Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Tabnabs

I really can't be arsed to read it at the moment, but there's a new development plan in the offing for DL, all sorts of input being sought currently.

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,10420,en.html

and yet another plan

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,11055,en.html

HonalD

Tabnabs wrote: »

I really can't be arsed to read it at the moment, but there's a new development plan in the offing for DL, all sorts of input being sought currently.

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,10420,en.html

and yet another plan

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,11055,en.html

This all reminds me of a scene in the Mark's Brothers "Day at the Races".

kumate_champ07

last night there were trucks with huge cylindrical shipping containers at the port, Ive never seen any that big before, there was alot of security too. anyone know what it was?

Heroditas

A new develiopment plan for Dun Laoghaire?
They must have found the last few junctions in the borough that don't have one of the following:
1. Traffic lights
2. Ramps
3. "Traffic calming measures"

and have decided to "fix" them.

jake is right

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

last night there were trucks with huge cylindrical shipping containers at the port, Ive never seen any that big before, there was alot of security too. anyone know what it was?

They were en-route to Guinness in Dublin.

Larbre34

Heroditas wrote: »

A new develiopment plan for Dun Laoghaire?
They must have found the last few junctions in the borough that don't have one of the following:
1. Traffic lights
2. Ramps
3. "Traffic calming measures"

and have decided to "fix" them.

County Development Plan. Its sets the planning (including zoning) and policy framework for the County for the 6 years from 2016. In my business its the most important thing to see coming in any county.

Aard

^ And also the CDP covers the entire DLR county, not just DL itself. If you have an opinion about traffic signals or ramps, why not make a submission?

the groutch

Dublin City Council after agreeing a 5% cut in business rates today, wonder will that put pressure on DLR to follow suit?

Tragedy

the groutch wrote: »

Dublin City Council after agreeing a 5% cut in business rates today, wonder will that put pressure on DLR to follow suit?

DLRCC adopted the 2015 budget a week ago, with a 2.5% rate cut.

Tabnabs

So, this


http://www.fkp.ie/?portfolio=urban-beach-and-floating-pool

Has been granted planning permission by DLRCoCo. Let the NIMBY flaming begin...

strandroad

Tabnabs wrote: »

Has been granted planning permission by DLRCoCo. Let the NIMBY flaming begin...

Why there and not in the Baths is the bit I can't understand?

zagmund

It's not in (or near) anyones back yard, so I reckon NIMBY won't apply.

z

ted1

mhge wrote: »

Why there and not in the Baths is the bit I can't understand?

The harbour company don't iwn the baths. They are owned by the council. There's seperate plans for the baths. All plans for the baths to date have being blocked

With the loss of the ferries to the harbour, they need to rejuvenate and add more life and revenue

strandroad

ted1 wrote: »

The harbour company don't iwn the baths. They are owned by the council. There's seperate plans for the baths. All plans for the baths to date have being blocked

With the loss of the ferries to the harbour, they need to rejuvenate and add more life and revenue

Cheers! Who's blocking the plans for the baths and why?

ted1

mhge wrote: »

Cheers! Who's blocking the plans for the baths and why?

Left wing loonies( the Richard Boyd Barrett gang ) and NIMBYS they have to much time on their hands....

Tabnabs

Plans for the Baths have also been objected to by ABP. It seems to have stalled at this stage:

http://www.environ.ie/en/Foreshore/ApplicationsandDeterminations/WorksatDunLaoghaireBaths/

coylemj

ted1 wrote: »

Left wing loonies( the Richard Boyd Barrett gang ) and NIMBYS they have to much time on their hands....

+1 any sniff of a project that involves private money in partnership with the local authority and RBB and his disciples scream blue murder. Their ideology holds that it's better that a local resource rot and lie idle for all eternity than that greedy capitalists get involved.

josip

coylemj wrote: »

+1 any sniff of a project that involves private money in partnership with the local authority and RBB and his disciples scream blue murder. Their ideology holds that it's better that a local resource rot and lie idle for all eternity than that greedy capitalists get involved.

