Can a pub maintain a ban for life?

davo10

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

8 years like ? feck sake , they let you in if they were short on numbers I'll tell ya.

To me 8 years is a long time, there must have been something else going on for them to even remember her after this length of time.

HurtLocker

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well the Publicans Claim nearly a 3rd of the retail price goes to the government. I would like to see some figures tbh.

Sounds right. Litre of Smirnoff is €10.30 including tax in a supermarket in Spain not discounted. We are rightly screwed here. Treated like kids with our token requiring cigarette machines and early closing times. Government are our nannies and they know what's best.

darkpagandeath

HurtLocker wrote: »

Sounds right. Litre of Smirnoff is €10.30 including tax in a supermarket in Spain not discounted. We are rightly screwed here. Treated like kids with our token requiring cigarette machines and early closing times. Government are our nannies and they know what's best.

The good laugh is you can buy Irish whiskey produced in Ireland then shipped to Poland a lot cheaper then you can buy the same stuff here. And ours does not have Import duty on it.

Badly Drunk Boy

Spirogyra wrote: »

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason...

Did you bring in a kettle and a handful of Lyons teabags (or was it Barry's)? (Oooh, another dilemma!!!)

Banning people for life is stupid, especially as management changes in so many places. It's not worth the effort. If people aren't breaking rules overtly, and regularly, turning the blind eye the odd time won't kill your business. It might help it...

FloatingVoter

The only guy I know that was at the receiving end of a lifetime ban was passing bad cheques. Word went around half the pubs in Dublin about who he was and that ended his glory days. From trusted local to pariah.
That'll get you screwed anywhere. Topping up a drink would merit a bollocking and maybe a weekend holiday - not a lifetime ban.

Buona Fortuna

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

OP are you in a small town somewhere. I just ask because remembering my youth we used to go drinking down Chiswick High Rd, aged 16 or 17, on a Friday and Saturday night.

There were 3 or 4 lively pubs along the drag (Coach & Horses, Packhorse & Talbot). One of us was almost certain to be banned from at least one of the pubs each week. Not to mention the whole underage $hoite. Never seemed to cause too much bother. If it was especially lively (police involved) we'd probably skip that pub the following week.

The other fella

HurtLocker wrote: »

Sounds right. Litre of Smirnoff is €10.30 including tax in a supermarket in Spain not discounted. We are rightly screwed here. Treated like kids with our token requiring cigarette machines and early closing times. Government are our nannies and they know what's best.

Yup, if you ask for a vodka in a Spanish pub you usually get a tall tumbler glass almost full for about €2.50.
Here you get a bare shot of it for about €7 and you still have publicans moaning whenever the likes of tescos make a half decent offer on drink...

HurtLocker

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The good laugh is you can buy Irish whiskey produced in Ireland then shipped to Poland a lot cheaper then you can buy the same stuff here. And ours does not have Import duty on it.

Or bringing home Baileys for the family as it's cheaper :rolleyes: Where's this whole crack about minimum pricing because of drink being too cheap because I cant find it...

davo10

The other fella wrote: »

Yup, if you ask for a vodka in a Spanish pub you usually get a tall tumbler glass almost full for about €2.50.
Here you get a bare shot of it for about €7 and you still have publicans moaning whenever the likes of tescos make a half decent offer on drink...

Tescos core business is not selling drink, it is selling groceries and they can afford to sell alcohol at cost or even a loss in order to entice customers in. Pubs don't sell groceries. Tescos also buy in bulk quantities multiple times bigger than any pub. I never saw a band playing in Tescos and I've never got a text from a friend asking me to meet him in the aisle at Tescos for a beer.

BrokenArrows

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

How in the world do they still remember you after 8 years?
Are you there every weekend trying to get in?

Spirogyra

Yeah they are not short of business clearly, as I said I worked in a small bar, customers were important there, you knew most of them by name and if there was minor indiscretions, well it would have to be extremely serious to bar them, because it wasn't thriving, and well their money genuinely mattered, even if they did occasionaly break rules.

