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Extreme cruelty at puc fair.

  • 08-08-2014 8:54pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 72 ✭✭


    Why is this allowed to continue? What the hell doe sit accomplish? Why is taking a terrified wild goat from the public and caging it considered fun, especially when it is suspended 60 feet in the air for several days in varying weather conditions.

    irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welfare-concerns-over-cage-for-puck-fair-1.1890708


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Why is this allowed to continue? What the hell doe sit accomplish? Why is taking a terrified wild goat from the public and caging it considered fun, especially when it is suspended 60 feet in the air for several days in varying weather conditions.

    irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welfare-concerns-over-cage-for-puck-fair-1.1890708

    That made me laugh.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    Fúcking inbreds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    It's one of the quirks of Irish humour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭keano25


    Let the kerryman jokes begin..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    It's one of the quirks of Irish humour

    I'm not Irish and I still wouldn't want all of the Irish being lumped in with these half wits.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    It's only a goat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    wazky wrote: »
    It's only a goat.

    His name is billy...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 72 ✭✭The Singing Beard


    wazky wrote: »
    It's only a goat.

    And? Does it excuse cruelty to something that has feeling ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    wazky wrote: »
    It's only a goat.
    No kidding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    wazky wrote: »
    It's only a goat.

    Nah.

    Stick a human in there instead. We've 7 billion of them, and sure it's only a human, so who cares anyway.

    I'm dead serious too.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    I'm not Irish and I still wouldn't want all of the Irish being lumped in with these half wits.

    Irish humour, being the backwards **** people do that is inherently funny.

    Like this, A goat dangling above them while they get pissed and then let him go as king of the goats.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Nah.

    Stick a human in there instead. We've 7 billion of them, and sure it's only a human, so who cares anyway.

    I'm dead serious too.

    We could put a baby in there and proclaim it the king of the babies.

    Any babies spare?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    "Extreme cruelty"is a bit much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Why is this allowed to continue? What the hell doe sit accomplish? Why is taking a terrified wild goat from the public and caging it considered fun, especially when it is suspended 60 feet in the air for several days in varying weather conditions.

    irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welfare-concerns-over-cage-for-puck-fair-1.1890708

    In fairness, I think the goat is given a weeks holiday with his partner in southern France as a thank you for his participation in the event. He gets some spending money too IIRC so I wouldn't go feeling too sorry now for old goatie. When he arrives back home to all his buddies at the side of a random mountain he can then proceed to tell them all about his great adventures. He will be the business and he will feel great being the business. Go on goatie, BE THE BUSINESS!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    The goat would be off eating socks and barbed wire anyway. It considers being 60' up in the air an escape challenge. Goats are robust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    keano25 wrote: »
    Let the kerryman jokes begin..

    Ok

    The Monsignor greeted The local kerryman and said "Congratulations on your 50th wedding anniversary"! Have you any plans made on how to celebrate?"
    "Well," said Paddy, "on our 25th Anniversary I took Mary to England"
    And what are you going to do on your 50th?" asked the Msgr.
    "Well," said Paddy "I think I'll bring her back."



    Sorry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Nah.

    Stick a human in there instead. We've 7 billion of them, and sure it's only a human, so who cares anyway.

    I'm dead serious too.

    We've never had any complaints from the goat so far though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What's the significance of caging the goat for 3 days on a stand? It would be better for the little guy to be brought in crowned and then brought back to the wild all on the same day. Maybe put him on a lease and bring him into the pubs so people can stroke him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    It's cruelty and it's sickening. What's even more sickening is the Gob****e minister Coveney doesn't agree that it's cruelty. Department of agriculture, what a joke, they don't give a damn about animal welfare. They hunt a wild goat, hoist it in a cage for people to point and laugh at. A wild animal suspended in a cage for the inbred masses to bray at. Fcuking halfwits:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    It might be a bit mean to stick him in a cage but he'd be well used to the weather. Much worse things are done to animals to get concerned about


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    What's the significance of caging the goat for 3 days on a stand? It would be better for the little guy to be brought in crowned and then brought back to the wild all on the same day. Maybe put him on a lease and bring into the pubs so people can stroke him.

    Typical Kerry, there's always ownership involved. "God made the world, but seaweed made that field..and the goat, 60' up above it.."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭umop.episdn


    Put the goat in the cage....put Michael Healy Rae in the cage....hoist it up and let them fight to the death...only lower the cage when we hear the bleating death rattle from either of them


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's like drink driving, once they're culchies and have a licence for it it should be fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    So, this is getting on your goat OP? Ever been to a bull fight? That's even worserer.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    It's cruelty and it's sickening. What's even more sickening is the Gob****e minister Coveney doesn't agree that it's cruelty. Department of agriculture, what a joke, they don't give a damn about animal welfare. They hunt a wild goat, hoist it in a cage for people to point and laugh at. A wild animal suspended in a cage for the inbred masses to bray at. Fcuking halfwits:mad:

    They heavily sedate him after the first day, so he won't remember any of it.

    So its not really that cruel!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    So, this is getting on your goat OP? Ever been to a bull fight? That's even worserer.

    A goat is just a horny sheep anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    As. An animal lover I hate to see any animal harmed or likewise however I do think. By saying this is " extreme cruelty " is goin a bit far.

    Extreme cruelty would be like letting the goat starve no food r water subject to high or low temperatures with no shelter.

    Causing harm to the animal
    .

    The organisers claim that the goat is monitored and not harmed.

    I think people jump on the PC wagon and say this ain't right.

    There's plenty of cases of "extreme cruelty " in the four corners of Ireland unfortunately and they involve a lot more than a goat in.a cage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    They heavily sedate him after the first day, so he won't remember any of it.

