Scrap the dole!

better call saul

The time has come to scrap the dole, for those on it long term anyway! No more freebies at the expense of the educated people, hard working decent people. Not the cunce who's sky sports and multi room sub is paid for by the folk who get out of bed in the morning. I'm sick busting my balls every day while these wasters longer around drinking cans of Stella at lunchtime

We should petition the government prior to the budget, then scrap usc for us decent folk

magentis

Fcuk you i drink dutch gold not that stella ****e.

Kermit.de.frog

I'd have a cut off time of 3 years. Anyone dependent on JSA after 3 years is taking the piss and should absolutely be cut off. And other benefits should be cut gradually after as long as they fail to get work.

We have a situation now where getting our unemployment rate below 10% is going to be seriously difficult because a large cohort of that 10% are more comfortable on welfare than working - even minimum wage.

DrGreenthumb

Kermit do you think that would get rib a bit

smellmepower

Grand,magic up a few hundred thousand jobs there will ya!

(Jobbridge,CE or Gateway scheme don't count as jobs,unfortunately for this government)

magentis

:(Even the frogs hate us dole heads

whirlpool

better call saul wrote: »

The time has come to scrap the dole, for those on it long term anyway! No more freebies at the expense of the educated people, hard working decent people. Not the cunce who's sky sports and multi room sub is paid for by the folk who get out of bed in the morning. I'm sick busting my balls every day while these wasters longer around drinking cans of Stella at lunchtime

We should petition the government prior to the budget, then scrap usc for us decent folk

Jobs don't just appear out of nowhere just because you've been on the dole for a few years.

Please explain how a person who has no job and is unable to get a job is meant to survive with no income, or else STFU.

Thanks.

DEFTLEFTHAND

America view us as a Marxist State, Obama and the Democrats are slightly to the right of the British Conservative Party when it comes to such policy.

better call saul

whirlpool wrote: »

Jobs don't just appear out of nowhere just because you've been on the dole for a few years.

Please explain how a person who has no job and is unable to get a job is meant to survive with no income, or else STFU.

Thanks.

Get educated.

magentis

Become a lawyer like saul.

whirlpool

better call saul wrote: »

Get educated.

Right so.

Someone please close this thread before people who are on the OP's level have a chance to speak.

smellmepower

Education is completely free now is it?

Mince Pie

Getting real tired if this Shiite. Made redundant and struggling to get a job to the point it's looking like I may end up long term unemployed.
So op tell me where you're gonna magic these jobs for the people desperate for them so we don't have to scrounge of your hard earned tax dollars??? Please enlighten us?
I'm perched on the edge of my seat waiting while supping me bottle of buck fast in me free house and butlers servicing me helicopter to take me to Monte Carlo for the 5th time this year

DrGreenthumb

go overseas if you can't get work here, plenty of work available worldwide if you got the skills
and if your unskilled whos fault is that?

Amirani

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

go overseas if you can't get work here, plenty of work available worldwide if you got the skills
and if your unskilled whos fault is that?

Depends.

salamanca22

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

go overseas if you can't get work here, plenty of work available worldwide if you got the skills
and if your unskilled whos fault is that?

Yes there is plenty of work around the world but it all requires an investment a long term unemployed person may not be able to afford.

Also the world needs unskilled people. If we did not have unskilled workers the economy would be a lot worse off than it is right now.

Kermit.de.frog

Mince Pie wrote: »

Made redundant and struggling to get a job to the point it's looking like I may end up long term unemployed.

That is your problem and not anyone else though. Get yourself a job. Any job. It's not as difficult as many seem to think or want everyone else to believe. If you really want a job you could get one.

Mince Pie

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

go overseas if you can't get work here, plenty of work available worldwide if you got the skills
and if your unskilled whos fault is that?

Care to share how you fund this transition to a new country if you're not working and the helicopter is in for a Service?

