Can a pub maintain a ban for life?

Spirogyra

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

thelad95

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

If that's true, then they're treating you like sh*t, so why would you want to go back there? Life's too short. Fúck them.

Chancer3001

Tipping up?

Gummy Panda

**** on the owner/managers car.

davo10

thelad95 wrote: »

If that's true, then they're treating you like sh*t, so why would you want to go back there? Life's too short. Fúck them.

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

wandatowell

A bar in my town got a new bar manager a few years ago, new door staff to boot. Zero tolerance for people acting the prick.

A ban from the bar meant a lifetime ban. Once word got around, the place had a very good reputation and all the dickheads stayed away.

Made for a very very good pub with a mature clientele

artanevilla

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

You've no legal right to drink there anyway, it's a private business, they can serve who they please.

darkpagandeath

Maybe if the Price of Drink was not insane people would not be doing this....

Sir Arthur Daley

davo10 wrote: »

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

If you are a resident in a hotel is it permitted?

davo10

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

If you are a resident in a hotel is it permitted?

Absolutely.

discus

davo10 wrote: »

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

How is it scummy? Putting up your prices the night before the Vinters Federation of Ireland put a '2 year price freeze' in place, that is scummy.

Filling up vodka bottles with Gregs vodka and selling it at Smirnoff prices, that is scummy.

Taking in tons of coca cola for the designated driver campaign (free coke for those driving) from the coca cola rep, and then insisting on selling it to designated drivers, that's scummy too.

If you can get one over a pub, then do it. Pack of shysters.

The Backwards Man

When I ran a pub, barred meant barred for life. No exceptions.

Talib Fiasco

I think most pubs wouldn't mind if it was a teenager in a naggin or something because it's the thing to do and they'll grow out of it when they get older but someone sneaking in wine is taking the piss. I'd ban ya for life just on the principle of sneaking in wine of all things

davo10

discus wrote: »

How is it scummy? Putting up your prices the night before the Vinters Federation of Ireland put a '2 year price freeze' in place, that is scummy.

Filling up vodka bottles with Gregs vodka and selling it at Smirnoff prices, that is scummy.

Taking in tons of coca cola for the designated driver campaign (free coke for those driving) from the coca cola rep, and then insisting on selling it to designated drivers, that's scummy too.

If you can get one over a pub, then do it. Pack of shysters.

If you are not happy with a pub, don't go there, drink at home. Taking a bottle into a pub in a purse and then filling your glass under the table is scummy and deserving of a ban.

Mariasofia

Two fellas I know were messing outside my local one Friday night and ended up going through the window. They got it fixed next morning and were sipping pints there again that night......not a thing was ever even mentioned about it bar a slagging!
Maybe I just drink in the wrong kinda pubs tho....! :-D

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

When I ran a pub, barred meant barred for life. No exceptions.

Life as in life when you kill someone?

thelad95

davo10 wrote: »

If you are not happy with a pub, don't go there, drink at home. Taking a bottle into a pub in a purse and then filling your glass under the table is scummy and deserving of a ban.

How in the name of Christ is this scummy? Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy.

Spirogyra

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason, I never caused trouble and doubt I was ever drunk, I worked behind a bar myself and if they were regulars, usually you'd just tell them off, or even to an extent turn a blind eye if they were otherwise good clients,no they don't like me clearly

allthedoyles

Mariasofia wrote: »

Two fellas I know were messing outside my local one Friday night and ended up going through the window. They got it fixed next morning and were sipping pints there again that night......not a thing was ever even mentioned about it bar a slagging!
Maybe I just drink in the wrong kinda pubs tho....! :-D

I often wondered when a bar-owner sees me coming around 9pm ,and he smiles ......

I believe he is thinking '' Oh here comes another €50 tonight ''

ScouseMouse

Of course they can, but if it bothers you that much, did you consider trying to have a QUIET chat with the boss? If its that important, you may have to be humble.....

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

If you are not happy with a pub, don't go there, drink at home. Taking a bottle into a pub in a purse and then filling your glass under the table is scummy and deserving of a ban.

That's what I do, I tend to do my Drinking at home now. But the pubs are now lobbying the government again. They are trying to say people drink to much, and there is no one at home to say you have had to much. They are also trying to get the price jacked up so it's prohibitively expensive to drink at home. You know so you have to go out to the pub to have a few. All the reasons they are lobbying under are total Boll*x btw.

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Life as in life when you kill someone?

In the US, yes.

davo10

thelad95 wrote: »

How in the name of Christ is this scummy? Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy.

