Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

wazky · 30-07-2014 10:41PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yawn.

All this digging making you a little tired?

Fratton Fred · 30-07-2014 10:51PM

wazky wrote: »

All this digging making you a little tired?

Oh stop trying to play the anti Irish card. You were talking crap and now you're trying to cry racism, effectively.

Fratton Fred · 30-07-2014 10:51PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sounds like something Britain would get more out of than Ireland to be fair, and there's no guarantee Dublin would ever be chosen to host. We don't really have an atheltics stadium for a start.

What would Britain get out of it?

wazky · 30-07-2014 10:56PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh stop trying to play the anti Irish card. You were talking crap and now you're trying to cry racism, effectively.

Oh you got me Fred, you lil' rascal.

Strazdas · 30-07-2014 11:00PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

It is the same.

Implying people are "provos" for displaying common sense is so last year.

Do you think many Irish nationalists or republicans would be in favour of the Republic rejoining the Commonwealth? I suspect that is where the strongest opposition to such a move would come from.

wazky · 30-07-2014 11:03PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Do you think many Irish nationalists or republicans would be in favour of the Republic rejoining the Commonwealth? I suspect that is where the strongest opposition to such a move would come from.

How did you make this assumption?, can normal people not have opinion without being tagged with some "anti British" label?

It doesn't make any sense for Ireland for join the commonwealth, the posters in favour of it here can't even come up with a good reason to.

It's nothing to do with the mad Ra heads, its just basic logic and common sense.

Strazdas · 30-07-2014 11:18PM

wazky wrote: »

How did you make this assumption?, can normal people not have opinion without being tagged with some "anti British" label?

It doesn't make any sense for Ireland for join the commonwealth, the posters in favour of it here can't even come up with a good reason to.

It's nothing to do with the mad Ra heads, its just basic logic and common sense.

Well there have been opinion polls on the subject of Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth in recent years and if I remember correctly something like 25% of Irish people were in favour and less than 50% were against (with the rest 'don't knows'). I bet if you were to do an opinion poll of Irish people who describe themselves as nationalists or republicans, the percentages would be overwhelmingly against.

TGJD · 30-07-2014 11:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Well there have been opinion polls on the subject of Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth in recent years and if I remember correctly something like 25% of Irish people were in favour and less than 50% were against (with the rest 'don't knows'). I bet if you were to do an opinion poll of Irish people who describe themselves as nationalists or republicans, the percentages would be overwhelmingly against.

What is your point exactly? It seems you have deduced that republicans would vote against rejoining the commonwealth thus anyone who would vote against must be a republican. That is ridiculous and I doubt you even really believe what you are saying. You have not provided a single reasonable logical reason to join the commonwealth.

I think at this stage we all need to agree to disagree. Has anyone's opinion changed since the thread began? This is just going around in circles and the arguments are becoming ridiculous. I don't get what anyone hopes to acheive here.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-07-2014 11:44PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What would Britain get out of it?

Fair point, but from your posts it sounds like something you'd like to see more than the rest of us.

Strazdas wrote: »

Well there have been opinion polls on the subject of Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth in recent years and if I remember correctly something like 25% of Irish people were in favour and less than 50% were against (with the rest 'don't knows'). I bet if you were to do an opinion poll of Irish people who describe themselves as nationalists or republicans, the percentages would be overwhelmingly against.

So, netither camp in a two horse race can muster more than 50% and a sizeable chunk don't really care. Tells you all you need to know, really.

(Actally sounds a bit like a general election...)

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 11:51PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Do you think many Irish nationalists or republicans would be in favour of the Republic rejoining the Commonwealth? I suspect that is where the strongest opposition to such a move would come from.

Strazdas, what the hell are you talking about?

I was pointing out how you appeared to paint me and others as the "Irish nationalists or republicans".