It's personal clearly, I was always well behaved and never caused an ounce of trouble, there's something, something personal about me, and they don't want me back, it's not for bad behaviour though.....

Best to just forget about if for good now, it may be disproportionate and extremely harsh, but they are technically within their rights.....

davo10

HurtLocker wrote: »

Or bringing home Baileys for the family as it's cheaper :rolleyes: Where's this whole crack about minimum pricing because of drink being too cheap because I cant find it...

24 bottles of miller for €18?

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

Tescos core business is not selling drink, it is selling groceries and they can afford to sell alcohol at cost or even a loss in order to entice customers in. Pubs don't sell groceries. Tescos also buy in bulk quantities multiple times bigger than any pub. I never saw a bank playing in Tescos and I've never got a text from a friend asking me to meet him in the aisle at Tescos for a beer.

There not selling it at a loss or cost, Tesco make a killing here over the business they do in the UK. Our drink is 2nd most expensive in the EU.

Spirogyra

they knew me because managment haven't changed and the manager lives in my locality, that's how, he knows me to see...I'm not a criminal, have no reputation at all, but as I said, it must be personal......but legally they are probably withing their rights , time to move on.

joebloggs32

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does make you wonder though, If they can afford to turn away paying customers like this. Why are they lobbying the government on we cant compete with the cheap alcohol sales in Tesco and so on.

The point is the OP was not a paying customer on the night she was caught, but instead was a freeloader. Think about it, overheads have to be met, and the more people that act like the OP, then the higher the prices will become for those of us who pay our way.

Onthe3rdDay

davo10 wrote: »

Did they take the drink out of your hand or from the table in front of you? If they did, why didn't you just say you weren't finished?

They'd take the drink from the table in front of you on the pretense of cleaning up. I'd speak up of course as would a lot of people. But there are some that are shy, timid, or just have manners. You know the type, the ones that say sorry when you bump into them. There are also times you might not be paying full attention (football or women) Obviously you avoid those bars once you know what's going on.

Buona Fortuna

joebloggs32 wrote: »

The point is the OP was not a paying customer on the night she was caught, but instead was a freeloader. Think about it, overheads have to be met, and the more people that act like the OP, then the higher the prices will become for those of us who pay our way.

True but if the OP was with 5 or 6 others all buying drinks then a simple "Don't do that or ..." would suffice - A lifetime ban ???

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

There not selling it at a loss or cost, Tesco make a killing here over the business they do in the UK. Our drink is 2nd most expensive in the EU.

Actually Tescos were one of the primary movers in the lobby to remove the ban on below cost selling, so don't kid yourself. I don't know anything about Tescos earnings, I don't really care. And I suspect our drink is among the most expensive for many reasons such as duty, vat, rates, rent, wages, insurance, utilities etc. All of this is secondary to the issue at hand, OP was caught, banned and has no recourse. Like others, I find it strange they even remember her after 8 years never mind continue to ban her, I suspect there are other factors in play here.

Frank Lee Midere

There has to be more to this story.

con___manx1

davo10 wrote: »

If you can't afford the drinks, either drink tap water or don't go to the pub. If the prices are extortionate, don't pay them but don't expect to get the benefits of the pub while you sneak in your own alcohol.

Why not just drink at home if you just want alcohol without paying for the pub experience?

I have not done it myself in years but as i said in my backpacking days and as a poor student I did. a whiskey and coke would set you back 13 dollars in oz : )
In Ireland backpackers and students are usually the ones who do this sort of thing but i wouldn't hold it against hem as there young and have little money, don't begrudge the young a bit of fun. the pubs make enough money.

davo10

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

They'd take the drink from the table in front of you on the pretense of cleaning up. I'd speak up of course as would a lot of people. But there are some that are shy, timid, or just have manners. You know the type, the ones that say sorry when you bump into them. There are also times you might not be paying full attention (football or women) Obviously you avoid those bars once you know what's going on.

