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The Sunday Game Thread

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  • #212
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    I thought Keith Higgins was actually the most influential player on the field. JoD would have ran riot if he had not been there. Higgins was unlucky to be part of a back malfuctioning full back line but I can't argue with CoC.


  • #213
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,106 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Its a free website. Im not paid to give an opinion. You arent short of an opinion yourself.

    I'm not the one moaning about great players offering the opinions they are paid to share though, am I?


  • #214
    rebel girl 15
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    lads settle down, some posts are borderline WUMing from what I can see - cool it off now or action will be taken to help you cool off


  • #215
    SeanJ09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭SeanJ09


    Borders no.2 wrote: »
    Does Cillian O'Connor know someone in RTE. Good player and made some important contributions today but its getting beyond a laugh at this stage.

    He kicked 1-08 today.


  • #216
    Nib
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭Nib


    rebel girl 15 wrote: »
    lads settle down, some posts are borderline WUMing from what I can see - cool it off now or action will be taken to help you cool off
    Ice bucket challenge?


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  • #217
    Amprodude
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    I'm not the one moaning about great players offering the opinions they are paid to share though, am I?

    If O Hara is great player then im king of the world. Im not coming down O Hara but he wouldnt make alot of intercounty teams. He wouldnt be on a Kerry team for example or he wouldnt make the list of the top 25 greats in last 25 years. The reality is he wouldnt.


  • #218
    rebel girl 15
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    Nib wrote: »
    Ice bucket challenge?

    a week off the GAA forum might be better


  • #219
    tenbob1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭tenbob1


    I don't think bono would make a great DJ tbh.

    I know several car salesmen that would make crappy racing drivers.

    You do not have to be the best footballer ever to make a great pundit , I had my doubts about O'Hara last year, to me he seems to be a better pundit than footballer, and he was a pretty good football player.


  • #220
    Amprodude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    tenbob1 wrote: »
    and he was a pretty good football player.

    Define a good football player to me?
    If you ask me I say Gooch, Canavan,DOS, JOD, Maurice Fitz, Trevor Giles, Kieran McDonald, Michael Murphy, P.Joyce. B Brogan, D Connolly. Colm o Neill to name a few past and present.. O Hara isnt in that catergory.


  • #221
    tenbob1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭tenbob1


    I said good, not great, redefine your definitions .


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  • #222
    Say Your Number
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    Amprodude wrote: »
    Define a good football player to me?
    If you ask me I say Gooch, Canavan,DOS, JOD, Maurice Fitz, Trevor Giles, Kieran McDonald, Michael Murphy, P.Joyce. B Brogan, D Connolly. Colm o Neill to name a few past and present.. O Hara isnt in that catergory.

    I thought this thread was supposed to be about what the pundits say, not about what they did as players.


  • #223
    Nidgeweasel
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    Figsy32 wrote: »
    Are you being serious? He was one of the best midfielders in the country for over a decade. It's hardly his fault he's from Sligo. He even managed to drag them to a Connaught title.

    By the 'what have you won' logic not many people would be allowed have an opinion.

    Was he?


  • #224
    ProudDUB
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    Loads of snobs around tonight.

    There are plenty of former players with loads of Celtic crosses in their back pockets, who talk utter rubbish and are brutal on the telly/radio or in print. Being good on the pitch does not mean that you will be a good pundit off it. They regularly get shown up as bluffers by players who won little as they played for a weak county & by journalists who never played the games at all & won eff all.

    It is snobbery plain and simple to dismiss someones opinion, just because he doesn't have a bellyful of AI medals. How many All Ireland medals did Micheal O'Muircheartaigh win? I'd love to see some one march up to him & tell him to shut up because he never won anything. :rolleyes:


  • #225
    Diabhal Beag
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about, so you should stop. If you don't understand why your insult levelled at the players doesn't make a lick of sense (and you don't) that's grand, but referring to your ignorance as "the truth" didn't make it any less embarrassing. It's not the Americans' fault that the GAA have, once again, made a fixtures balls up.

    Aye I'm taking the pish there but it's probably fair to say not all of these lads will make the NFL? Also hear it isn't selling well at the moment?


  • #226
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    O'Hara was one of the best players of his era and at his peak would have got on every team in the country.It's easy to win All Ireland medals if your from Kerry.If Pat Spillane was born in Sligo he'd had exactly the same number of All Ireand medals as O'Hara has but it wouldn't mean he was any less entitled to talk about the game.

    Football is a team sport so winning medals has absolutely nothing to do with how good and individual player is


  • #227
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    Aye I'm taking the pish there but it's probably fair to say not all of these lads will make the NFL? Also hear it isn't selling well at the moment?

    Most of them won't make the nfl, but even on the very best teams in the country most of the players won't get anywhere near being drafted.

    You're right about it not selling well from what I can see. They had originally had hill tickets but have closed it since and moved people to the upper Hogan I think. But it's still probably going to have over 50000 at it. Shame though, if it sold well enough it would have seriously improved our chances if holding an NFL game down the road.


  • #228
    adrian522
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    What actual difference does it make how many players will make the NFL? Some will some won't, college football is a sport in it's own right.


  • #229
    flasher0030
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    Amprodude wrote: »
    Whelan and Early were far superior players.

    Such rubbish. Eamon O'Hara was one of the best naturally gifted midfielders in the country for almost a decade. Not putting down Dermot Early, Pat Spillane or Ciaran Whelan - they are all great players. But to say that they are better than Eamon O'Hara is just wrong.

    They played on teams that got higher profile and there you would obviously see them play more. I'm from Mayo, and have seen O'Hara play several times, and he is/was an exceptional talent. Magnificent fielder, for someone who isn't your typical midfielder height.

