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Extreme cruelty at puc fair.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    To a bunch of inbreds who don't understand logic? Yeh you're alright.
    It seems a common link that to be stupid enough to enjoy this thing you'd have to be inbred.

    If you feel that strongly about animal cruelty maybe you should tackle larger factions in relation to such cruelty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    It seems a common link that to be stupid enough to enjoy this thing you'd have to be inbred.

    Well thought out.....Your Nobel prize should be in post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭HurtLocker


    It seems a common link that to be stupid enough to enjoy this thing you'd have to be inbred.

    Is that you Einstein?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭tony 2 tone


    How many years has this gone on for and why do people care all of a sudden? Only cos the Irish Times/facebook feed brought it up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    Are zoo staff inbred also ? They keep animals in cages for the entertainment of people. Same with aquarium staff keep animals in Tanks ?

    Most zoos are at the benefit of the animals. This isn't.

    Apart from the use of a cage there's no comparison.

    This is like a circus with it's animals. Yeah, funnily enough the same kinda crowd enjoy that too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    Look at them all coming out of the wood work now "ah Shur I loves a pint at the auld puc fair and isn't a right laugh with the goat HahaHa"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    The goat is only delighted. People throwing him burgers and chips and bowls of guinness all day.

    Who wouldn't be happy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    I've had venison curry,beef curry,chicken curry but never goat curry... hmmm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Is keeping a horse. In a 12ft x 14 ft stable cruel?

    Farming dairy cows. - Is that cruel
    Keeping a dog outside is that cruel.
    Keeping q dog or cat indoors is that cruel.?


    I wonder do half the people who think this is cruel know anything about rural life or "wild "animals


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    Yeah it's bloody stupid. I'm from Kerry and I've been saying this since I was a kid. I don't know why they still do it.

    Puck is crap anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    monflat wrote: »
    Is keeping a horse. In a 12ft x 14 ft stable cruel?

    Farming dairy cows. - Is that cruel
    Keeping a dog outside is that cruel.
    Keeping q dog or cat indoors is that cruel.?


    I wonder do half the people who think this is cruel know anything about rural life or "wild "animals

    Or that the stuff going on in the natural world is far darker than being locked in a cage above the ground.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭HurtLocker


    monflat wrote: »
    Is keeping a horse. In a 12ft x 14 ft stable cruel?

    Farming dairy cows. - Is that cruel
    Keeping a dog outside is that cruel.
    Keeping q dog or cat indoors is that cruel.?


    I wonder do half the people who think this is cruel know anything about rural life or "wild "animals
    To PETA which are mentioned as lobbying this issue in both articles mentioned on this thread yes. All the above are cruel. Sure one day we will threat all animals like kings not animals much like the indians and cows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Bleedin Townies...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    HurtLocker wrote: »
    To PETA which are mentioned as lobbying this issue in both articles mentioned on this thread yes. All the above are cruel. Sure one day we will threat all animals like kings not animals much like the indians and cows.



    Typical humans. Trying to micromanage the animal world


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    HurtLocker wrote: »
    To PETA which are mentioned as lobbying this issue in both articles mentioned on this thread yes. All the above are cruel. Sure one day we will threat all animals like kings not animals much like the indians and cows.

    I love that crowd, Enforcing their version of life on others. The tend to go nuts if you ask them to eat meat. What's with them people and your a monster and all that. Yet they have no problem demanding you do this and that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    This is like Kony all over again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Ah Puc off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    monflat wrote: »
    Is keeping a horse. In a 12ft x 14 ft stable cruel?

    Farming dairy cows. - Is that cruel
    Keeping a dog outside is that cruel.
    Keeping q dog or cat indoors is that cruel.?


    I wonder do half the people who think this is cruel know anything about rural life or "wild "animals

    does a q dog have built in gadgets and stuff cause I want one


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Talib Fiasco


    Puck fair is a great laugh and this is coming from a Cork guy. It's all just an excuse to get pissed and so be it. For God's sake animal cruelty is bloody everywhere. I'd be a lot more concerned with circuses compared to puck tbh. Goats are hard f*ckers anyway. Why spoil a great traditional event? Oh wait Irish people have to complain about everything...


