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Can a pub maintain a ban for life?

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  • #92
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    flutered wrote: »
    if below cost selling was baned here, it would increase the reveenue collected by more than the lpt and water charges togeather.

    Carful now that kind of joined up thinking has no place in government actions, How will the Publiticians make huge profits then ? Anyone see recently on the PAC them going on about the dangers of drinking at home ? Saying in the Pub the publican will tell you when you have had enough. Odd that come closing times I don’t see many mildly drunk people.


  • #93
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    davo10 wrote: »
    Why go in to the pub if you are going to drink from a bottle you brought in? Why not just drink it outside?

    well as a young man in oz who spent his life savings getting there and working hard to stay there. I was probably thinkin of having fun and about all the clunge inside the pub. plus i could get away with it so why not.
    Its very expensive in oz. A cheap place to live would set u back 200 bucks a week. A night out would set you back 100 to 150 if you paid for all you drinks for the day. you would only save maybe 30 dollars bringing a flask in you pocket anyway so i would have paid for the rest of the drinks plus entry fees to pubs clubs taxis food and so on. I lived with 2 nurses and they brought a flask out every night and they had a lot more money than me at the time.


  • #94
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    flutered wrote: »
    if below cost selling was baned here, it would increase the reveenue collected by more than the lpt and water charges togeather.

    And increase the cost of groceries, but that's for a different thread I suspect.


  • #95
    Big Cheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Big Cheese


    I think what you did was stupid but not worth that kind of ban. Are you sure that 'tipping up' was the only indiscretion????


  • #96
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    The other fella wrote: »
    Im well aware of what Tescos is.
    You and your friends going to see bands or get drunk in tescos or whatever your on about takes nothing away from the fact that publicans charge an arm and a leg for drink and moan when people get a cheaper option from a supermarket.

    Don't go in then.


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  • #97
    Spirogyra
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Spirogyra


    I suppose I'm a small bit annoyed because I feel it must be personal, it's hardly to do with the wine , after 8 years.....but if I challenged them , they can just throw the wine excuse at me, yes I was buying wine on the night as well, and even offered to pay corkage when caught, they wanted me gone, for some reason felt I didn't fit in, in some way, but as I did wrong, I've no redress....


  • #98
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Scummy is bottling someone. Not sneaking drink into a pub.

    I don't know where you are from but where I'm from, bottling someone is way beyond scummy.


  • #99
    The other fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    davo10 wrote: »
    Don't go in then.

    I will....And i'll top up my glass while i'm at it.


  • #100
    The other fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    Spirogyra wrote: »
    I suppose I'm a small bit annoyed because I feel it must be personal, it's hardly to do with the wine , after 8 years.....but if I challenged them , they can just throw the wine excuse at me, yes I was buying wine on the night as well, and even offered to pay corkage when caught, they wanted me gone, for some reason felt I didn't fit in, in some way, but as I did wrong, I've no redress....

    Find another more chilled out pub where you can relax.The place your talking about must be a right snob of a place


  • #101
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    The other fella wrote: »
    I will....And i'll top up my glass while i'm at it.

    Go ahead, but don't whinge if you get caught and banned. Also, don't be surprised if some of your friends are embarrassed by what you are doing, my friends would be if I was.

    Now, much as I've enjoyed this, I'm off to the pub to watch the football and have a few pints.


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  • #102
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    davo10 wrote: »
    I don't know where you are from but where I'm from, bottling someone is way beyond scummy.

    It's clear now that your definition of the word differs from mine. Scummy is what a scum bag would do.


  • #103
    The other fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    davo10 wrote: »
    Go ahead, but don't whinge if you get caught and banned. Also, don't be surprised if some of your friends are embarrassed by what you are doing, my friends would be if I was.

    Now that bit in bold is just brilliant haha.

    Not only would i not be banned but me,my friends, the barstaff and everyone else who doesnt have something firm and rigid planted in their anus would have a good laugh about it.


  • #104
    The other fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/687584/317800.jpg

    Davo out for a couple of pints!


  • #105
    ardle1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    Duracell Bunny wrote: »
    Course they can. Feckin cheapskate.

    I remember being a glass collector in a pub when I was 18. Captain of the local rugby team was standing on the bar, the manager told me to tell him to get down.

    He never even let go of his pint, he just bellyflopped towards me. I never sidestepped so quickly in my life and watched in amusement as he crashed through a table. Even he only got barred for 1 weekend.

    Moral of the story: they musnt like ya.

    NOW, if that arsehole didn't get barred for life I don't see why op should still be barred!?


  • #106
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    The other fella wrote: »
    Now that bit in bold is just brilliant haha.