How did Boyd Barrett vote regarding the new library?

qb123

I believe PBP were the only ones to vote against the library. I must say, while I can't stand their economic policies, they have my respect for both that vote and their stance on the baths - if not for the likes of them there'd be an awful apartment block on the site of the baths now. Regarding the DL harbour proposal, I think it'll be completely out of place. Pier is lovely to walk now, think it would be overdeveloped if this goes ahead.

ted1

qb123 wrote: »

I believe PBP were the only ones to vote against the library. I must say, while I can't stand their economic policies, they have my respect for both that vote and their stance on the baths - if not for the likes of them there'd be an awful apartment block on the site of the baths now. Regarding the DL harbour proposal, I think it'll be completely out of place. Pier is lovely to walk now, think it would be overdeveloped if this goes ahead.

You are had no the baths are better know than if they had of being developed? The harbour was built for use, footpaths are for walking and theirs plenty of them already

How would a temporary pool be called over develop?

qb123

I'm not exactly sure of the point you're trying to make below in your first sentence, but I think most people in and around DL would agree better as they are now than an apartment block being there.

The harbour was indeed built for use - as a harbour, which it still does pretty effectively, in particular for smaller boats. It's proximity to Dublin port obviously impacts its viability with commercial boats. The temporary pool and associated structures look quite an ugly to me, but open to hear other people's views on it.

And yes, footpaths are for walking and there's plenty of them, but few with views as spectacular which is why the pier is so popular.

ted1

I would rather have the baths redeveloped with apartments or what ever is needed for them to be viable than to have them as the junkie paradise they are now.

The associated temporary structures for the pool are low level single story and will be about as intrusive on the pier as the current food trucks. They will greatly add to the amenities and will bring buisness to the town.

If you like walks you still have the east pier or the south wall.

Cookie_Monster

The only possible objections being taken seriously I reckon would be from the navy or Irish lights who actually use that dock from time to time.
Where are they likely to lay up instead? IS the Carlisle pier in a usable state?

ted1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The only possible objections being taken seriously I reckon would be from the navy or Irish lights who actually use that dock from time to time.
Where are they likely to lay up instead? IS the Carlisle pier in a usable state?

Are you sure that it'll be fully out of commission? Didn't the use the Carlisle pier to unload the Guinness silos?

Edit : yes they did.
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=610838538932331&id=412834212066099&set=a.610838502265668.159237.412834212066099&source=43

Tabnabs

Irish Lights ship Granuaile is currently berthed at the Carlisle Pier and the Navy have berthed the LÉ Eithne at the Carlisle Pier recently, too. The cruise ships (Windstar type ship) also use the Carlisle Pier.

The last time I can remember a ship on he east pier is the Jeannie Johnston, about 5/6 years ago.

Gareth Keenan

Tabnabs wrote: »

Irish Lights ship Granuaile is currently berthed at the Carlisle Pier and the Navy have berthed the LÉ Eithne at the Carlisle Pier recently, too. The cruise ships (Windstar type ship) also use the Carlisle Pier.

The last time I can remember a ship on he east pier is the Jeannie Johnston, about 5/6 years ago.

Dublin Bay Cruises use(d) the East Pier as well.

Tabnabs

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

Dublin Bay Cruises use(d) the East Pier as well.

True! It'll make life awkward for them as they benefited from the high profile location.

Gareth Keenan

Tabnabs wrote: »

Plans for the Baths have also been objected to by ABP. It seems to have stalled at this stage:

Cllr Ossian Smyth posted that it's being held up in Dept of Environment/Office of Chief State Solicitor. I can't post links - Google his name and it's the opening post on his website.

An extract:

Dún Laoghaire Baths have been derelict and neglected for many years. Despite several proposals for this site, it remains locked up and untouched. You would be forgiven for thinking that the council had forgotten about the Baths but in fact the plans are approved and the finance is available.

Before the work can start, the council needs a foreshore licence from the Department of the Environment. It applied in November 2013 and one year later, there is no indication of when this licence will be granted.

There is also a question over the title to the site. The council has requested assistance from the Chief State Solicitor’s Office, but like the foreshore licence, there is no response yet. Neither of these bodies have any statutory limit on how long they take to process a request, so the project is left hanging. In October, councillors directed the Chief Executive of their council to write to these bodies stressing the importance of the project.

ted1

Tabnabs wrote: »

True! It'll make life awkward for them as they benefited from the high profile location.

