Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

ted1 · 28-03-2014 4:57pm

what's the 20c for?

it certainly wouldn't cover the wages of anyone based there. An automate one like in sandycove would be better than a manned one.

Kingp35 · 28-03-2014 5:03pm

ted1 wrote: »

what's the 20c for?

it certainly wouldn't cover the wages of anyone based there. An automate one like in sandycove would be better than a manned one.

It's used as a deterrent to keep junkies etc out of the toilets as they have to pay to use them as well as being put towards the up keep of the toilets themselves.

the groutch · 14-04-2014 10:29pm

just a heads up that there's a new Parcel Motel collection point just outside the ferry terminal, might be of use to someone?

https://public.circulator.com/Images/860236459.jpg

Tabnabs · 01-05-2014 11:28am

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/new-36-6m-d%C3%BAn-laoghaire-library-building-criticised-as-monstrosity-1.1779199

That "monstrosity" is in the news again.

Do Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown Ratepayers Association have an online presence?

Larbre34 · 04-05-2014 12:31pm

The Sindo have given the story a bump again this morning.

I wonder if the new Council have enough independent and non traditional party members, might they vote to pay out the contract and have it demolished? I certainly dont disagree with the calls to do so. Im all for facilities and rejuvenation but they have to be practical, sympathetic and appropriate. What has been built is lazy, failed postmodern rubbish.

coylemj · 04-05-2014 2:48pm

Did the councillors ever actually get to vote on whether that place should be built or not? If they did then I'd like to know who did vote for it, if it was never put to them to decide 'yea or nay' then it shows that having elected councillors is just window-dressing and the council is really run by unelected officials - the same faceless, unaccountable people who get to decide the speed limit on the N11 all the way into UCD and the rates for parking in the borough.

EricPraline · 05-05-2014 12:31am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I wonder if the new Council have enough independent and non traditional party members, might they vote to pay out the contract and have it demolished? I certainly dont disagree with the calls to do so. Im all for facilities and rejuvenation but they have to be practical, sympathetic and appropriate. What has been built is lazy, failed postmodern rubbish.

Demolition at this stage is probably futile. That said, the defence of this development on the basis that it's "progress" sounds remarkably like the defence that was made for the ESB building at Fitzwilliam St or the Bunkers at Christchurch.

I have also found it quite interesting to hear canvassing councillors defending the development, while simultaneously bemoaning the lack of funding available for any other facilities in the Dlr CoCo area.

Chinasea · 05-05-2014 9:50am

Perhaps they could get a two for one monstrosity deal with Geligniteia. Dun Laoghaire SC being the other one of the two.

Larbre34 · 07-05-2014 11:21am

Chinasea wrote: »

Perhaps they could get a two for one monstrosity deal with Geligniteia. Dun Laoghaire SC being the other one of the two.

I liked the freudian before your edit

Middle Man · 23-05-2014 12:31am

Larbre34 wrote: »

The Sindo have given the story a bump again this morning.

I wonder if the new Council have enough independent and non traditional party members, might they vote to pay out the contract and have it demolished? I certainly dont disagree with the calls to do so. Im all for facilities and rejuvenation but they have to be practical, sympathetic and appropriate. What has been built is lazy, failed postmodern rubbish.

Oh Yeah, anything that's modern is rubbish - I'm sick to death of this modernist bashing. I actually saw that building recently (up close and from the East Pier) and I like it and yes, I do think it knits the architectural fabric of the town together quite well - for once, we have something innovative in this country and what do people want to do? - demolish it!

Long live the Central Library!

Chinasea · 23-05-2014 7:40am

Middle Man wrote: »

Oh Yeah, anything that's modern is rubbish - I'm sick to death of this modernist bashing. I actually saw that building recently (up close and from the East Pier) and I like it and yes, I do think it knits the architectural fabric of the town together quite well - for once, we have something innovative in this country and what do people want to do? - demolish it!

Long live the Central Library!

Anything building that is modern and has not incorporated ANY method of sustainable / green energy is rubbish.

ted1 · 23-05-2014 10:33am

Middle Man wrote: »

Oh Yeah, anything that's modern is rubbish - I'm sick to death of this modernist bashing. I actually saw that building recently (up close and from the East Pier) and I like it and yes, I do think it knits the architectural fabric of the town together quite well - for once, we have something innovative in this country and what do people want to do? - demolish it!

