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Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)
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Over here we have Stop and Yield signs everywhere. It would be rather difficult to make assumption like that.
Minor & Major roads junctions have signs on approach, too.
No we don't. Very few urban intersections have signs. They are only on junctions into high-speed roads.
I'm seeing stuff like people just driving straight out of a housing estate onto a suburban 50kmh road. That's exactly the environment where continental drivers will assume it applies
Think about your average Irish mainstreet. They're aren't signs at the end of every single intersecting road. Same in the suburbs. In many cases there mightn't even be a painted stop line.
Anyway, it was just something I've observed in some of the videos online showing bad driving. I'm just wondering if there's a driver education culture clash going on.0 -
Things to note with this video:
- I haven't included my lengthy and intrusive significant 2 second stamp I put as the intro to my videos on my channel at the beginning of this video because of "several" complaints received by the mods on my previous videos, even though they were relative to the thread so I said I wouldn't post videos as often any more unless they were interesting enough to upload twice to youtube, one without the stamp for you guys
- This is a prime example of why I'd never "mute" the audio being recorded on a dash cam. Sound can play a big part in what exactly happened and I think this is a good enough example of that.
- This is recorded with a mini 0803. The image looks very grainy and this seems to be the standard with night videos recorded with it. Perhaps there's some settings to change it to be more natural but I don't think I'll be testing it for a solution as it's still decent quality
I'm almost afraid to post this here in fear of another roundabout debate, but I'm hoping you all agree I'm clear of fault here. I couldn't get a proper look at the damage, but it appears to be mainly just black marks around the door area of the Astra van. She was trying to put the blame on me stating she knew how to use roundabouts as her husband is a driving instructor and she drove in the UK I explained she was at fault and told her I had it on video and I'd be in touch. 0 - I haven't included my lengthy and intrusive significant 2 second stamp I put as the intro to my videos on my channel at the beginning of this video because of "several" complaints received by the mods on my previous videos, even though they were relative to the thread so I said I wouldn't post videos as often any more unless they were interesting enough to upload twice to youtube, one without the stamp for you guys
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Things to note with this video:
- I haven't included my lengthy and intrusive significant 2 second stamp I put as the intro to my videos on my channel at the beginning of this video because of "several" complaints received by the mods on my previous videos, even though they were relative to the thread so I said I wouldn't post videos as often any more unless they were interesting enough to upload twice to youtube, one without the stamp for you guys
- This is a prime example of why I'd never "mute" the audio being recorded on a dash cam. Sound can play a big part in what exactly happened and I think this is a good enough example of that.
- This is recorded with a mini 0803. The image looks very grainy and this seems to be the standard with night videos recorded with it. Perhaps there's some settings to change it to be more natural but I don't think I'll be testing it for a solution as it's still decent quality
I'm almost afraid to post this here in fear of another roundabout debate, but I'm hoping you all agree I'm clear of fault here. I couldn't get a proper look at the damage, but it appears to be mainly just black marks around the door area of the Astra van. She was trying to put the blame on me stating she knew how to use roundabouts as her husband is a driving instructor and she drove in the UK I explained she was at fault and told her I had it on video and I'd
Are you asking for opinions or just posting a video?0 - I haven't included my lengthy and intrusive significant 2 second stamp I put as the intro to my videos on my channel at the beginning of this video because of "several" complaints received by the mods on my previous videos, even though they were relative to the thread so I said I wouldn't post videos as often any more unless they were interesting enough to upload twice to youtube, one without the stamp for you guys
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Did you speed up at 0:24 on purpose?
Just after 0:24 the turbo kicks in properly after having slowed down for the roundabout, it takes a moment to biteVoodoomelon wrote: »You were in correct lane, she was not. In fact entering the roundabout, she was in two lanes. Looks like you accelerated away from her to counteract a potential hit. How is it playing out?
I told her I'd be in touch today, it looks like it's just markings and could probably be cleaned off and buffed back to good. I'd be happy with whatever that costs, but not prepared to invest a lot of time into such a minor thing to recuperate small costs, I don't need it perfect but she seemed decent enough so it's probably going to be dealt with civilly. Couldn't even see where contact happened on hers, her car was pretty dusty and there were no obvious contact points, the visibility wasn't too good, it may have just been the side of her bumper.punisher5112 wrote: »Its a bad one but probably from the way you seen her driving would have been better to hold back.
Possibly alright, I think she mentioned she didn't see me and seemed surprised when I told her I was coming from the same direction she was.Are you asking for opinions or just posting a video?