It might make it easier for them, there may be a pontoon or the pool area may br at the top of the berth lacing the remainder free

Cookie_Monster

Tabnabs wrote: »

The last time I can remember a ship on he east pier is the Jeannie Johnston, about 5/6 years ago.

when were the satellite photos done? Library build in progress so last year or two?

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2945664,-6.1303127,264m/data=!3m1!1e3

Gareth Keenan

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

when were the satellite photos done? Library build in progress so last year or two?

in that satellite image the ship is docked at the Carlisle Pier, not the EP (have I missed a point?!).

Tabnabs

ted1 wrote: »

It might make it easier for them, there may be a pontoon or the pool area may br at the top of the berth lacing the remainder free

No, the whole berth is being utilised

ted1

Tabnabs wrote: »

No, the whole berth is being utilised

Just saw a video/ interview would some cgi images.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/take-a-trip-to-dún-laoghaire-s-urban-beach-1.2022898

Chinasea

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

Cllr Ossian Smyth posted that it's being held up in Dept of Environment/Office of Chief State Solicitor. I can't post links - Google his name and it's the opening post on his website.

An extract:

"Dún Laoghaire Baths have been derelict and neglected for many years. Despite several proposals for this site, it remains locked up and untouched. You would be forgiven for thinking that the council had forgotten about the Baths but in fact the plans are approved and the finance is available.

Before the work can start, the council needs a foreshore licence from the Department of the Environment. It applied in November 2013 and one year later, there is no indication of when this licence will be granted.
There is also a question over the title to the site. The council has requested assistance from the Chief State Solicitor’s Office, but like the foreshore licence, there is no response yet. Neither of these bodies have any statutory limit on how long they take to process a request, so the project is left hanging. In October, councillors directed the Chief Executive of their council to write to these bodies stressing the importance of the project."


OMG. I mean, seriously, am I living in a different country. They fe*k up a monstrosity (the library), whilst parts of the pier or a total no-go area unless you are a junkie, and yet there is this forensic nonsense, long fingering, jabbering about. Just get on and build the blo#dy thing, before Richie Boy Barrett gets wind of it.

Gareth Keenan

Chinasea wrote: »

OMG. I mean, seriously, am I living in a different country. They fe*k up a monstrosity (the library), whilst parts of the pier or a total no-go area unless you are a junkie, and yet there is this forensic nonsense, long fingering, jabbering about. Just get on and build the blo#dy thing, before Richie Boy Barrett gets wind of it.

couldn't agree more

Larbre34

Chinasea wrote: »

"Dún Laoghaire Baths have been derelict and neglected for many years. Despite several proposals for this site, it remains locked up and untouched. You would be forgiven for thinking that the council had forgotten about the Baths but in fact the plans are approved and the finance is available.

Before the work can start, the council needs a foreshore licence from the Department of the Environment. It applied in November 2013 and one year later, there is no indication of when this licence will be granted.
There is also a question over the title to the site. The council has requested assistance from the Chief State Solicitor’s Office, but like the foreshore licence, there is no response yet. Neither of these bodies have any statutory limit on how long they take to process a request, so the project is left hanging. In October, councillors directed the Chief Executive of their council to write to these bodies stressing the importance of the project."


OMG. I mean, seriously, am I living in a different country. They fe*k up a monstrosity (the library), whilst parts of the pier or a total no-go area unless you are a junkie, and yet there is this forensic nonsense, long fingering, jabbering about. Just get on and build the blo#dy thing, before Richie Boy Barrett gets wind of it.

Do you remember at all how much the last Planning Tribunal cost for just that sort of abuse of process? It was €300 million.

Planning takes the time it takes, the process is available to all. There is fast tracking for critical infrastructure, but a pool on a barge is anything but critical infrastructure.

ted1

Larbre34 wrote: »

Do you remember at all how much the last Planning Tribunal cost for just that sort of abuse of process? It was €300 million.

Planning takes the time it takes, the process is available to all. There is fast tracking for critical infrastructure, but a pool on a barge is anything but critical infrastructure.

He is referring to the baths not the urban beach.

Larbre34

ted1 wrote: »

He is referring to the baths not the urban beach.

Same goes for that then, not critical infrastructure.