Long live the Central Library!

Its location is wrong, it cuts Dun laoighre in two. Stand on the steps by Oilveti and look towards Dun Laoighre, its gone!!! the library blocks the entire view and as such offer no incentives for people to vernture in to the town or even up towards the pavilion.

its also not a modern building, it resembles the UCD arts blocks.

these are modern buildings https://www.google.ie/search?q=ucd+arts+block&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=_RR_U56sI6qu7AbEnYGQCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=815#q=modern+buildings&safe=off&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

what modern material has being used? what separates it from buildings built in the 70's?

these http://archiseek.com/2010/2003-unbuilt-dublin-dun-laoghaire-harbour-carlisle-pier/#.U38Vw9JdVXE could classify as a modern design.

josip · 23-05-2014 10:39am

It would be more correct to describe it as an example of Brutalist architecture rather than Modernist.
I thought that Dublin City Council had put the final nail in the Brutalist coffin.

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2014 11:11am

A smaller, less imposing building made from glass would have been good. What we have looks like domething out of Stalinsit Russia.

Agent Smith · 27-05-2014 4:38pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

A smaller, less imposing building made from glass would have been good. What we have looks like domething out of Stalinsit Russia.

In Soviet Dun laoghaire... Books read you!

Agent Smith · 27-05-2014 4:48pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I wonder if the new Council have enough independent and non traditional party members, might they vote to pay out the contract and have it demolished? I certainly dont disagree with the calls to do so. Im all for facilities and rejuvenation but they have to be practical, sympathetic and appropriate. What has been built is lazy, failed postmodern rubbish.

Who controls Dun Laoghaire council?

You could have a left coilition of Labour, SF and Ind's / pbp.

Cant wait to see them get a budget passed!

schemingbohemia · 27-05-2014 5:49pm

Agent Smith wrote: »

Who controls Dun Laoghaire council?

You could have a left coilition of Labour, SF and Ind's / pbp.

Cant wait to see them get a budget passed!

You're presuming all the independents are left leaning, they aren't.

Labour, FG and Greens plus 1 other could be a workable option.

Fratton Fred · 31-05-2014 11:06am

How does this enhance the sea front

Larbre34 · 01-06-2014 6:51pm

^ it truly is an epic fail. Id knock it down, I really would. Forget the cost, you have to think of the thing in 50 or 100 years time. They should cut their losses and raze it. And then the Dept of Environment and Local Govt should hold an investigation into the failure of the planning procedure in this instance.

Aard · 01-06-2014 6:59pm

Anybody (including private individuals) can initiate a planning judicial review. Obviously DLR would do no such thing. Do you believe that there was a mistake made in the planning process?

markpb · 01-06-2014 7:23pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

^ it truly is an epic fail. Id knock it down, I really would. Forget the cost, you have to think of the thing in 50 or 100 years time. They should cut their losses and raze it. And then the Dept of Environment and Local Govt should hold an investigation into the failure of the planning procedure in this instance.

Epic fail simply because you dislike it or because there is an actual problem with it or with the process used to apply for planning permission? I suspect the former.

CatFromHue · 01-06-2014 10:13pm

Honestly I don't think it's that bad.

It doesn't enhance the sea front but I don't think it takes away, or takes away much, from it either.

jpfahy · 01-06-2014 10:28pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Honestly I don't think it's that bad.

It doesn't enhance the sea front but I don't think it takes away, or takes away much, from it either.

Your attitude is typical of the Irish. Something is forced on us and all we can say is "aw shure it ain't that bad" That building is a disgrace. When you think of what they could have built - they could have created a georgian style masterpiece that would have made Dun Laoghaire a must visit destination. Don't forget that we have lost a public park for this. Don't forget either that the existing library at the end of the town is a Carnegie library - donated to the people on condition that it can only ever be used as a library. What are they going to do with it???

Larbre34 · 01-06-2014 11:05pm

markpb wrote: »

Epic fail simply because you dislike it or because there is an actual problem with it or with the process used to apply for planning permission? I suspect the former.

Both.

Councillors in front of whom the planning reports were placed, have made statements that what they were shown did not at all accurately convey the scale of what was built . That may or may not be true, but there is enough doubt being thrown around to warrant an external examination of the process.

Aard · 01-06-2014 11:35pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Councillors in front of whom the planning reports were placed, have made statements that what they were shown did not at all accurately convey the scale of what was built . That may or may not be true, but there is enough doubt being thrown around to warrant an external examination of the process.