Posting a video with the hope it doesn't sidetrack the thread to another huge roundabout discussion 0 -
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Unless the rules have changed since I last checked, the 12 O'clock system should be adhered to on Irish roundabouts? This would make any exit before 12 O'clock approachable from the left lane and any exit after, approachable from the right so the signs would follow this and then for example, if you follow the road up where I stopped in the video, heading towards Ballybrack/Church road, you can go in the right lane to this exit even if it's before 12 O'clock as there are two lanes for the exit. From what I also remember, there were discrepancies with the rules and not all eventualities were covered that may be encountered which is probably why the topic of roundabouts is always arduous :pac:
Is the 12 O'Clock rule new?
I've heard other people talk about it but I've no memory of it from studying for the test or doing the test. I did my test about 5 or 6 years ago too
I would always operate on the exit number or signs rule instead!0 -
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CatFromHue wrote: »Is the 12 O'Clock rule new?
I've heard other people talk about it but I've no memory of it from studying for the test or doing the test. I did my test about 5 or 6 years ago too
I would always operate on the exit number or signs rule instead!
I've not heard of it either,
There is mention of it in this RSA document though (PDF format)
They say golden rule, but it sounds more like a guideline so I would take it with a large pinch of salt
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf
Some roundabouts are just really bad designs and this looks like one of those.0 -
CatFromHue wrote: »Is the 12 O'Clock rule new?
I've heard other people talk about it but I've no memory of it from studying for the test or doing the test. I did my test about 5 or 6 years ago too
I would always operate on the exit number or signs rule instead!
I'm pretty sure it has applied for a while, this is just going from memory of what I've looked into after having done my test also (which was about 11 years ago?!). I think the exit number is used for simplicity but the 12 O'clock is the definitive approach from what I recall.re: Cormie.
Its very obvious, from early in the video, the other driver was not going to be following lane discipline.
Cormie's action was deliberate, whereas the other driver's action was inappropriate, predictable, but still accidental.
therefore Cormie, you might rethink any action...
What action was deliberate? Being crashed into?0 -
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CatFromHue wrote: »Is the 12 O'Clock rule new?
I've heard other people talk about it but I've no memory of it from studying for the test or doing the test. I did my test about 5 or 6 years ago too
I would always operate on the exit number or signs rule instead!
I always took the 12 o'clock "rule" as for indicating only. It's generally lane 1 for exit 1 & 2, lane 2 for exit 3 etc. If you used the 12 o'clock "rule" for lane discipline what would happen where a roundabout only had entrances/exits in the south and east positions (if you get what I mean)? People in lane 1 wouldn't be able to go past halfway and only people in lane 2 could ever exit.
There's a lot of conflicting rules of thumb, but basically I would never overtake someone on the left, or block them, when there's a left hand exit coming up.
Edit: Dammit I said I wouldn't get sucked back in to roundabouts. More videos!0 -
TheChizler wrote: »what would happen where a roundabout only had entrances/exits in the south and east positions (if you get what I mean)? People in lane 1 wouldn't be able to go past halfway and only people in lane 2 could ever exit.
I don't understand that?
They'd just adhere to the clock rule anyway? Unless every road onto the roundabout is an entrance, then they surely have to exit somewhere?
It's fairly easy:
- The roundabout is a clock face
- You always enter from 6 o clock
- If your exit is between 6 and 12 (left or straight ahead) you use the left lane.
- If your exit is after 12, you use the right lane.
I did my driving test less than a year ago, and this is how roundabouts were taught to me, and how I explained them to the tester, and I passed first time without any issue relating to the use of roundabouts (except observation). But my understanding and explanation of them didn't get me any marks, so I presume this is the norm.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »I don't understand that? They'd just adhere to the clock rule anyway? Unless every road onto the roundabout is an entrance, then they surely have to exit somewhere?
It's fairly easy:
- The roundabout is a clock face
- You always enter from 6 o clock
- If your exit is between 6 and 12 (left or straight ahead) you use the left lane.
- If your exit is after 12, you use the right lane.
I did my driving test less than a year ago, and this is how roundabouts were taught to me, and how I explained them to the tester, and I passed first time without any issue relating to the use of roundabouts (except observation). But my understanding and explanation of them didn't get me any marks, so I presume this is the norm.
Like this one for instance (the entrance to the East is new). If you rigidly said that lane 1 was only for exiting at 12 o'clock or before, nobody could use lane 1, as the only exits were after 12 and therefore you could only use lane 2. But I fear we digress...0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weUhb4F6DOo
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