Really bad form, that would annoy me a lot.

davo10

con___manx1 wrote: »

I have not done it myself in years but as i said in my backpacking days and as a poor student I did. a whiskey and coke would set you back 13 dollars in oz : )
In Ireland backpackers and students are usually the ones who do this sort of thing but i wouldn't hold it against hem as there young and have little money, don't begrudge the young a bit of fun. the pubs make enough money.

Why go in to the pub if you are going to drink from a bottle you brought in? Why not just drink it outside?

Buona Fortuna

davo10 wrote: »

Actually Tescos were one of the primary movers in the lobby to remove the ban on below cost selling, so don't kid yourself. I don't know anything about Tescos earnings, I don't really care. And I suspect our drink is among the most expensive for many reasons such as duty, vat, rates, rent, wages, insurance, utilities etc.

Agreed, and a government that keeps banging the cheap alcohol drum for social reasons doesn't have to answer questions about why everything is so feckin expensive here.

davo10 wrote: »

All of this is secondary to the issue at hand, OP was caught, banned and has no recourse. Like others, I find it strange they even remember her after 8 years never mind continue to ban her, I suspect there are other factors in play here.

I think so too.

Frank Lee Midere

davo10 wrote: »

Is the point of this that all people who bring in their own drinks should be banned? Is this in doubt in OPs case?. If he gives her a lifetime ban while not banning others, then there is more to this story than OP is telling us.

No my point is the cafe owner could create a rule which ended up banning spainish kids mostly but was legal nevertheless as it targeted everybody. Equality law does not give non-Irish/ whites fewer rights. It just stops people for being banned specifically because of ethnicity. You can ban people for other reasons even if that affects some groups more than others.

Frank Lee Midere

davo10 wrote: »

Why go in to the pub if you are going to drink from a bottle you brought in? Why not just drink it outside?

Are you the vintners representative in this?

flutered

Spirogyra wrote: »

Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

they have only the one pub, you have the rest of them, i am barred from a pub, i refused to pay money to the owwner to help pay for a band as he said for dancing, i was in the pub 20 minutes, as i was leaving the payment was requesed, i refused saying that i could not advail of the music as i was leaving also as i am disabled i could not daance.

flutered

davo10 wrote: »

Actually Tescos were one of the primary movers in the lobby to remove the ban on below cost selling, so don't kid yourself. I don't know anything about Tescos earnings, I don't really care. And I suspect our drink is among the most expensive for many reasons such as duty, vat, rates, rent, wages, insurance, utilities etc. All of this is secondary to the issue at hand, OP was caught, banned and has no recourse. Like others, I find it strange they even remember her after 8 years never mind continue to ban her, I suspect there are other factors in play here.

if below cost selling was baned here, it would increase the reveenue collected by more than the lpt and water charges togeather.

lertsnim

davo10 wrote: »

Completely scummy, if you want to drink on the cheap, do it outside, if you want to sit in the bar, join your friends, enjoy the atmosphere, use the facilities, listen to the music etc, then you consume the drinks bought from the proprietor.

Scummy is bottling someone. Not sneaking drink into a pub.

davo10

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Are you the vintners representative in this?

The usual response when someone has an alternative opinion, I was actually wondering who would post this question, you were my second favourite. No Frank, I'm not, I suppose it would be easier for you if I was but sorry, you'll just have to use your wits in this discussion.

The other fella

davo10 wrote: »

Tescos core business is not selling drink, it is selling groceries and they can afford to sell alcohol at cost or even a loss in order to entice customers in. Pubs don't sell groceries. Tescos also buy in bulk quantities multiple times bigger than any pub. I never saw a band playing in Tescos and I've never got a text from a friend asking me to meet him in the aisle at Tescos for a beer.

Im well aware of what Tescos is.
You and your friends going to see bands or get drunk in tescos or whatever your on about takes nothing away from the fact that publicans charge an arm and a leg for drink and moan when people get a cheaper option from a supermarket.