    I don't get as excited about his commentary, but it's early days for him yet, and I'm sure it takes a long time to get comfortable in a TV studio with nerves being an issue for a while.


  • #230
    Figsy32
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    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    :pac:

    I wonder how many times people questioning his playing ability actually saw him play?

    I suppose a lot of those would not consider the likes of Gary Brennan, Emelyn Mulligan, Brendan Murphy or Paddy Keenan great players either because they have never got the chance to win things?


  • #231
    Nidgeweasel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    flasher0030 wrote: »
    Such rubbish. Eamon O'Hara was one of the best naturally gifted midfielders in the country for almost a decade. Not putting down Dermot Early, Pat Spillane or Ciaran Whelan - they are all great players. But to say that they are better than Eamon O'Hara is just wrong.

    They played on teams that got higher profile and there you would obviously see them play more. I'm from Mayo, and have seen O'Hara play several times, and he is/was an exceptional talent. Magnificent fielder, for someone who isn't your typical midfielder height.

    I don't get as excited about his commentary, but it's early days for him yet, and I'm sure it takes a long time to get comfortable in a TV studio with nerves being an issue for a while.


    They were better than him though. It's not wrong at all.


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  • #232
    flasher0030
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    Nidgeweasel wrote: »
    They were better than him though. It's not wrong at all.

    That's your opinion. I've seen him play several times on TV, live, and I've played against him. I'm not saying he's the best player ever, but in terms of individual talent and leadership of a team, he is a great player, and should be lauded in equal fashion as the other players named.

    If you had seen him play as regular as you have seen the others play, then I think you would agree. If you have seen him play regularly, and you still don't think he is as good as the others, then of course you're entitled to your opinion on it.


  • #233
    rebel girl 15
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Most of them won't make the nfl, but even on the very best teams in the country most of the players won't get anywhere near being drafted.

    You're right about it not selling well from what I can see. They had originally had hill tickets but have closed it since and moved people to the upper Hogan I think. But it's still probably going to have over 50000 at it. Shame though, if it sold well enough it would have seriously improved our chances if holding an NFL game down the road.

    NFL game won't happen given that London is holding three of them - the NFL have made it their base at the moment, and its going well. If Ireland can get regular college football, they will be doing well I think


  • #234
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    rebel girl 15 wrote: »
    NFL game won't happen given that London is holding three of them - the NFL have made it their base at the moment, and its going well. If Ireland can get regular college football, they will be doing well I think

    Not having Rooney as the ambassador doesn't help either.


  • #235
    SeanJ09
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    Figsy32 wrote: »
    I wonder how many times people questioning his playing ability actually saw him play?

    I suppose a lot of those would not consider the likes of Gary Brennan, Emelyn Mulligan, Brendan Murphy or Paddy Keenan great players either because they have never got the chance to win things?

    Don't get me wrong, he was a good midfielder, but the suggestion that he was one of the best mid fielders in Ireland for nearly a decade is wrong. He was superb in 2002 alright when they pushed Armagh close. In 2007 he did score that goal to win the Connacht Final against Galway, but that was a horrendous Connacht Championship back then. Don't remember him doing much in that qf against Cork. Can't remember him contributing much more either to place him in the top bracket with the likes of Darragh O Se and Ciarain Whelean.


  • #236
    Nidgeweasel
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    flasher0030 wrote: »
    That's your opinion. I've seen him play several times on TV, live, and I've played against him. I'm not saying he's the best player ever, but in terms of individual talent and leadership of a team, he is a great player, and should be lauded in equal fashion as the other players named.

    If you had seen him play as regular as you have seen the others play, then I think you would agree. If you have seen him play regularly, and you still don't think he is as good as the others, then of course you're entitled to your opinion on it.

    I've seen O'Hara play on countless occasions, not least when he got that goal in 2007. He is obviously a good player, and one of Sligo's all time greats, but not a great in the grand scheme of things I'm afraid.

    I'd have O Sé, Cavanagh, Tohill, Whelan, Murphy, Early all ahead of him in the pantheon of midfielders over the past how many years.

    Done well for Sligo and fair play to him, but not in the elite bracket, which the first three in that list are most certainly in.

    Great suits though.


  • #237
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Winning loads and being a good pundit don't necessarily go hand in hand. Just because someone is capable on the field, doesn't mean that they're going to be particularly good at explaining how it all works and breaking it down for the viewer. Punditry requires a level of articulation that not every great player is going to have.

    Then, of course, you have your journalists who have won sweet fcuk all giving their opinions on GAA day in day out in national and local newspapers. What about Marty Morrissey or Darragh Maloney? I suppose their opinions are null and void too.


  • #238
    ProudDUB
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    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Winning loads and being a good pundit don't necessarily go hand in hand. Just because someone is capable on the field, doesn't mean that they're going to be particularly good at explaining how it all works and breaking it down for the viewer. Punditry requires a level of articulation that not every great player is going to have.

    Then, of course, you have your journalists who have won sweet fcuk all giving their opinions on GAA day in day out in national and local newspapers. What about Marty Morrissey or Darragh Maloney? I suppose their opinions are null and void too.

    And you were doing oh so well, up until then....:eek:


  • #239
    Da Shins Kelly
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    ProudDUB wrote: »
    And you were doing oh so well, up until then....:eek:

    The point stands. Someone doesn't need to win loads or even play football to have an opinion on it. Plenty of people who don't play and never have still have something to say.


  • #240
    ProudDUB
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    Ah no, I agree. I said pretty much the same thing a page or two ago. I just used Micheal O'Muircheartaigh as my example, instead of the bould Marty. :)


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  • #241
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Sure what are we all doing on here anyway other spouting our own ill-informed opinions? :pac:


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