DrGreenthumb

Mince Pie wrote: »

Care to share how you fund this transition to a new country if you're not working and the helicopter is in for a Service?

get the boat

smellmepower

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

go overseas if you can't get work here, plenty of work available worldwide if you got the skills
and if your unskilled whos fault is that?

So just let the unskilled starve?moving overseas requires a decent amount of seed money too,even more-so to if you have a family.

Don't let these real life problems impinge on your idiotic opinions though.

Mince Pie

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That is your problem and not anyone else though. Get yourself a job. Any job. It's not as difficult as many seem to think or want everyone else to believe. If you really want a job you could get one.

Really?? Jeez I never thought I could get a job if I really wanted! Right!
So dropping my cv in everywhere then getting taken on for days unpaid training in a fricking cafe to then not get the job! Silly me, just not trying hard enough to get anything or something.

I have fecking worked all my life even part time when I was at school so spare me the crap!
You can't get what's not available!

Fortunately for me I'm working on setting up my own business, can't find work? Create it!

DrGreenthumb

this is afterhours if you want to discuss this issue on a more serious note and not have it turn into a mockery give Joe Duffy a call

Mince Pie

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

this is afterhours if you want to discuss this issue on a more serious note and not have it turn into a mockery give Joe Duffy a call

Who's joe Duffy and does he have any jobs going?

DrGreenthumb

Mince Pie wrote: »

Fortunately for me I'm working on setting up my own business, can't find work? Create it!

That's the spirit, i'll take one of what ever your selling as long as its not the Big Issue

Mince Pie

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

That's the spirit, i'll take one of what ever your selling as long as its not the Big Issue

Dude, I'm unemployed not desperate

Mrs Garth Brooks

Have a read of the jobbridge scandal thread. There was a link yesterday. Our lovely people in charge are now ringing companies with vancanies advertised and asking them to turn real jobs into job bridge positions.

This will only force more people to lose their jobs and claim the dole.

DrGreenthumb

Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »

Have a read of the jobbridge scandal thread. There was a link yesterday. Our lovely people in charge are now ringing companies with vancanies advertised and asking them to turn real jobs into job bridge positions.

This will only force more people to lose their jobs and claim the dole.

If true what a shambles this country is that they want to take away paid jobs just so they can make their unploymeny numbers look better,

i have no problem with people on the dole i've been there myself, but like many people i have a problem with people that make a lifetime of it, currently i know a good few people getting free housing and its sickening for the people that put in a hard graft only to see these people get it handed to them

smellmepower

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

That's the spirit, i'll take one of what ever your selling as long as its not the Big Issue

What's wrong with selling the Big Issue?surely you'd prefer those feckless unemployed wasters to be out on the streets learning entrepreneurial skills, rather than laying in bed til 2 in the afternoon wasting your precious tax money on frivolous things like food and heat.

osarusan

Another tiresome latenight thread.


some of the other threads started in AH by the OP:

One in the bum, is it moral?

Hot young wans on tg4

Masturbation

Women and farting

DrGreenthumb

Mince Pie wrote: »

Dude, I'm unemployed not desperate

I know your probably not desperate but maybe you should be, while abroad things got so bad for me I was about to take a charity job, and you'll laugh when you hear this job, no saftey net of the dole either so once the funds were gone it was me myself and I

basically you set up a bbq outside a supermarket, the charity had a agreement with the supermarket so they would supply the sausages bread ect.. you didnt pay upfront but squared off at the end of the day from the profit,

so you basically sold hot dogs for $2, for every one sold you get 1 dollar and the charity gets $1 thats after all the supplies were paid for,

now never would i have considered ever doing a job like this but desperate times call for desperate measures, so i came home after the unpaid days training if you even wanted to call it that, had a laugh about it with my house mate and he was like are you seriously going to take that job and I said I have no choice need any income i can get, so being the sound bástard he was rang his boss there and then and said if he had anything going and he said bring him in you you tomorrow,

now i had been looking for work for a while prior to this and also asked him to seee of there was anything going but I think he was relucent to ask because you don't want to be responsable for some joker and have it fall back on you, so once he saw that I was commited to do what i condidered to be a ****ty job he put his neck out for me and the rest is history,

i don't really know what the point of this story is other then once people see your commited they will help you out, i'm going to shut up now as i think i wrote a essay rambling on here

Mince Pie

That's genius, captive audience but I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it for someone else, especially considering the concept is so simple.