Completely scummy, if you want to drink on the cheap, do it outside, if you want to sit in the bar, join your friends, enjoy the atmosphere, use the facilities, listen to the music etc, then you consume the drinks bought from the proprietor.

Frank Lee Midere

Spirogyra wrote: »

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason, I never caused trouble and doubt I was ever drunk, I worked behind a bar myself and if they were regulars, usually you'd just tell them off, or even to an extent turn a blind eye if they were otherwise good clients,no they don't like me clearly

So they refused to serve the tea or told you to get out? Or both?

Lumbo

Have you tried apologising?

blueser

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

Of course they have the right. Never seen the ubiquitous ''we reserve the right to refuse admission''? Serious question; why did you feel the need to bring in your own wine? You were using their premises to consume your own alcohol. Hardly surprising they were pissed off, really. Yes; 8 years might seem a bit on the harsh side, but I would imagine they're on solid ground re. the legality of the ban.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

Completely scummy, if you want to drink on the cheap, do it outside, if you want to sit in the bar, join your friends, enjoy the atmosphere, use the facilities, listen to the music etc, then you consume the drinks bought from the proprietor.

I'm sorry that gave me a good laugh, That's why a lot of them started to struggle after the smoking ban. No atmosphere, I still cant think of any locally that have any. Unless you count bar fly's on the same stool. You also either get ear splittingly loud music or terrible folk stuff.

darkpagandeath

blueser wrote: »

Of course they have the right. Never seen the ubiquitous ''we reserve the right to refuse admission''? Serious question; why did you feel the need to bring in your own wine? You were using their premises to consume your own alcohol. Hardly surprising they were pissed off, really. Yes; 8 years might seem a bit on the harsh side, but I would imagine they're on solid ground re. the legality of the ban.

Does make you wonder though, If they can afford to turn away paying customers like this. Why are they lobbying the government on we cant compete with the cheap alcohol sales in Tesco and so on.

cletus van damme

discus wrote: »

How is it scummy? Putting up your prices the night before the Vinters Federation of Ireland put a '2 year price freeze' in place, that is scummy.

Filling up vodka bottles with Gregs vodka and selling it at Smirnoff prices, that is scummy.

Taking in tons of coca cola for the designated driver campaign (free coke for those driving) from the coca cola rep, and then insisting on selling it to designated drivers, that's scummy too.

If you can get one over a pub, then do it. Pack of shysters.

bit in bold is illegal.
if you know a pub doing this , report them

allthedoyles

Spirogyra wrote: »

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason, I never caused trouble and doubt I was ever drunk, I worked behind a bar myself and if they were regulars, usually you'd just tell them off, or even to an extent turn a blind eye if they were otherwise good clients,no they don't like me clearly

Don't be foolish enough to give that public house any of your money ever again.

They don't deserve it and you should go somewhere that will appreciate your money ( even if its only for a cup of tea )

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm sorry that gave me a good laugh, That's why a lot of them started to struggle after the smoking ban. No atmosphere, I still cant think of any locally that have any. Unless you count bar fly's on the same stool. You also either get ear splittingly loud music or terrible folk stuff.

Turn down your hearing aid.

theoneeyedman

artanevilla wrote: »

You've no legal right to drink there anyway, it's a private business, they can serve who they please.

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

MrBobbyZ

But the OP wasnt a "paying customer". Thats where it all started.

Frank Lee Midere

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

Just settled Irish whites huh? Sucks. ( And "coloured?")

discus

cletus van damme wrote: »

bit in bold is illegal.
if you know a pub doing this , report them

Ah yeah, Garda Weights and Maeasurements didn't really care, I mentioned it to a Diageo rep and he said there was nothing in this country that can be done about it. I knew they did it, so did everyone. After all, it was me supplying them with the gregs :pac:

darkpagandeath

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Just settled Irish whites huh? Sucks. ( And "coloured?")

Would Irish African American be ok ? :pac:

The other fella

davo10 wrote: »

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

The pub owners who can look you straight in the eye when charging 9.50 for a vodka and redbull are the scumbags.The OP only poured a bit of his/her own wine into a glass ffs....Give over the goodie 2 shoes act.

davo10

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

But he can refuse a traveller, foreigner, coloured person who brings there own drink into his bar. OP is not barred because of race, creed, color, ethnicity etc, she is barred because she broke the rules of the pub, ie only food and drink bought on the premices can be consumed on the premices.

MrBobbyZ

And under 18s of course, of any race, colour, creed, sexual preference etc etc.

thelad95

davo10 wrote: »

Completely scummy, if you want to drink on the cheap, do it outside, if you want to sit in the bar, join your friends, enjoy the atmosphere, use the facilities, listen to the music etc, then you consume the drinks bought from the proprietor.

Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy. You sound like one of those jobsworth types you come across all too often in Ireland. The kind of person who would ring the Gardaí because someone is drinking wine not bought on the premises but would do nothing if there was a brawl in the bar which is 'scummy' behaviour.

Besides, people often bring drink into bars. I know lots of people who sneak in a naggin of vodka into nightclubs, I've done it myself from time to time. The nightclub has already made enough money from me paying up to €15 to get in so why should I pay up to €10 for vodka and coke when I can buy a glass of Coke for €2.50 and add my own vodka? I don't feel guilty because there is hundreds of other people who aren't engaging in this 'scummy' behaviour.

I will say that fillling up your own drink in a small bar is bad form however but I still would not describe it as 'scummy' behaviour because honestly you could do a lot worse.

Gummy Panda

Spirogyra wrote: »

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason, I never caused trouble and doubt I was ever drunk, I worked behind a bar myself and if they were regulars, usually you'd just tell them off, or even to an extent turn a blind eye if they were otherwise good clients,no they don't like me clearly

Tell them you are a traveller or blacken yourself up

davo10

The other fella wrote: »

The pub owners who can look you straight in the eye when charging 9.50 for a vodka and redbull are the scumbags.The OP only poured a bit of his/her own wine into a glass ffs....Give over the goodie 2 shoes act.

If they display their prices, makes ya wonder why you feel the need to pay it, must be some other reason for people being there if the drink is that expensive.

I don't know anything about the costs of selling alcohol, but I was under the impression that like petrol, a significant percentage of the cost goes to revenue.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

If they display their prices, makes ya wonder why you feel the need to pay it, must be some other reason for people being there if the drink is that expensive.

I don't know anything about the costs of selling alcohol, but I was under the impression that like petrol, a significant percentage of the cost goes to revenue.

You would be wrong, Unless your thinking of Import Duty.

Buona Fortuna

discus wrote: »

Ah yeah, Garda Weights and Maeasurements didn't really care, I mentioned it to a Diageo rep and he said there was nothing in this country that can be done about it. I knew they did it, so did everyone. After all, it was me supplying them with the gregs :pac:

Wow bit of a Serpico, double agent under cover then

davo10

thelad95 wrote: »

Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy. You sound like one of those jobsworth types you come across all too often in Ireland. The kind of person who would ring the Gardaí because someone is drinking wine not bought on the premises but would do nothing if there was a brawl in the bar which is 'scummy' behaviour.

Besides, people often bring drink into bars. I know lots of people who sneak in a naggin of vodka into nightclubs, I've done it myself from time to time. The nightclub has already made enough money from me paying up to €15 to get in so why should I pay up to €10 for vodka and coke when I can buy a glass of Coke for €2.50 and add my own vodka? I don't feel guilty because there is hundreds of other people who aren't engaging in this 'scummy' behaviour.

I will say that fillling up your own drink in a small bar is bad form however but I still would not describe it as 'scummy' behaviour because honestly you could do a lot worse.

Ya it's scummy.

I wouldn't phone the Gardai, but I probably would watch the fight.

Hey listen, you and your buddies do what you like, fine people that they are, that's your business. But don't whine (no pun intended) if you get caught and barred.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

Ya it's scummy.

I wouldn't phone the Gardai, but I probably would watch the fight.

Hey listen, you and your buddies do what you like, fine people that they are, that's your business. But don't whine (no pun intended) if you get caught and barred.

I see this seems the type of attitude that would have no problem charging people to use the toilets on the premises. Even thought they are already being gouged with stupidly high prices for drink.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You would be wrong, Unless your thinking of Import Duty.

I think I'm right, excise duty and Vat.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I see this seems the type of attitude that would have no problem charging people to use the toilets on the premises. Even thought they are already being gouged with stupidly high prices for drink.

Nah, you see the proprietor pays for the provision and upkeep of the facilities from the money taken in when people purchase drinks. You pay to swallow the drink then they allow you to pee it out for free.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

I think I'm right, excise duty and Vat.

Well the Publicans Claim nearly a 3rd of the retail price goes to the government. I would like to see some figures tbh.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well the Publicans Claim nearly a 3rd of the retail price goes to the government. I would like to see some figures tbh.

I just googled it, it's all there on the Revenue website.

The Backwards Man

Must be terrible in other parts of the country to be kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to buy alcohol in licenced premises upon pain of death. Amnesty International should be notified. Doesn't happen Donegal, up here, we go to the pub if we want to drink the landlord's liquor, if we want to drink our own we stay the fcuk out of the publican's premises.