I wonder if those Councillors are suggesting that they were somehow deceived only in light of the public's negative reaction to the building.

CatFromHue · 02-06-2014 12:57am

jpfahy wrote: »

Your attitude is typical of the Irish. Something is forced on us and all we can say is "aw shure it ain't that bad" That building is a disgrace. When you think of what they could have built - they could have created a georgian style masterpiece that would have made Dun Laoghaire a must visit destination. Don't forget that we have lost a public park for this. Don't forget either that the existing library at the end of the town is a Carnegie library - donated to the people on condition that it can only ever be used as a library. What are they going to do with it???

When you go to the new library you'll be able to sit and read a book with one of the, if not the, best views in Dublin.

Reading away and then looking up every now and again will be a great experience.

The old library is a great building but from my, all be it limited experience, it was too small. The times I've been there there's not been enough seats to sit down and read a book.

I don't know if this was forced on us as I presume, granted I do not know fully, that it would have gone through the regular planning controls i.e. people could have objected to it.

cobham · 02-06-2014 9:27am

The usual planning system does not apply to a local authority building within their own jurisdiction.

Larbre34 · 02-06-2014 10:18am

Aard wrote: »

I wonder if those Councillors are suggesting that they were somehow deceived only in light of the public's negative reaction to the building.

Precisely the sort of ambiguity that should be examined externally.

Larbre34 · 02-06-2014 10:22am

cobham wrote: »

The usual planning system does not apply to a local authority building within their own jurisdiction.

No but there is a process within the planning regulations known as Part 8.

That allows for public consultation and has to draw up an impact report on planning and environmental grounds. Then the Councillors are the ones who approve it or not. As they are generally not qualified in relevant disciplines, and I mean this in terms of any such process across the country, maybe they should no longer be the ones to make the decision.

RainyDay · 02-06-2014 11:55am

jpfahy wrote: »

When you think of what they could have built - they could have created a georgian style masterpiece that would have made Dun Laoghaire a must visit destination.

You do know that we left the Georgian era behind a couple of centuries ago?

You may not like the building, and we're all entitled to our personal opinion, but that doesn't make it a bad decision. I saw the building for the first time yesterday, and I was fairly impressed. It fits neatly into the existing skyline when I looked back from the pier. Personally, I'd have liked more windows and less walls, but that's just my opinion. It is going to be a fabulous centre of activity for the town, with study facilities, meeting rooms, arts facilities, music rooms and lots more.

And the park will still be there too.

Ghost Train · 02-06-2014 12:38pm

Am I missing something, 35m invested into public building and people want to demolish it? Surely time to object would be at planning stage

ted1 · 03-06-2014 8:04am

CatFromHue wrote: »

When you go to the new library you'll be able to sit and read a book with one of the, if not the, best views in Dublin.

Reading away and then looking up every now and again will be a great experience.

The old library is a great building but from my, all be it limited experience, it was too small. The times I've been there there's not been enough seats to sit down and read a book.

I don't know if this was forced on us as I presume, granted I do not know fully, that it would have gone through the regular planning controls i.e. people could have objected to it.

Or pick up a book from the other library and Read it on a bench . Also I'm not to sure of how many seats in the multi million library wil actually have the view you talk about.

Tabnabs · 23-06-2014 12:12pm

Oh look, they're objecting to a new development in Dun Laoghaire...

http://www.herald.ie/news/25m-floating-pool-and-urban-beach-plan-is-scaled-back-30343948.html

josip · 23-06-2014 12:40pm

Probably covered here before, but do they really think the pool would bring in 140,000 additional vistors a year?

The National Acquatic Centre had 813,000 visitors for a year round facility that has a much more substantial infrastructure.

On a nice summer day I'd rather go to Seapoint/Forty Foot/Killiney.
Not really interested in winter.
So shoulder seasons only for me.

spillit67 · 24-06-2014 9:45am

No thanks on the urban beach/pool.

ted1 · 24-06-2014 2:35pm

spillit67 wrote: »

No thanks on the urban beach/pool.

why do you say that?

Larbre34 · 31-07-2014 5:19pm

http://www.herald.ie/news/addicts-driving-shoppers-from-centre-of-town-30471377.html

coylemj · 31-07-2014 5:51pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

http://www.herald.ie/news/addicts-driving-shoppers-from-centre-of-town-30471377.html

Traders in Dun Laoghaire say that customers are being "driven away" by the methadone clinic in the town centre.

