Can a pub maintain a ban for life?

theoneeyedman

artanevilla wrote: »

You've no legal right to drink there anyway, it's a private business, they can serve who they please.

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

MrBobbyZ

But the OP wasnt a "paying customer". Thats where it all started.

Frank Lee Midere

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

Just settled Irish whites huh? Sucks. ( And "coloured?")

discus

cletus van damme wrote: »

bit in bold is illegal.
if you know a pub doing this , report them

Ah yeah, Garda Weights and Maeasurements didn't really care, I mentioned it to a Diageo rep and he said there was nothing in this country that can be done about it. I knew they did it, so did everyone. After all, it was me supplying them with the gregs :pac:

darkpagandeath

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Just settled Irish whites huh? Sucks. ( And "coloured?")

Would Irish African American be ok ? :pac:

The other fella

davo10 wrote: »

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

The pub owners who can look you straight in the eye when charging 9.50 for a vodka and redbull are the scumbags.The OP only poured a bit of his/her own wine into a glass ffs....Give over the goodie 2 shoes act.

davo10

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Mmmm not so sure about that.
A private business but it has a public house licence I assume.
A publican for instance cannot refuse service to travellers, foreigners, coloured people etc.

But he can refuse a traveller, foreigner, coloured person who brings there own drink into his bar. OP is not barred because of race, creed, color, ethnicity etc, she is barred because she broke the rules of the pub, ie only food and drink bought on the premices can be consumed on the premices.

MrBobbyZ

And under 18s of course, of any race, colour, creed, sexual preference etc etc.

thelad95

davo10 wrote: »

Completely scummy, if you want to drink on the cheap, do it outside, if you want to sit in the bar, join your friends, enjoy the atmosphere, use the facilities, listen to the music etc, then you consume the drinks bought from the proprietor.

Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy. You sound like one of those jobsworth types you come across all too often in Ireland. The kind of person who would ring the Gardaí because someone is drinking wine not bought on the premises but would do nothing if there was a brawl in the bar which is 'scummy' behaviour.

Besides, people often bring drink into bars. I know lots of people who sneak in a naggin of vodka into nightclubs, I've done it myself from time to time. The nightclub has already made enough money from me paying up to €15 to get in so why should I pay up to €10 for vodka and coke when I can buy a glass of Coke for €2.50 and add my own vodka? I don't feel guilty because there is hundreds of other people who aren't engaging in this 'scummy' behaviour.

I will say that fillling up your own drink in a small bar is bad form however but I still would not describe it as 'scummy' behaviour because honestly you could do a lot worse.

Gummy Panda

Spirogyra wrote: »

Actually until recently I didn't go near it, didn't attempt to go near it, for about 6 years, and today I ordered not alcohol, but tea, still no service, yeah they may be within their rights but they clearly don't like me for some reason, I never caused trouble and doubt I was ever drunk, I worked behind a bar myself and if they were regulars, usually you'd just tell them off, or even to an extent turn a blind eye if they were otherwise good clients,no they don't like me clearly

Tell them you are a traveller or blacken yourself up

davo10

The other fella wrote: »

The pub owners who can look you straight in the eye when charging 9.50 for a vodka and redbull are the scumbags.The OP only poured a bit of his/her own wine into a glass ffs....Give over the goodie 2 shoes act.

If they display their prices, makes ya wonder why you feel the need to pay it, must be some other reason for people being there if the drink is that expensive.

I don't know anything about the costs of selling alcohol, but I was under the impression that like petrol, a significant percentage of the cost goes to revenue.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

If they display their prices, makes ya wonder why you feel the need to pay it, must be some other reason for people being there if the drink is that expensive.

I don't know anything about the costs of selling alcohol, but I was under the impression that like petrol, a significant percentage of the cost goes to revenue.

You would be wrong, Unless your thinking of Import Duty.

Buona Fortuna

discus wrote: »

Ah yeah, Garda Weights and Maeasurements didn't really care, I mentioned it to a Diageo rep and he said there was nothing in this country that can be done about it. I knew they did it, so did everyone. After all, it was me supplying them with the gregs :pac:

Wow bit of a Serpico, double agent under cover then

davo10

thelad95 wrote: »

Yes it's wrong but it's not scummy. You sound like one of those jobsworth types you come across all too often in Ireland. The kind of person who would ring the Gardaí because someone is drinking wine not bought on the premises but would do nothing if there was a brawl in the bar which is 'scummy' behaviour.