    So its not really that cruel!

    :confused: That sounds a bit like saying hare coursing is OK since the dogs are muzzled. Either way hunting a wild animal and putting it through hell for public amusement is sickening. Yes, I know a lot of worse things are happening to animals, but the Puc fair is unneccesary suffering and it's time they stopped using a live animal, they could just use a mascot or have a statue or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭HurtLocker


    PETA seem to have arrived in the country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Why is this allowed to continue? What the hell doe sit accomplish? Why is taking a terrified wild goat from the public and caging it considered fun, especially when it is suspended 60 feet in the air for several days in varying weather conditions.

    irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welfare-concerns-over-cage-for-puck-fair-1.1890708

    Yes its ridiculous.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/king-puck-cage-ritual-out-of-the-dark-ages-say-animal-welfare-groups-278773.html


    It's not extremists who are claiming it is wrong.


    The thing is though it IS possible to do this without causing distress to the goat . They could actually make alternative arrangements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭h2005


    It's their culture shur.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Go down to Killorglin and state your case there OP. Computer talk is the lazy way out.


    Do post back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    monflat wrote: »
    As. An animal lover I hate to see any animal harmed or likewise however I do think. By saying this is " extreme cruelty " is goin a bit far.

    Extreme cruelty would be like letting the goat starve no food r water subject to high or low temperatures with no shelter.

    Causing harm to the animal
    .

    The organisers claim that the goat is monitored and not harmed.

    I think people jump on the PC wagon and say this ain't right.

    There's plenty of cases of "extreme cruelty " in the four corners of Ireland unfortunately and they involve a lot more than a goat in.a cage.

    Do you not think that putting a wild animal in a cage above a very loud crowd is extremely cruel? The animal is used to living wild and having little or no contact with people or urban life. It would be terrified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Typical load of whinging. I did security at a pub there one year and it wasn't the potential cruelty toward the goat I found worrying, it was the potential cruelty from the gangs of mad Travellers armed to the f*cking teeth. The goat is up there and he's only loving it. No fear of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Am I right he's (the goat) made king of killorglin or something??

    You can stick me in a cage and suspend me if I'm made king of something at the end of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Do you not think that putting a wild animal in a cage above a very loud crowd is extremely cruel? The animal is used to living wild and having little or n
    o contact with people or urban life. It would be terrified.



    I don't agree with it totally no I don't but. I would not brand it as EXTREME I would say yes it's not right but there are far more concerning issues of animal cruelty goin on.
    Sickening cases of torture and neglect that I would call " extreme "


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    Go down to Killorglin and state your case there OP. Computer talk is the lazy way out.


    Do post back.

    To a bunch of inbreds who don't understand logic? Yeh you're alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Has there ever been any instances of the goat escaping or being nicked by pranksters? I presume the animal is heavily guarded by locals day and night, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭monflat


    Do you not think that putting a wild animal in a cage above a very loud crowd is extremely cruel? The animal is used to living wild and having little or no contact with people or urban life. It would be terrified.


    And bringing a few sheep or horses a mart / fair with a loud crowd with car horns beeping children running everywhere noise commotion music etc etc is something similar

    There are hundreds of animal owners all over the country who bring their " untouched " animals in from a field hill mountain whatever and subject them to a mart or a fair


    I don't see too many giving out about these animals?
    Ok they all aren't in a cage but they're in pens trailers tied up to trailers etc with no where to run........
    Similar if you ask me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    To a bunch of inbreds who don't understand logic? Yeh you're alright.

    You must be a dab hand at the aul' geneology since you have claimed that everyone there is inbred.

    Is there a specific link between incest and goat-capturing? Was there a goat on a giant pedestal in the Fritzel basement too?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Put the goat in the cage....put Michael Healy Rae in the cage...

    How extreme is this cruelty going to get?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Hang on it's a wild goat yes ? Lives outside in all weather, Yes bit exposed up there. As for the height, Is their not loads of mountain goats ? That would infer as a species they don’t really have a problem with height. I understand the lack of mountains here but still.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Goats there are well looked after I don't see any evidence of extreme cruelty ? and to postulate that its cruel OP you better be a vegetarian/vegan or other wise it would seem Ironic that you are concerned with the welfare of a goat 80ft high but think its fine for a pig to be butchered for the sausages you eat for breakfast or for a lamb to be slaughtered for your kebab.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    They tell you they let him back to the wild, what they actually do is cut his throat like the Muslims and stick him on a spit, theirs no kebab like a wild goat kebab


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    The healy rae 's will probably look for a grant for the goat....or else any1 who attends tne fair be given permission to have 10 pints and drive home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    keano25 wrote: »
    Let the kerryman jokes begin..

    In fairness, in Kerry, a locked cage high in the air is a goats only safe place! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    crockholm wrote: »
    You must be a dab hand at the aul' geneology since you have claimed that everyone there is inbred.

    Is there a specific link between incest and goat-capturing? Was there a goat on a giant pedestal in the Fritzel basement too?
    It seems a common link that to be stupid enough to enjoy this thing you'd have to be inbred.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    It seems a common link that to be stupid enough to enjoy this thing you'd have to be inbred.

    Are zoo staff inbred also ? They keep animals in cages for the entertainment of people. Same with aquarium staff keep animals in Tanks ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,094 ✭✭✭forgotten password


    is The Sham Rock still open, lively pub


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭junospider


    Opinions differ.I dont think its cruel at all.The goat will be grand ,released unharmed.
    The PETA gob****es sicken me,they dont know what they are talking about.Joe Duffy gave your man enough of it on the radio today.


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