LOI 2014 Thread

major bill · 31-07-2014 02:41PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Sheff Utd are league 1 debatable if they are step up.

Sk brann offered 100k for Fagan according to the sun.

League one is a far better League than the LOI.

League 2 at a push, Conference would be our level,

He would be on better money for starters, training in better facilities and playing in better grounds against better players.

Sad but true

gimmick · 31-07-2014 03:10PM

major bill wrote: »

League one is a far better League than the LOI.

League 2 at a push, Conference would be our level,

He would be on better money for starters, training in better facilities and playing in better grounds against better players.

Sad but true

The better teams in LOI would be challenging in or about the play offs in League 1. The likes of Athlone/UCD/Bray would probably be conference level alright.

If CCFC were in England with the current squad I would put them as abottom half LOI side.

Pighead · 31-07-2014 03:13PM

major bill wrote: »

League one is a far better League than the LOI.

League 2 at a push, Conference would be our level,

He would be on better money for starters, training in better facilities and playing in better grounds against better players.

Sad but true

Doubt Dover Athletic or Altrincham could have gone to Hajduk Split, Rosenberg or Warsaw and gave them a decent game. I'd definitely say the top half of our league is on a par with league one. Went to MK Dons V Drogheda a couple of weeks ago and there wasn't much of a difference between the sides with regards to strength or physicality (a game which Drogheda won actually)

djpbarry · 31-07-2014 03:20PM

major bill wrote: »

Conference would be our level,

You really think conference sides would be in any way competitive in Europe?

major bill · 31-07-2014 03:27PM

Pighead wrote: »

Doubt Dover Athletic or Altrincham could have gone to Hajduk Split, Rosenberg or Warsaw and gave them a decent game. I'd definitely say the top half of our league is on a par with league one. Went to MK Dons V Drogheda a couple of weeks ago and there wasn't much of a difference between the sides with regards to strength or physicality (a game which Drogheda won actually)

Friendlies mean f-all Bohs beat a full strength Spurs squad in 03 yet got thumped in Europe that same year, play those teams in a competitive game each week and you will see the difference.

The European argument is quite poor too, Lower league teams hold their own in the FA Cup. all our teams are out of Europe and it ain't even August yet.

A few years back the argument was there for League 1 top half, not anymore.

major bill · 31-07-2014 03:31PM

djpbarry wrote: »

You really think conference sides would be in any way competitive in Europe?

You seem to think LOI teams are? Dundalk lost 2-0 at home and had a decent game (1 GAME) against the croats, you really think Dundalk would put a dent in the Croatian league as a result? do you honestly think Sligo, UCD, Bohs, Cork, Limerick, Bray, Derry, drogheda, Athlone are all better than the conference?

Charliebull · 31-07-2014 03:35PM

did i just read that cork took gaynor off us

sweet jayus there is a god:D

Good Bye Joe and thanks for everything:(

gimmick · 31-07-2014 03:37PM

major bill wrote: »

You seem to think LOI teams are? Dundalk lost 2-0 at home and had a decent game (1 GAME) against the croats, you really think Dundalk would put a dent in the Croatian league as a result? do you honestly think Sligo, UCD, Bohs, Cork, Limerick, Bray, Derry, drogheda, Athlone are all better than the conference?

Read my last post.

Charliebull · 31-07-2014 03:38PM

major bill wrote: »

You seem to think LOI teams are? Dundalk lost 2-0 at home and had a decent game (1 GAME) against the croats, you really think Dundalk would put a dent in the Croatian league as a result? do you honestly think Sligo, UCD, Bohs, Cork, Limerick, Bray, Derry, drogheda, Athlone are all better than the conference?

you really think Sligo and Cork are that bad, considering Sligo are one of the most successful clubs over the last few years and Cork are challenging for the league this year

Pighead · 31-07-2014 03:55PM

major bill wrote: »

Friendlies mean f-all Bohs beat a full strength Spurs squad in 03 yet got thumped in Europe that same year, play those teams in a competitive game each week and you will see the difference.

The European argument is quite poor too, Lower league teams hold their own in the FA Cup. all our teams are out of Europe and it ain't even August yet.

A few years back the argument was there for League 1 top half, not anymore.