Besides, people often bring drink into bars. I know lots of people who sneak in a naggin of vodka into nightclubs, I've done it myself from time to time. The nightclub has already made enough money from me paying up to €15 to get in so why should I pay up to €10 for vodka and coke when I can buy a glass of Coke for €2.50 and add my own vodka? I don't feel guilty because there is hundreds of other people who aren't engaging in this 'scummy' behaviour.

I will say that fillling up your own drink in a small bar is bad form however but I still would not describe it as 'scummy' behaviour because honestly you could do a lot worse.

Ya it's scummy.

I wouldn't phone the Gardai, but I probably would watch the fight.

Hey listen, you and your buddies do what you like, fine people that they are, that's your business. But don't whine (no pun intended) if you get caught and barred.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

Ya it's scummy.

I wouldn't phone the Gardai, but I probably would watch the fight.

Hey listen, you and your buddies do what you like, fine people that they are, that's your business. But don't whine (no pun intended) if you get caught and barred.

I see this seems the type of attitude that would have no problem charging people to use the toilets on the premises. Even thought they are already being gouged with stupidly high prices for drink.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You would be wrong, Unless your thinking of Import Duty.

I think I'm right, excise duty and Vat.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I see this seems the type of attitude that would have no problem charging people to use the toilets on the premises. Even thought they are already being gouged with stupidly high prices for drink.

Nah, you see the proprietor pays for the provision and upkeep of the facilities from the money taken in when people purchase drinks. You pay to swallow the drink then they allow you to pee it out for free.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

I think I'm right, excise duty and Vat.

Well the Publicans Claim nearly a 3rd of the retail price goes to the government. I would like to see some figures tbh.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well the Publicans Claim nearly a 3rd of the retail price goes to the government. I would like to see some figures tbh.

I just googled it, it's all there on the Revenue website.

The Backwards Man

Must be terrible in other parts of the country to be kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to buy alcohol in licenced premises upon pain of death. Amnesty International should be notified. Doesn't happen Donegal, up here, we go to the pub if we want to drink the landlord's liquor, if we want to drink our own we stay the fcuk out of the publican's premises.

darkpagandeath

davo10 wrote: »

I just googled it, it's all there on the Revenue website.

You got a link or figures, All I'm getting is we are experiencing technical difficulties.

davo10

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You got a link or figures, All I'm getting is we are experiencing technical difficulties.

On phone so can't do hyperlink but I googled "alcohol duty Ireland" and got to revenue page. I quickly read the outline points where it gives duty rates and then vat is charged on overall price on top if that.

Frank Lee Midere

davo10 wrote: »

But he can refuse a traveller, foreigner, coloured person who brings there own drink into his bar. OP is not barred because of race, creed, color, ethnicity etc, she is barred because she broke the rules of the pub, ie only food and drink bought on the premices can be consumed on the premices.

Yes, this. As long as the pub shows it is consistent in it's banning policy. It can't target one group of people who bring in drink but not another.

the cafe close to my place has an owner who will jump at the opportunity to kick out Spanish kids who buy one drink between 10 of them. He just puts up a sign saying that every customer who is seated has to have a drink at least. He does notice the Spanish kids more than others - since they have a rep for doing that - but he has kicked other groups out too. Mostly continentals, must be more acceptable on the continent. In any case he is not discriminating just based on ethnicity, but on an action - not buying something - which harms his business as other paying customers can't get in. The fact that mostly this kicks out tourists is irrelevant to the law, as he has kicked out Irish people who do the same. Nevertheless it is mostly foreigners affected, it's legal because a Spanish group just has to buy water each to stay, as does everybody else.

con___manx1

davo10 wrote: »

Ah, a pub sells drinks, OP decided she wanted to sit in the pub, pull a bottle from a bag and top up his/her glass. Scummy thing to do, out you go and don't come back.

