Scrap the dole!

catallus · 23-08-2014 09:06PM

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

i'm sure it can get a lot more stupiderer

Hmmm, I dunno, let's see.

Maybe we should just all work out some sort of jobsharing scheme? I'll happily give away a few hours of my job. Problem solved and you're welcome!

woodoo · 23-08-2014 09:13PM

on_my_oe wrote: »

They've introduced cards in NZ for benefit claimants, currently for under 25s but to be expanded. The cards include a photo and are restricted to certain products and stores, with alcohol and cigarettes obviously excluded. Rent is paid to landlords, avoiding rent arrears issues. A small sum ($20 or thereabouts) is paid into their bank account to be used freely for things like PAYG credit or vices. If they want more freedom over their cash flow, they need to earn it themselves.
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An entirely sensible thing to do. But it would cause outrage if introduced here. The vested interest groups would be crying foul. New Zealand is hardly a basket case of a country. I hope it catches on and eventually is introduced here.

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 09:23PM

mphalo1 wrote: »

just remember it was the bankers and corrupt government that did this to our country and leave the poor alone the ****. and as for reporting people up off their ass trying to get by while on social as i explained the reason why earlier .may you die screaming my friend !

Bankers followed by Government followed by insults.

Yes I will report people committing fraud regardless of the circumstances. Fraud is fraud. For everyone caught it will hopefully desuade another near them from doing it.

What do you reckon is the percentage of people defrauding the system for purely "noble reasons" in commparison to those who are f the I'm gonna do it coz I can camp or the ones who go on multiple foreign holidays brigade.

I can guess pretty confidently the "noble ones" are in the smallest of minorities.

P.s. I am not your friend don't presume as such either.

woodoo wrote: »

An entirely sensible thing to do. But it would cause outrage if introduced here. The vested interest groups would be crying foul. New Zealand is hardly a basket case of a country. I hope it catches on and eventually is introduced here.

See I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Tarzana · 23-08-2014 09:34PM

Turtwig wrote: »

That stuff is brilliant I love it but the free ones are rarely actual qualifications worthy any salt. Who would you hire? the person the who claims they learned accounting off the internet or the person who has an actual accounting degree from a bricks and mortar institution?

This is it. This is exactly the problem. There does need to be some proof of competence. Now in some fields you can prove your competence without certification ie. web development where you can show an portfolio of your work, but most people will need to see proof of knowledge to get past the CV screening stage.

daRobot · 23-08-2014 09:40PM

Those hating on people claiming the dole are really hating the wrong people.

Hate the politicians on who have set the tone for a corrupt society, but don't blame the poor bastards who don't have much of a chance in life, who are only following the leads of the so called "elite" and trying to play the system.

It's really a case of attacking the pawns because you've no fcuking clue how to get to the king.

MarkY91 · 23-08-2014 09:57PM

you assume all long term unemployed people are lazy wasters. what an ignorant opinion you have.

Linka · 23-08-2014 09:59PM

mphalo1 wrote: »

this is getting stupid now

It was stupid from the start.

catallus · 23-08-2014 10:01PM

Linka wrote: »

It was stupid from the start.

But it took hold of your heart....

pharmaton · 23-08-2014 10:26PM

Can't believe I actually read this entire thread.

daRobot wrote: »

It's really a case of attacking the pawns because you've no fcuking clue how to get to the king.

I like this though, I can stop reading now. *unfollows

Tarzana · 23-08-2014 10:27PM

Gannicus wrote: »

]I love how this country resorts to "people being social vreatures" to excuse our nations problem with drink.

I'm sorry but did you have an inability to read the part where I said social activities don't have to centre on booze?

Not too sure what you mean about me being "too precise". I don't think you knew what you meant either.

yes there · 24-08-2014 01:25AM

This thread is a real car crash. We have two/three obviously pretencious people who must be on the wind up although I know for definite one is not (20yr old thats been paying tax for a year thats coming across like a 60 yr old that society has sucked all life and enjoyment out off). Seriously life isnt black and white. Take your head out of your owm ass and look at things objectively and not from your own perspective.

PopePalpatine · 24-08-2014 10:34AM

TGJD wrote: »

Jesus. You can't seriously be that much of a c unt in real life surely? You sound like you would gladly piss on the homeless as you pass.

I think that's called "trickle-down drinking".

Chancer3001 · 24-08-2014 11:01AM

Why not make people work for their dole?

We get a service. They get their money.

I can think of 100 jobs that require no skill but would be a help

Annasopra · 24-08-2014 11:06AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Why not make people work for their dole?

You mean like Community Employment and Tus and Job bridge and Gateway?

Chancer3001 · 24-08-2014 11:15AM

I mean like community service.

And I mean everyone on the dole has to work.

If you don't work, you don't get your money.

Annasopra · 24-08-2014 11:20AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I mean like community service.

Thats what CE and Tus and Gateway are!!!!

anncoates · 24-08-2014 11:23AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You mean like Community Employment and Tus and Job bridge and Gateway?