You are seriously underestimating the quality in the top half of the league of Ireland. A league of Ireland select 11 would be streets ahead of a conference best 11. To say players like The Brennan's, Fahey, McClean, Shields, Towell, N'Do, Forrester, Bermingham, Boyle etc are no better than conference level is way off the mark. Those players could easily handle league one.

major bill · 31-07-2014 04:10PM

Pighead wrote: »

You are seriously underestimating the quality in the top half of the league of Ireland. A league of Ireland select 11 would be streets ahead of a conference best 11. To say players like The Brennan's, Fahey, McClean, Shields, Towell, N'Do, Forrester, Bermingham, Boyle etc are no better than conference level is way off the mark. Those players could easily handle league one.

What you mentioned there is not top half but 2 teams mostly who I would agree and have said elsewhere those 2 teams would hold their own in the top half of league 2 bottom half of League 1. You will also find Fahey is streets ahead of his St Pats team mates as shown in the Legia game. Every single club in the English league system is Professional. Every team in the football BSP is Professional and the ones that ain't go straight back down. I ain't underestimating the strength of our top half people here are underestimating the strength of the English Pyramid system.

djpbarry · 31-07-2014 04:11PM

major bill wrote: »

The European argument is quite poor too, Lower league teams hold their own in the FA Cup.

Not really. There were only three non-league teams in the 2013-2014 FA Cup third round – Grimsby and Macclesfield went out to Championship sides, while Kidderminster beat Peterborough, eventually going out to Sunderland in the fourth round.

major bill wrote: »

Dundalk lost 2-0 at home and had a decent game (1 GAME) against the croats…

Dundalk played pretty well at home to Split too.

major bill wrote: »

…you really think Dundalk would put a dent in the Croatian league as a result?

You really think a Conference side would have run Split as close?

major bill wrote: »

…do you honestly think Sligo, UCD, Bohs, Cork, Limerick, Bray, Derry, drogheda, Athlone are all better than the conference?

By a country mile. You are seriously overestimating the standard of football played in the Conference – I would put it on a par with the Welsh Premier.

Pighead · 31-07-2014 04:19PM

major bill wrote: »

What you mentioned there is not top half but 2 teams mostly who I would agree and have said elsewhere those 2 teams would hold their own in the top half of league 2 bottom half of League 1. You will also find Fahey is streets ahead of his St Pats team mates as shown in the Legia game.

I could have named 50 players that are too good for the conference. And your Fahey point shows you don't follow the league very closely. He has been pretty average for Pats this season and has been nowhere near their best player.

major bill · 31-07-2014 04:27PM

djpbarry wrote: »

Not really. There were only three non-league teams in the 2013-2014 FA Cup third round – Grimsby and Macclesfield went out to Championship sides, while Kidderminster beat Peterborough, eventually going out to Sunderland in the fourth round.
Dundalk played pretty well at home to Split too.
You really think a Conference side would have run Split as close?
By a country mile. You are seriously overestimating the standard of football played in the Conference – I would put it on a par with the Welsh Premier.

This is turning into a silly debate (My fault) but would any of Athlone, Bohs, Drogheda, UCD,Bray, and Limerick with their current squad win promotion from the Conference in your honest opinion?

Welsh League is nowhere near Conference level

Gavin "shels" · 31-07-2014 04:32PM

Pinturicchio wrote: »

Shels fans, how many are ye bringing to Galway on Friday?

Won't be anywhere near the vocal 300 odd we brought last time, I'd say you're talking around half of that, poxy BoM!

djpbarry · 31-07-2014 04:35PM

major bill wrote: »

You will also find Fahey is streets ahead of his St Pats team mates as shown in the Legia game.

He really isn't. He showed his experience against Legia, but he's often been overshadowed by his team-mates this year.

major bill wrote: »

Every team in the football BSP is Professional....

No they're not?

djpbarry · 31-07-2014 04:38PM

major bill wrote: »

This is turning into a silly debate (My fault) but would any of Athlone, Bohs, Drogheda, UCD,Bray, and Limerick with their current squad win promotion from the Conference in your honest opinion?