From a legal point of view they have the right to refuse admission for a lifetime if they like.

how is it a scummy thing to do? some people cant afford to buy drinks in pubs. its not scummy. In my backpacking days I topped up my drinks every weekend as the prices were extortionate. Naggin of whiskey in the back pocket. I was never dumb enough to get caught tho.

davo10

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Yes, this. As long as the pub shows it is consistent in it's banning policy. It can't target one group of people who bring in drink but not another.

the cafe close to my place has an owner who will jump at the opportunity to kick out Spanish kids who buy one drink between 10 of them. He just puts up a sign saying that every customer who is seated has to have a drink at least. He does notice the Spanish kids more than others - since they have a rep for doing that - but he has kicked other groups out too. Mostly continentals, must be more acceptable on the continent. In any case he is not discriminating just based on ethnicity, but on an action - not buying something - which harms his business as other paying customers can't get in. The fact that mostly this kicks out tourists is irrelevant to the law, as he has kicked out Irish people who do the same. Nevertheless it is mostly foreigners affected, it's legal because a Spanish group just has to buy water each to stay, as does everybody else.

Is the point of this that all people who bring in their own drinks should be banned? Is this in doubt in OPs case?. If he gives her a lifetime ban while not banning others, then there is more to this story than OP is telling us.

davo10

con___manx1 wrote: »

how is it a scummy thing to do? some people cant afford to buy drinks in pubs. its not scummy. In my backpacking days I topped up my drinks every weekend as the prices were extortionate. Naggin of whiskey in the back pocket. I was never dumb enough to get caught tho.

If you can't afford the drinks, either drink tap water or don't go to the pub. If the prices are extortionate, don't pay them but don't expect to get the benefits of the pub while you sneak in your own alcohol.

Why not just drink at home if you just want alcohol without paying for the pub experience?

blueser

con___manx1 wrote: »

how is it a scummy thing to do? some people cant afford to buy drinks in pubs. its not scummy. In my backpacking days I topped up my drinks every weekend as the prices were extortionate. Naggin of whiskey in the back pocket. I was never dumb enough to get caught tho.

Well then; don't go to the pub if you can't afford to buy drinks when you're there. It doesn't give you the right to bring in your own booze.

Onthe3rdDay

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Yes, this. As long as the pub shows it is consistent in it's banning policy. It can't target one group of people who bring in drink but not another.

the cafe close to my place has an owner who will jump at the opportunity to kick out Spanish kids who buy one drink between 10 of them. He just puts up a sign saying that every customer who is seated has to have a drink at least. He does notice the Spanish kids more than others - since they have a rep for doing that - but he has kicked other groups out too. Mostly continentals, must be more acceptable on the continent. In any case he is not discriminating just based on ethnicity, but on an action - not buying something - which harms his business as other paying customers can't get in. The fact that mostly this kicks out tourists is irrelevant to the law, as he has kicked out Irish people who do the same. Nevertheless it is mostly foreigners affected, it's legal because a Spanish group just has to buy water each to stay, as does everybody else.

I remember going to a gig in a pub once, Paid 10 euro cover charge. Sat down with my friends and we were discussing what to get to drink and who'd go up to order. Before we got the chance someone from the Bar was down saying that if we wanted to stay we had to buy something. This was 5 minutes after handing over 40 euro at the door between us. On principle we got up, demanded our money back and went to the pub across the street instead. I've also been in bars where they try to lift half finished drinks (and succeed with those that are shy or are always saying Sorry!) Then they start asking you if you want the same again just after they took away a perfectly good drink.

MRnotlob606

8 years like ? feck sake , they let you in if they were short on numbers I'll tell ya.

davo10

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

I remember going to a gig in a pub once, Paid 10 euro cover charge. Sat down with my friends and we were discussing what to get to drink and who'd go up to order. Before we got the chance someone from the Bar was down saying that if we wanted to stay we had to buy something. This was 5 minutes after handing over 40 euro at the door between us. On principle we got up, demanded our money back and went to the pub across the street instead. I've also been in bars where they try to lift half finished drinks (and succeed with those that are shy or are always saying Sorry!) Then they start asking you if you want the same again just after they took away a perfectly good drink.

Did they take the drink out of your hand or from the table in front of you? If they did, why didn't you just say you weren't finished?