Chinasea

Ah it's jusy poncin around. That's all we do in this country. Eternal procrastination. Shoulda woulda coulda. Forums and Joe Duffys galore, nut nothing changes.
How long will the old council bin yard and buildings sit idle and rotting. How long more too will the old CBC school sit empty in a shambolic state.

Larbre34

Make a sentence out of; collapse, bankruptcy, NAMA, credit crunch, sentiment.

Those sites will move along in time. Meanwhile the completion of apartments at Georges Street and Georges Place show things are turning slowly in the right direction. No need to bother Joe Duffy just yet...

Chinasea

Larbre34 wrote: »

Make a sentence out of; collapse, bankruptcy, NAMA, credit crunch, sentiment.

Those sites will move along in time..

Nah, the procrastination has been going on since the year dot.

Dun Laoghaire baths, the seat-less park benches along the sea-front, CBC school, Sallyglen Road, the harbour (where the boats used to come in), 3M building, and many many more, have all sat idle though the height of several boom times.

Cookie_Monster

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

in that satellite image the ship is docked at the Carlisle Pier, not the EP (have I missed a point?!).

yes, you've missed the ship docked at the East Pier. The fair ground is on the Carlisle pier.

galwayjohn89

First time in Dun Laoghaire main Street in a good while. Is really gone to the dumps. Junkies look harmless but are every where. Sea front is lovely, unfortunately can't say the same about the rest

josip

Vuzuggu wrote: »

First time in Dun Laoghaire main Street in a good while. Is really gone to the dumps. Junkies look harmless but are every where. Sea front is lovely, unfortunately can't say the same about the rest

You might be a bit harsh. There are a lot of people in Dun Laoghaire who look like junkies or ex junkies but aren't necessarily. The town has that effect on a lot of us.

I think the cleverest thing the Council did was to split the town into two parts. The Council focuses on the touristy pretty part, up as far as the Royal Marine entrance. In their wisdom they've abandoned the commerical part of the town further up to the BID who (how can I say this nicely) are sufficently optimistic to think that they can turn around the fortunes of that part of the town without resorting to nuclear fission/fusion.

Larbre34

Vuzuggu wrote: »

Junkies look harmless but are every where.

Not to older and vulnerable people they don't.

ted1

Larbre34 wrote: »

Not to older and vulnerable people they don't.

Don't forget that discarded syringes are dangerous as a junkies who need cash to get their next fix

Tabnabs

ted1 wrote: »

Don't forget that discarded syringes are dangerous as a junkies who need cash to get their next fix

As a regular patron in DL town, I've yet to see any discarded syringes and the junkies are in the absolute minority. I see as many Gards as I do junkies on my daily stroll...

Paulownia

Dunlaoghaire has the strangest roundabouts and road widening schemes of anywhere. Take a trip down Pottery road which they have been widening for months. Having said it needed widening, it was a disgrace, not they have installed a bicycle lane you could land a jumbo jet on. There is a new roundabout on Grove Avenue which is a torture to navigate when travelling towards Merrion Avenue.
There is a rumour that the man who designs these things is a cyclist who does not drive a car, makes sense to me!

schemingbohemia

Paulownia wrote: »

Dunlaoghaire has the strangest roundabouts and road widening schemes of anywhere. Take a trip down Pottery road which they have been widening for months. Having said it needed widening, it was a disgrace, not they have installed a bicycle lane you could land a jumbo jet on. There is a new roundabout on Grove Avenue which is a torture to navigate when travelling towards Merrion Avenue.
There is a rumour that the man who designs these things is a cyclist who does not drive a car, makes sense to me!

Perhaps they're just following the cycle manual which they are advised to do.

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/publications/cycle-manual/

Fratton Fred

Paulownia wrote: »

Dunlaoghaire has the strangest roundabouts and road widening schemes of anywhere. Take a trip down Pottery road which they have been widening for months. Having said it needed widening, it was a disgrace, not they have installed a bicycle lane you could land a jumbo jet on. There is a new roundabout on Grove Avenue which is a torture to navigate when travelling towards Merrion Avenue.
There is a rumour that the man who designs these things is a cyclist who does not drive a car, makes sense to me!

I'm pretty sure Amgen are footing the bill for pottery road, as a sweetener for rezoning the land around the hospital and The old football pitch.