    Not only would i not be banned but me,my friends, the barstaff and everyone else who doesnt have something firm and rigid planted in their anus would have a good laugh about it.
    Attitudes like this kinda make me nostalgic about the pub game.;)


  • #107
    foxy farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    The other fella wrote: »
    Yup, if you ask for a vodka in a Spanish pub you usually get a tall tumbler glass almost full for about €2.50.
    Here you get a bare shot of it for about €7 and you still have publicans moaning whenever the likes of tescos make a half decent offer on drink...

    And an irish publican never set foot inside a supermarket never mind buy cut price alcohol!

    Heard of a publican down in cork who sold his licence privately but traded for several months after and he had to buy all drink from offys or supermarkets as breweries knew licence was gone. In effect he was running a sheebeen.


  • #108
    Flincher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Flincher


    theoneeyedman wrote: »
    Mmmm not so sure about that.
    A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
    A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

    They can refuse service to whoever they like, they just can't refuse service on certain discriminatory ground.

    As in they are entitled to refuse service to a black gay Jewish traveller in a wheelchair if he is too drunk or abusive, or sneaking in his own drink, etc. They can't refuse him just because he is black, or gay, or Jewish, or a traveller, or in a wheelchair.


  • #109
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A friend of mine got barred from Neachtain's in Galway 10 years ago or so. I was in there with him a couple years back and we were asked to leave after finishing our pints as he was still barred.
    So yeah, other pubs hold a grudge for 8 years too. It's mindblowing really.


  • #110
    Snowpavlova
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Snowpavlova


    biko wrote: »
    A friend of mine got barred from Neachtain's in Galway 10 years ago or so. I was in there with him a couple years back and we were asked to leave after finishing our pints as he was still barred.
    So yeah, other pubs hold a grudge for 8 years too. It's mindblowing really.

    I hear boards.ie hold similar grudges.


  • #111
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    davo10 wrote: »
    The usual response when someone has an alternative opinion, I was actually wondering who would post this question, you were my second favourite. No Frank, I'm not, I suppose it would be easier for you if I was but sorry, you'll just have to use your wits in this discussion.

    Lol. You spent time "wondering" who would ask you were you representing publicans. Did you write a list? Add to that list every time a new poster arrived?
    Move names up and down. How utterly odd.

    In fact I said nothing critical about publicans. You seem overly defensive about them though.


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  • #112
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    discus wrote: »

    If you can get one over a pub, then do it. Pack of shysters.

    Lol at the ridiculous nonsense being posted in this thread.

    Worked in three different pubs for years when I was younger, never saw anything being poured into a Smirnoff bottle or any bottle for that mater, sons have worked in different pubs throughout college and never saw it either.

    People have this simplified notion that because pubs charge 4 quid a vodka or whatever they're cleaning up. They don't for a moment consider

    Sky/BT (last time I talked to owner of local these were costing something like 1300 per month, probably more now)

    Rates, depending on your location possibly another 1500 a month or more, Public Liability Insurance, Electricity (2K per month for medium sized bar), staff, etc.

    If the shysters are making such money, why come so so many are shutting down? 1500 over the last few years?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/economic-crisis-leads-to-mass-closing-of-irish-pubs-a-914375.html


  • #113
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    AngeGal wrote: »
    Lol at the ridiculous nonsense being posted in this thread.

    Worked in three different pubs for years when I was younger, never saw anything being poured into a Smirnoff bottle or any bottle for that mater, sons have worked in different pubs throughout college and never saw it either.

    People have this simplified notion that because pubs charge 4 quid a vodka or whatever they're cleaning up. They don't for a moment consider

    Sky/BT (last time I talked to owner of local these were costing something like 1300 per month, probably more now)

    Rates, depending on your location possibly another 1500 a month or more, Public Liability Insurance, Electricity (2K per month for medium sized bar), staff, etc.

    If the shysters are making such money, why come so so many are shutting down? 1500 over the last few years?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/economic-crisis-leads-to-mass-closing-of-irish-pubs-a-914375.html

    Because as a nation we are not drinking as much, But don't let that stop you saying it's because they are not making enough money. They are making money hand over fist. The ones that have gone down the pan you will find are the ones that are next to 3 other pubs like in the country or in Dublin were there is to much competition and only x number of clientele. it's simple numbers. the numbers we had before were way over what was needed.


  • #114
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Because as a nation we are not drinking as much, But don't let that stop you saying it's because they are not making enough money. They are making money hand over fist. The ones that have gone down the pan you will find are the ones that are next to 3 other pubs like in the country or in Dublin were there is to much competition and only x number of clientele. it's simple numbers. the numbers we had before were way over what was needed.

    What are you basing this on? Have you any actual evidence/numbers/stats that reflect this or is it just your deeply held belief that you won't be changing?


  • #115
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    AngeGal wrote: »
    What are you basing this on? Have you any actual evidence/numbers/stats that reflect this or is it just your deeply held belief that you won't be changing?