Yes. Without question.

major bill wrote: »

Welsh League is nowhere near Conference level

Ok, let’s turn this around – where would you place the conference on the following table:
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2015.html

dreamers75 · 31-07-2014 04:41PM

Lee Lynch released by Pats ( i liked him like a mini version of John Russell)

Aaron Green in( win league sign Greene 6 months later we just following trends now)

Iang87 · 31-07-2014 05:10PM

would like to see limerick pick up lee lynch now. He can sleep in my spare room if he wants

Pinturicchio · 31-07-2014 05:12PM

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Won't be anywhere near the vocal 300 odd we brought last time, I'd say you're talking around half of that, poxy BoM!

There's a bit of controversy down here between the guards, the club and the fans about where to put ye. The singing section have moved to where ye were last time. They don't want to move but the guards want ye there again.

It's hard to know what kind of a home crowd will turn up, given all the race week distractions.

dreamers75 · 31-07-2014 05:21PM

Iang87 wrote: »

would like to see limerick pick up lee lynch now. He can sleep in my spare room if he wants

Going to happen afaik, smashing player tbh.

kksaints · 31-07-2014 05:29PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Lee Lynch released by Pats ( i liked him like a mini version of John Russell)

Aaron Green in( win league sign Greene 6 months later we just following trends now)

Bucko must be going to move Forrester into the midfield from the left wing soon and play Greene on the left. Slightly disappointing to lose Lynch he was quite good when he played I thought.

dfx- · 31-07-2014 06:26PM

djpbarry wrote: »

Quality, quality player. Has finally discovered a goalscoring touch this season, so not surprised there’s significant interest from abroad. He’ll be badly missed if he goes.

What have Pats left upfront if he left...Quigley or Kavanagh?:eek:

djpbarry · 31-07-2014 06:29PM

dfx- wrote: »

What have Pats left upfront if he left...Quigley or Kavanagh?:eek:

Let's not forget Bucko.

UnleashTheBeast · 31-07-2014 08:00PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Won't be anywhere near the vocal 300 odd we brought last time, I'd say you're talking around half of that, poxy BoM!

Shels brought a great crowd to Galway earlier in the season but catch a grip of yourself please. There was nowhere near 300 Shelbourne fans there.

If you bring around 150 tomorrow (which was similar to your crowd last time) fair play, that's a great crowd by First Division standards.

Strangely, the club is persisting with putting Shels fans in the New Stand for "health and safety" reasons. Ridiculous to be moving home fans out of the stand to accommodate away fans just because they can jump the wall if they score on the far side. So what.

Charliebull · 31-07-2014 08:05PM

kksaints wrote: »

Bucko must be going to move Forrester into the midfield from the left wing soon and play Greene on the left. Slightly disappointing to lose Lynch he was quite good when he played I thought.

I hope Greene tries harder for ye than he did for us, smashing player when on his game but he is rarely on it,

Good riddance

Pinturicchio · 31-07-2014 09:28PM

UnleashTheBeast wrote: »

Strangely, the club is persisting with putting Shels fans in the New Stand for "health and safety" reasons. Ridiculous to be moving home fans out of the stand to accommodate away fans just because they can jump the wall if they score on the far side. So what.

It's a hefty fine (for the home club) per person if fans get onto the pitch.

If the singing section do have to move, it'll be to the opposite end of the new stand.

blingrhino · 31-07-2014 09:40PM

Should be a full house in cork tomorrow night ( dundalk )
Can't see cork getting anything although its a must win for them .

dreamers75 · 31-07-2014 10:31PM

Did sligo really sign Zayed or is a windup?

Gavin "shels" · 31-07-2014 10:32PM

UnleashTheBeast wrote: »

Shels brought a great crowd to Galway earlier in the season but catch a grip of yourself please. There was nowhere near 300 Shelbourne fans there.

If you bring around 150 tomorrow (which was similar to your crowd last time) fair play, that's a great crowd by First Division standards.

Strangely, the club is persisting with putting Shels fans in the New Stand for "health and safety" reasons. Ridiculous to be moving home fans out of the stand to accommodate away fans just because they can jump the wall if they score on the far side. So what.

Was more than 150 last time, 100%, maybe 300 was stretching it but it was 200+. Two 50 seaters down iirc, 20 of us on the train, good load drove down I knew of too and add in the rest I don't know.

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