Meanwhile, there was also a show of strength at the meeting, as the town's campaign to retain its courthouse moved up a gear.

They want to get rid of the methadone clinic but keep the courthouse

A classic case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

Larbre34 · 01-08-2014 12:14pm

coylemj wrote: »

Traders in Dun Laoghaire say that customers are being "driven away" by the methadone clinic in the town centre.

Meanwhile, there was also a show of strength at the meeting, as the town's campaign to retain its courthouse moved up a gear.

They want to get rid of the methadone clinic but keep the courthouse

A classic case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

In fairness the two premises aren't synonymous. The knock on effect of the methadone clinic is pretty much all negative, but the Courthouse is used for all sorts of minor civil business as well as the criminal stuff. The fact the Garda station is right next door gives it a high degree of passive security and in my opinion it doesnt generate much trouble in its environs.

josip · 01-08-2014 1:21pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

In fairness the two premises aren't synonymous. The knock on effect of the methadone clinic is pretty much all negative, but the Courthouse is used for all sorts of minor civil business as well as the criminal stuff. The fact the Garda station is right next door gives it a high degree of passive security and in my opinion it doesnt generate much trouble in its environs.

Even if the Court House closes, the Garda Station will remain in place.
Does the Court House really add to a sense of security if you have a big Garda station beside it?
I think it's the local solicitors who will be inconvenienced by this who are kicking up most of the fuss. Are any others significantly affected?

Larbre34 · 02-08-2014 9:37pm

Im sure the Courthouse doesnt have too many 'regular' customers so its only when youre sent to Blanchardstown for a parking summons that you'd realise what a pain in the backside of an inconvenience it would be.

josip · 02-08-2014 10:49pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Im sure the Courthouse doesnt have too many 'regular' customers so its only when youre sent to Blanchardstown for a parking summons that you'd realise what a pain in the backside of an inconvenience it would be.

Why not just pay the parking fine and save yourself a trip to the courthouse regardless of where it is?

TheVoodoo · 03-08-2014 12:37pm

josip wrote: »

Why not just pay the parking fine and save yourself a trip to the courthouse regardless of where it is?

Because not everyone who gets summons/fine is in the wrong?

Multiple cases recently where cars in the lanes (Cantwell, Lynch) were ticketed for being in loading bays, despite the spaces not being marked as loading.

Also, for about 2 weeks the wrong names were up on the lanes, meaning all tickets are invalid.

josip · 05-08-2014 12:28am

TheVoodoo wrote: »

Because not everyone who gets summons/fine is in the wrong?

Multiple cases recently where cars in the lanes (Cantwell, Lynch) were ticketed for being in loading bays, despite the spaces not being marked as loading.

Also, for about 2 weeks the wrong names were up on the lanes, meaning all tickets are invalid.

Are most of those not resolvable by contacting the private ticketing company directly and appealing?
I was given a ticket in DL where a meter was out of order, appealed it and the ticket was canceled.

TheVoodoo · 05-08-2014 10:44am

josip wrote: »

Are most of those not resolvable by contacting the private ticketing company directly and appealing?
I was given a ticket in DL where a meter was out of order, appealed it and the ticket was canceled.

Some are, but others not so much.. i guess it all depends on the person who reviews the appeal.

Tabnabs · 05-08-2014 10:51am

DL Court is also a small claims court, so very much to the benefit of the wider community to keep it where it is.

Larbre34 · 05-08-2014 11:22am

josip wrote: »

Why not just pay the parking fine and save yourself a trip to the courthouse regardless of where it is?

I would alright, because frankly lifes too short, but obviously thousands of people try to ignore or avoid fines and eventually end up in Court, besides which there is far more than parking fines being prosecuted in DL court

ollie1 · 07-08-2014 12:25am

Has Walters pub closed down?

MonkstownHoop · 07-08-2014 12:30am

ollie1 wrote: »

Has Walters pub closed down?

seems so

Larbre34 · 07-08-2014 9:33am

Pity, quite liked it for the occasional sneaky pint.

I think so many of the pubs in the town being in the hands of one certain licence holder has been a bad thing as they all deteriorated.

I never thought Id say it, but get Wetherspoons in there quick!

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