    Well i have read about the 33% drop off in consumption over the past number of years due to collapse of the Celtic tiger. And are you trying to tell people the number of pubs kicking around previously was sustainable ? Like any other industry if you cant get customers you go out of business no matter what you charge. If pubs in Dublin are charging close to €10 for vodka and rebull and that's normal it's not what they are charging that's putting them out of business. it’s lack of customers, people are spending less, less customers means to many pubs and the ones that are not being used close.


  • #116
    Angry_Mammarys
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭Angry_Mammarys


    Can't believe they still remember from 8 years ago! what were ya hiding in your bag ? a gallon ?! , I wouldn't bother my arse going back if I were you, save your dignity!


  • #117
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Well i have read about the 33% drop off in consumption over the past number of years due to collapse of the Celtic tiger. And are you trying to tell people the number of pubs kicking around previously was sustainable ? Like any other industry if you cant get customers you go out of business no matter what you charge. If pubs in Dublin are charging close to €10 for vodka and rebull and that's normal it's not what they are charging that's putting them out of business. it’s lack of customers, people are spending less, less customers means to many pubs and the ones that are not being used close.

    You seem to have moved a little back from your claim that pubs are making money 'hand over fist'.

    All I can tell you is I have family working in different bars in Galway City, all of which would be considered busy bars, they often tell me about mondays/tuesdays/wednesdays where the pub only takes in 400/500 euro, sure that wouldn't cover the staff for the day, let alone other costs. Thursdays and Sundays tend to be better but not 'busy' and Fridays and Saturdays are usually very busy obviously.

    I outlined some of the costs in my last post and I am sure if you googled you could get a more accurate breakdown than that so the notion that pubs are making money 'hand over fist' is entirely untrue with maybe the very odd exception being somewhere like the quays in galway that has a good crowd every night basically. Maybe it was true twenty years up to the end of the Celtic Tiger but definitely no longer the case.

    I wouldn't call it scummy to sneak drink in if it was an immature student (i'm sure some of my own did it!) but anyone beyond the age of 21 really shouldnt be at it.

    I think pretty much all pubs will need to adapt to survive these times whether it's through starting to do food or coming up with innovative ways to increase revenue. It's not just less disposable income, people are living a healthier lifestyle these days (which is great) than my generation where people would go for pints three or fours night a week in many cases.

    Anyway I'm off to do my bit to keep the local alive so have a good night.


  • #118
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    AngeGal wrote: »
    You seem to have moved a little back from your claim that pubs are making money 'hand over fist'.

    All I can tell you is I have family working in different bars in Galway City, all of which would be considered busy bars, they often tell me about mondays/tuesdays/wednesdays where the pub only takes in 400/500 euro, sure that wouldn't cover the staff for the day, let alone other costs. Thursdays and Sundays tend to be better but not 'busy' and Fridays and Saturdays are usually very busy obviously.

    I outlined some of the costs in my last post and I am sure if you googled you could get a more accurate breakdown than that so the notion that pubs are making money 'hand over fist' is entirely untrue with maybe the very odd exception being somewhere like the quays in galway that has a good crowd every night basically. Maybe it was true twenty years up to the end of the Celtic Tiger but definitely no longer the case.

    I wouldn't call it scummy to sneak drink in if it was an immature student (i'm sure some of my own did it!) but anyone beyond the age of 21 really shouldnt be at it.

    I think pretty much all pubs will need to adapt to survive these times whether it's through starting to do food or coming up with innovative ways to increase revenue. It's not just less disposable income, people are living a healthier lifestyle these days (which is great) than my generation where people would go for pints three or fours night a week in many cases.

    Anyway I'm off to do my bit to keep the local alive so have a good night.

    Talking about the Capital.


  • #119
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Talking about the Capital.

    Fair enough but I'd say if you went into most bars in Dublin with the exception of those in temple bar or where ever from Sun-Thursday, it would be easy enough to count how many is in there.


  • #120
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    AngeGal wrote: »
    Fair enough but I'd say if you went into most bars in Dublin with the exception of those in temple bar or where ever from Sun-Thursday, it would be easy enough to count how many is in there.

    True but that's always been the way, only so many alchos that don't work. Most trade that keeps them going and hugely profitable is over the weekend.


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  • #121
    davo10
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Lol. You spent time "wondering" who would ask you were you representing publicans. Did you write a list? Add to that list every time a new poster arrived?
    Move names up and down. How utterly odd.

    In fact I said nothing critical about publicans. You seem overly defensive about them though.

    Nope, you were easy to spot. Whenever someone posts in defence of an organisation/industry/group, the simple thinking response is , " oh you must be a representative or you have an agenda etc etc". There is always one, you are the one on this thread.


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