DrGreenthumb

Mince Pie wrote: »

That's genius, captive audience but I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it for someone else, especially considering the concept is so simple.

well due to health and saftey you cant just set up a bbq outside a shop yourself and sell hence the training and charity involved, but that was just an example, if you cant handle getting the piss ripped out for being on the dole for whatever reasons consider the alternative no matter how demeaning you might think it is.

Mince Pie

DrGreenthumb wrote: »

well due to health and saftey you cant just set up a bbq outside a shop yourself and sell hence the training and charity involved, but that was just an example, if you cant handle getting the piss ripped out for being on the dole for whatever reasons consider the alternative no matter how demeaning you might think it is.

There's demeaning and then there's being dumb.
Something will turn up, I'm enterprising if nothing else.

DrGreenthumb

just food for thought literally when you go collect your €186 and think you have it bad

Panthro

Been on the dole almost 3months, im determined to get the fock off it ASAP.
My emails sent out are in their hundreds, job interviews done, refusal letters received.
Its an awful load a cawk. Ill be on the boat before id stay unemployed long term.

Oh stop the world and let me off.
I'm tired of going round.
I've played the game of dole and lost
Oh stop the world and let me off!

Bongalongherb

In reality... the land of the living... the amount of boards threads attacking unfortunate folk that ended up with a contract with the DSP being degraded further by everyday insults must be overwhelming.

Enough of this dole bashing, it has been going on too long. Help your fellow-man and just get on with life, because if it's not the dole... it will be something else the government strategy uses to get us to fight against ourselves.

Who said life was easy either way ?. This sort of talking regarding dole bashing just depresses all.

DrGreenthumb

yea i didn't even start this thread but i got caught up in a rant,
gets get back to the laughs, don't dole it out if yea cant take it :P

Panthro

Dont be Codding us, we all know you were SEEKING a joke for your own BENIFIT!
(My jokes are shyt, with all the free time I have you'd imagine theyd be better)

DrGreenthumb

as jokingly as I am that is a true story,
and i like your last post, lot of obair put in (are they still around)

Lenin Skynard

Why is it always the tv subscription? Is this the ultimate measure of living in luxury? You'd wonder sometimes if this Daily Mail brigade flick through the channels and boil into a rage at the site of "you are not subscribed to this channel" in the knowledge that someone out there on benefits is subscribed to the channel.

Whatever you're paying in taxes, you'd be spending twice as much on security if the dole was scrapped. If you can afford it that is.

krudler

smellmepower wrote: »

Education is completely free now is it?

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

padma

Id prefer to see them scrap welfare for companies..scrap the free worker scheme for businesses..scrap the numerous tax breaks for big business.

Banjoxed

Bongalongherb wrote: »

In reality... the land of the living... the amount of boards threads attacking unfortunate folk that ended up with a contract with the DSP being degraded further by everyday insults must be overwhelming.

Enough of this dole bashing, it has been going on too long. Help your fellow-man and just get on with life, because if it's not the dole... it will be something else the government strategy uses to get us to fight against ourselves.

Who said life was easy either way ?. This sort of talking regarding dole bashing just depresses all.

It's boards, the amount of Internet Libertarians will inevitably be higher here than in the outside world, beating themselves off reading Guido Fawkes. Bless.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I've started doing Monday Club lately, because I don't work on Mondays and I am back over in my home town so I go drinking with two girls I know. What sets me apart from everyone else out is, I'm spending my own money. You see, Monday is pay day for most of these wasters. And there's two pubs in the town that are absolutely jammed packed from about 12 o'clock in the day. In one of the pubs, there's a dj who plays from 3 until about 7, then a local band will play.