  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Deranged96


    Oh dear God, What's happening to the Irish people? We're being eroded into a modern and boring nation ..let us keep some sentiment of our more guttural and frankly beautiful roots, please.
    The festival is over 400 years old but I'd say the negativity caused by overbearing animal crazed zealots has only come around in the last 5 years.
    To be honest you're well out of touch with your people to be complaining about this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    I thought the goat got to have his way with all the lady goats after for being the king?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    In fairness, in Kerry, a locked cage high in the air is a goats only safe place! :D

    Do you foresee a lot of ESB pole climbing equipment going "missing" soon?:pac:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Hold on a second, a goat is captured, then hoisted into the air 60ft for a number of days?

    Am I the only one who's wondering wtf is going on here?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The goat is constantly monitored by vets and is taken out of the cage at night. He's then released back into the wild when the festival is over. Really, calling it "extreme cruelty" is going way over the top.

    I do think perhaps it would be kinder to have him in a larger pen and at ground level (though you'd then get idiots trying to get in there with him :rolleyes:) but as traditions with animals go this one is pretty harmless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Talib Fiasco


    Hold on a second, a goat is captured, then hoisted into the air 60ft for a number of days?

    Am I the only one who's wondering wtf is going on here?

    Probably the most normal thing that goes on at Puck tbh... Which is what makes it great


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Probably the most normal thing that goes on at Puck tbh... Which is what makes it great

    But why? Do you try and knock it down to win it or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    But why? Do you try and knock it down to win it or something?



    Try looking at what human behaviour that goes on. Blindfold the poor puck

    ..
    ......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Kerry and it's weird traditions. They start off the month of August showcasing a goat in a cage and end the month with a lovely girls competiton in a tent up in Tralee. Hapes of visitors there for the craic on both occasions.

    Crazy ould county.


  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭stoeger


    We could put a baby in there and proclaim it the king of the babies.

    Any babies spare?

    We have a spider baby it has the body of a baby and the head of a baby but the mind of a spider


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Why is this allowed to continue? What the hell doe sit accomplish? Why is taking a terrified wild goat from the public and caging it considered fun, especially when it is suspended 60 feet in the air for several days in varying weather conditions.

    irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welfare-concerns-over-cage-for-puck-fair-1.1890708

    Would you ever get out of it, its people like you that have this country gone mad with p.c rubbish.
    Puck fair has been around for hundreds of years and we dont need a bunch of bleeding hearts trying to bring it down.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    But why? Do you try and knock it down to win it or something?

    He's the king. King puck. It's a ore Christian tradition.

    Not one embraced by neo-pagans but they make their own **** up.

    The anger here is typical dull suburbanites appalled that there may be people in the world who do things differently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    its people like you that have this country gone mad with p.c rubbish.
    Lol. Straight out of Viz. :pac:

    Of course it's cruel. I'm not getting all bothered about it but if you have to give it a description, then obviously it's cruel. The goat is going to be terrified. The fact there are other animal cruelty concerns (or that this is a tradition) doesn't change this remotely. :confused:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    He's the king. King puck. It's a ore Christian tradition.

    Not one embraced by neo-pagans but they make their own **** up.

    The anger here is typical dull suburbanites appalled that there may be people in the world who do things differently.

    What did they use to hoist him up before cranes? This is bizzare...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    What did they use to hoist him up before cranes? This is bizzare...

    There were always cranes in Kerry. They hired them out to the plebs building stonehenge ffs. Cute feckers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Why are people trying to say the Goat is terrified?

    There is just as much chance that the goat loves it as there is that he is terrified?

    He gets decent food for 3 days, has a roof over his head, which gives more shelter from the elements then he would on the side of the mountain.

    The only downside is that he is kept in a cage for 3 days, but if that is "torture" or "extreme cruelty" then anyone who has tied their dog down, put their dog in a kennel, kept a horse in a stable etc. is as guilty. Restricing an animal is restricting an animal, whatever way you do it.

    Is there any evidence that the goats suffer from their 3 day stint in Kilorglin? Any facts and figures of goats that die within 6 months of the Festival?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    He's the king. King puck. It's a ore Christian tradition.

    Not one embraced by neo-pagans but they make their own **** up.

    The anger here is typical dull suburbanites appalled that there may be people in the world who do things differently.

    I read this again, it doesn't really answer any questions, the king of this thing is a goat, locked in a cage, suspended 60ft in the air.