Although exploitative, they're not punitive enough. It's more modem day chain gangs he has in mind. Perhaps with a banner over them reading Unemployed Repent as they work

osarusan · 24-08-2014 11:40AM

Arbeit Macht Dole.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2014 12:01PM

therealme wrote: »

I recently advertised 3 jobs. 2 are full time and 1 part time.
In a county with VERY high unemployment, guess how many cv's I received?????
TWO!
I am aware of two other businesses who were also recruiting, 1 got two applicants and the other got NONE!!! Both businesses I know are well established and all jobs are standard 9-5.
Until social welfare is cut after a certain point, this will not change.
The thousands in this country with a sense of self entitlement and who contribute nothing really disgusts me.

I dont think the issue there is that social welfare needs to be cut. Its the dramatic reduction in services available to someone who becomes employed that needs to be considered.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2014 12:02PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

I mean like community service.

And I mean everyone on the dole has to work.

If you don't work, you don't get your money.

I ised to ponder something similar, but all you are doing is taking wprk away from someone else who is employed.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-08-2014 12:34PM

I actually think a different tack should be taken with those individuals capable of working that sat on the dole right through the Celtic Tiger when there was too many jobs. There are 10,s of 1,000's of them still on the dole.

I think we should be more accommodating of those who lost their jobs in the crash in 2007 and that the aforementioned above should be called in for interview and asked what the hell they have been doing with themselves and I think they should be given, say, 6 - 12 months to get off their arse or get cut off.

I'd find it hard to believe that anyone would have sympathy for those people.

Everyone has sympathy for the workers that lost their employment in the crash. It's the minority of wasters the government refuse to tackle that is leading to generalisng.

Backstreet Moyes · 24-08-2014 12:36PM

Have a friend of a friend who was in a good job and always commenting about people being lazy to work. He lost his job around two years ago and hasn't had a job since despite looking hard.

He has changed from talking about people don't want work and still have money to having a chip on his shoulder living on the breadline complaining about how their are no jobs around. To be honest i get a little enjoyment listening to him complain now that he know's the reality of how things are.

Like the op and two or three other posters here i would gladly laugh at if they lost their jobs and got a reality check about how things really are.

Red Nissan · 24-08-2014 12:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I actually think a different tack should be taken with those individuals capable of working that sat on the dole right through the Celtic Tiger when there was too many jobs. There are 10,s of 1,000's of them still on the dole.

Don't forget that all are not equal in applying for jobs.

Penny Tration · 24-08-2014 12:39PM

I'm lucky enough to have a job, but I can see why many others don't. I'm well educated, with lots of experience. I've been applying for new jobs for three months. I have a great cv, and a personalised cover letter for each application.

I haven't received so much as a PFO.

Shakespeare's Sister · 24-08-2014 12:40PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Have a friend of a friend who was in a good job and always commenting about people being lazy to work. He lost his job around two years ago and hasn't had a job since despite looking hard.

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Like the op and two or three other posters here i would gladly laugh at if they lost their jobs and got a reality check about how things really are.

Much agreed. Well not if they have a family tbh, but if they're single 20-something-year-olds, meh, I can't say I wouldn't find it quite delightful.

It's weird for someone only in their 20s to be going on like a bitter auld fella/wan.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-08-2014 12:42PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Don't forget that all are not equal in applying for jobs.

Of course but we are talking 10 + years here. Do you think there is any excuse for that? I don't. A couple of friends of mine are from 2 of Dublin's most deprived areas. Both got jobs at the height of the recession.

You can only buy that line to a certain point. 10 years +, no way.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-08-2014 12:49PM

green_screen wrote: »

I'm lucky enough to have a job

You are not lucky to have a job. Why do people keep saying that like you have to apologise?

Fair play. It's not luck. It's you.

mada999 · 24-08-2014 12:51PM

Mince Pie wrote: »

Getting real tired if this Shiite. Made redundant and struggling to get a job to the point it's looking like I may end up long term unemployed.
So op tell me where you're gonna magic these jobs for the people desperate for them so we don't have to scrounge of your hard earned tax dollars??? Please enlighten us?
I'm perched on the edge of my seat waiting while supping me bottle of buck fast in me free house and butlers servicing me helicopter to take me to Monte Carlo for the 5th time this year

what kind of job are you looking for?? would you not work in a shop, bar, restaurant??!

Penny Tration · 24-08-2014 01:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You are not lucky to have a job. Why do people keep saying that like you have to apologise?

Fair play. It's not luck. It's you.

I mean lucky in that although I'm desperately looking for a job, I don't have to worry too much if I don't find one, because I still have a permanent job. Luckier than most job-hunters.

dodderangler · 24-08-2014 01:06PM

Only thing that annoys me about the dole is cnuts who don't want a job and are happy to just lounge about all day and claim every fcukin benefit out there.
I was just in getting petrol and two junk balls bloke and bird in front of me and the bloke was strung out to bits pulls out a wad of fifties and twenties t buy smokes and gargle. As he pulled it out his social card falls on the ground along with it .

Scrap the dole!

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