And those wasters will sit there drinking until their money is gone. I know I'm no better, but at least I'm paying for mine and am getting up for work the next day

TGJD

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've started doing Monday Club lately, because I don't work on Mondays and I am back over in my home town so I go drinking with two girls I know. What sets me apart from everyone else out is, I'm spending my own money. You see, Monday is pay day for most of these wasters. And there's two pubs in the town that are absolutely jammed packed from about 12 o'clock in the day. In one of the pubs, there's a dj who plays from 3 until about 7, then a local band will play.

And those wasters will sit there drinking until their money is gone. I know I'm no better, but at least I'm paying for mine and am getting up for work the next day

Must be nice to know that you are morally superior to the other people in the pub with you.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

TGJD wrote: »

Must be nice to know that you are morally superior to the other people in the pub with you.

I'm usually too busy hoping I don't get stabbed, to be honest. But seriously, it's quite depressing. Sad way to live your life. Being broke the rest of the week but doing the same thing next week, never learning

Turtyturd

krudler wrote: »

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

I'd say that works well in interviews.

'So you studied at MIT?'

'Well.....that depends on how you define studied.'

Calina

krudler wrote: »

There's a ton of ways to educate yourself for free online, MIT, one of the most prestigious colleges in the world publish nearly all their course material online, for free:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

More here: https://www.coursera.org/

Want to learn a language? Here ya go:
http://www.openculture.com/freelanguagelessons

here too:https://www.duolingo.com/

Computer programming take your fancy? there ya go:
http://code.org/

Here too:http://www.codecademy.com/

Maths giving you grief?
http://www.math.com/

How about science?
https://www.khanacademy.org/

History?
http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/world-war-history

Loads here too
http://alison.com/subjects/25/Diploma-Courses

hell even FAS do online education:
http://www.professionaldevelopment.ie/free-courses

Internet connections aren't free.

The other issue is that recognition of courses like these are patchy and difficult to align with specific jobs.

Don't get me wrong - I think the availability is great - but the fact is if you are unemployed, it takes time to get enough out of any of these options to make yourself employable depending on where you're starting from. I think there needs to be a realistic assessment of what is possible in terms of learning and how it might relate to obtaining a job ultimately.

If you look at some of your suggestions, they are not going to necessarily result in a job: history for one and the languages option, sorry, that's not going to work because the amount of work you need to get yourself up to working in a foreign language is to the tune of 3 or 4 years including immersion.

So yes. there are loads of ways to educate yourself - an awful lot of interesting stuff on iTunes and even on youtube as well. Structuring it and exploiting it in such away as to make yourself employable; that's a different kettle of fish.

johnnyskeleton

Possibly social welfare should encourage people to become self employed ie create jobs raher than wait for someone else to create it. However?, you have to be on the dole 12 months and risk losing it forever if you set up your own business. A cynic would say that they dont want people to be their own bossess and like havig people nice and docile.

NIMAN

Although I am going to use NI as my example, it sort of proves the point.

I know of 3 young girls in the last year who arrived from England (2) and Canada (1) into Derry, one of Europe's unemployment blackspots supposedly.

They are aged 21, 23 and 34 respectively. They landed with no jobs or no interviews lined up.

In the time they have been here, all have got jobs easily. In fact one has had 3 jobs, and is currently working 2 part-time jobs as it suits her schooling. The second is on her 2nd job and enjoying it. And the third has had a temp job in Belfast and now a full time permanent job in Derry.

My point would be that if you try hard enough and actually want to work, then you can find work. I know of quite a few others of similar ages who have never worked and are not actively looking for work, as they are already engrained in the benefit culture.

AndonHandon

If there was no dole and the threat of homelessness or starvation was a very real prospect then we would see a drop in the unemployment rate.