    The mind boggles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    Why are people trying to say the Goat is terrified?
    The whole being taken from its habitat and hoisted into the air and up there for three days. This is obviously cruel. The facts speak for themselves - it's just that people don't want to admit it because it's tradition which needs to be clung to, otherwise we'll turn into PC suburbanites or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,187 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    There were always cranes in Kerry. They hired them out to the plebs building stonehenge ffs. Cute feckers.

    Aye. Your man Liebherr was a firsht-cousin of St. Colmcille.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Magaggie wrote: »
    The whole being taken from its habitat and hoisted into the air and up there for three days. This is obviously cruel. The facts speak for themselves - it's just that people don't want to admit it because it's tradition which needs to be clung to, otherwise we'll turn into PC suburbanites or something.
    I went to Barcelona. I was out of my habitat. I loved it. Who's to say the goats won't like the change of scenery?

    p.s Goats love heights.

    http://www.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/01//goat25.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Deranged96


    I read this again, it doesn't really answer any questions, the king of this thing is a goat, locked in a cage, suspended 60ft in the air.

    The mind boggles.

    You'd know you're from Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Lol. Straight out of Viz. :pac:

    Of course it's cruel. I'm not getting all bothered about it but if you have to give it a description, then obviously it's cruel. The goat is going to be terrified. The fact there are other animal cruelty concerns (or that this is a tradition) doesn't change this remotely. :confused:

    How could you possible know that ? Ever hear of mountain goats ? they love heights. Says as a species they have no problem with heights.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    I went to Barcelona. I was out of my habitat. I loved it. Who's to say the goats won't like the change of scenery?
    Please, this is farcical. You weren't grabbed from your home out of the blue and brought somewhere without a clue what was going on.
    Just admit there's cause for believing this is cruel instead of pretending there isn't. Not liking the truth doesn't change the truth.

    Oh fair enough, goats love heights - so they are just bound to love being suspended in a cage for three days, silly me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Please, this is farcical. You weren't grabbed from your home out of the blue and brought somewhere without a clue what was going on.
    Just admit there's cause for believing this is cruel instead of pretending there isn't. Not liking the truth doesn't change the truth.

    Oh fair enough, goats love heights - so they are just bound to love being suspended in a cage for three days, silly me.

    Really ? Goats live in houses now ? thought they lived in the wild and roamed freely about. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    . to bray at. :mad:

    Leave Bray out of this!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Deranged96 wrote: »
    You'd know you're from Dublin.
    Why would you "know" this? The upset at people disagreeing with this tradition is hilarious. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Please, this is farcical. You weren't grabbed from your home out of the blue and brought somewhere without a clue what was going on.
    Just admit there's cause for believing this is cruel instead of pretending there isn't. Not liking the truth doesn't change the truth.

    Oh fair enough, goats love heights - so they are just bound to love being suspended in a cage for three days, silly me.

    It's a goat, he eats he sh1ts he sleeps then he is happy.

    Not as if he will be traumatised or socially deprived on his little holiday in the sky.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Why would you "know" this? The upset at people disagreeing with this tradition is hilarious. :D

    Upset ? we are not the ones going "think of the children that animal is terrified" I think the people complaining about the festival are the ones getting upset.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Deranged96 wrote: »
    You'd know you're from Dublin.

    This is the weakest argument. I don't know how serious you are.

    Rural people are quick to accuse others of being prejudiced and using cutesy stereotypes against them but then quick to use the rural stereotype to get out of defending some of the problems unique to their area.
    We are all Irish. Get over it.
    Why are people trying to say the Goat is terrified?

    There is just as much chance that the goat loves it as there is that he is terrified?

    He gets decent food for 3 days, has a roof over his head, which gives more shelter from the elements then he would on the side of the mountain.


    Animals experts have defined it as being distressing. It is not as if we are saying no to the festival. We are simply asking for different ways of treating the goat. I don't see why people are so against a compromise. After all don't they want good pr and to attract more to the festival? Changing and modernizing it is the best way to guard it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Upset ? we are not the ones going "think of the children that animal is terrified" I think the people complaining about the festival are the ones getting upset.
    People are just saying there are clearly cruel aspects to it - doesn't mean they're upset; they're simply stating facts. Very dishonest to say the goat will be fine/happy with it. It's lying due to defensiveness.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Why would you "know" this? The upset at people disagreeing with this tradition is hilarious. :D

    I am from Dublin, however I'm not upset, just very confused.


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