am I a revisionist (ie trying to change the past, in case you don't understand what you are saying)

Honestly, facepalm. Historical Revisionism is an attempt to re-write history. History itself is an interpretation of reality.

Thankfully we live in a time when there is so much overwhelming evidence of the realities Paisley's scumbaggery that anyone trying to be a revisionist is exposed as a fellow bigot or simply ignorant of the facts or some combination of the two.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 11:57PM

Don't know what to make of Martin McGuiness calling him a friend ???

thomur · 12-09-2014 11:59PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Huh?
I said people's problem with Paisley is far more than him being imperfect, seeing as you said "Nobody's perfect" as if that's the only issue with him.

How am I a troll? A troll is someone who posts stuff purely to wind others up, no other reason - often they don't even believe what they're saying.
Given the above criteria, the person closest to a troll here is you.

Nobody has to downplay terrible things that were done in the recent past, whether Enniskillen, Warrington, Bloody Sunday, Jean McConville, the Shankill Butchers or Paisley's bigotry. Refusing to downplay these things does not mean a person has not moved on. People can move on, but, out of respect for the victims, won't be so callous as to play the "Ah get over it, it's in the past" card.

Ok apologies for calling you a troll. I agree with you that we cant forget what was done in the past but we cant go on living with it. I agree we have to respect the victims. It was a war on two sides. What other way is there only to forget about it and move on.

Karl Stein · 13-09-2014 12:00AM

thomur wrote: »

Whats the difference between him and Nelson Mandela.

Dear oh dear.

If you're asking that question seriously then you either won't understand the answer or are not interested in hearing it.

I don't like what he done but Id say it was harder for him to say what he had to say that for you to say something on boards.ie

What?

Filmer Paradise · 13-09-2014 12:01AM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Don't know what to make of Martin McGuiness calling him a friend ???

No big deal.

As Nelson Mandella said 'You don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies'.

They had a good turn as the Chuckle Brothers for a while too.

Shakespeare's Sister · 13-09-2014 12:06AM

thomur wrote: »

Ok apologies for calling you a troll. I agree with you that we cant forget what was done in the past but we cant go on living with it. I agree we have to respect the victims. It was a war on two sides. What other way is there only to forget about it and move on.

Appreciate your posts, thanks.
In my opinion, moving on is accepting and trying to understand the other tradition(s) and condemning all violence - I think this can be done without ever forgetting/downplaying the atrocities. Forgiving is a different story - if someone demonstrates remorse and asks for forgiveness, well I don't know whether people directly affected could ever forgive them, but I'd see that as a very laudible move.

thomur · 13-09-2014 12:07AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Honestly, facepalm. Historical Revisionism is an attempt to re-write history. History itself is an interpretation of reality.

Thankfully we live in a time when there is overwhelming evidence of the realities Paisley's scumbaggery that anyone trying to be a revisionist is exposed as a fellow bigot or simply ignorant of the facts or some combination of the two.

Ok I know it affected you how?. I've lived in Dublin for 40+ years, he has never bothered me. My mother told me about the Black and Tans in her home in Clare(Never bothered my family there either).Family were old IRA, cousin (Martin Devitt was in the Rineen ambush)My original point was that it took a lot for him to bring a lot of Northern Protestants into the peace process. Better the devil you know.

thomur · 13-09-2014 12:11AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Dear oh dear.

If you're asking that question seriously then you either won't understand the answer or are not interested in hearing it.

What?

OK put a star trek movie. That's really good. Maybe all you can understand is Klingons and Vulcans. Back to preschool

Lapin · 13-09-2014 12:12AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

Satan has the fires of hell burning mighty today.

Why?

Is he knobbing your sister again ?

osarusan · 13-09-2014 12:13AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

To morons and fellow bigots. One of the greatest scourges this island ever produced.

I'll reiterate; he said 'I had no choice' when it came to power-sharing so people should think twice about the 'he made peace' platitudes.

The British pulled the chain tight and brought the mad dogs of union/loyalism to heel. It's a pity they didn't do it in the early 70's.

Wow, what a pointless parsing of my post.

Ian Paisley has died

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