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 11:55PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Well there have been opinion polls on the subject of Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth in recent years and if I remember correctly something like 25% of Irish people were in favour and less than 50% were against (with the rest 'don't knows'). I bet if you were to do an opinion poll of Irish people who describe themselves as nationalists or republicans, the percentages would be overwhelmingly against.

Really?

(And it would joining the commonwealth.

As we left the British commonwealth, as it was then called.
Apparently, that's a big difference.)

An Claidheamh · 30-07-2014 11:56PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fair point, but from your posts it sounds like something you'd like to see more than the rest of us.

So, netither camp in a two horse race can muster more than 50% and a sizeable chunk don't really care. Tells you all you need to know, really.

(Actally sounds a bit like a general election...)

Sounds a bit made up.

Karl Stein · 30-07-2014 11:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect that is where the strongest opposition to such a move would come from.

So?

Strazdas · 31-07-2014 12:00AM

TGJD wrote: »

What is your point exactly? It seems you have deduced that republicans would vote against rejoining the commonwealth thus anyone who would vote against must be a republican. That is ridiculous and I doubt you even really believe what you are saying. You have not provided a single reasonable logical reason to join the commonwealth.

I think at this stage we all need to agree to disagree. Has anyone's opinion changed since the thread began? This is just going around in circles and the arguments are becoming ridiculous. I don't get what anyone hopes to acheive here.

I'm guessing the general population aren't too bothered about the subject and wouldn't even be too pushed if Enda Kenny announced tomorrow morning that we were applying for membership. You would agree with this?

However I imagine Irish nationalists and republicans would have a big problem with it and would be very vocal and strident in their opposition.

mikeyjames9 · 31-07-2014 12:01AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The UK has nothing over anybody. It is a free association. The monarch is the symbolic head, but the real control is with the commonwealth heads of government chairman and the Secretary General, neither of whom are currently British.

it's an extension of empire

they should be renamed the UNCLE TOM games

the commonwealth games are an opportune time for the british to apologize to these people for raping and plundering and paedophiling them through the ages

the royal family should be the first on the platform apologizing

do they even attend the games or do they conveniently lay low

An Claidheamh · 31-07-2014 12:03AM

wazky wrote: »

Oh Fred, put the shovel down.

Any excuse.

Strazdas · 31-07-2014 12:08AM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Really?

(And it would joining the commonwealth.

As we left the British commonwealth, as it was then called.
Apparently, that's a big difference.)

Here's one from 2011 :

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-the-republic-join-the-commonwealth-in-exchange-for-a-united-ireland-251770-Oct2011/

31% in favour of joining and 45% against

Strazdas · 31-07-2014 12:11AM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Strazdas, what the hell are you talking about?

I was pointing out how you appeared to paint me and others as the "Irish nationalists or republicans".

Of course there are plenty of Irish people who would be opposed to joining the Commonwealth who are neither nationalist nor republican and who could put forward perfectly valid reasons not to do so.

wazky · 31-07-2014 12:11AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Here's one from 2011 :

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-the-republic-join-the-commonwealth-in-exchange-for-a-united-ireland-251770-Oct2011/

31% in favour of joining and 45% against

You left out a major part of that survey in your comments, an exchange would take place that Ireland would join the commonwealth in return for a united Ireland.

An Claidheamh · 31-07-2014 12:25AM

wazky wrote: »

You left out a major part of that survey in your comments, an exchange would take place that Ireland would join the commonwealth in return for a united Ireland.

Would Britain really be so pathetic as to insist on a quid pro quo like that?

It would certainly prove that the commonwealth exists as an institution to hang on to lost possessions.

If Ireland was finally unified the last people thing would want would be more of Britain in Irish affairs!

Anyway, the GFA means a democratic vote determines NI.

You'd have thought Gay Mitchell would know that, but then again ... he is Gay Mitchell.

steddyeddy · 31-07-2014 01:02AM

Maybe the Island of Jersey should have a sports presence in Germany as they used to be run by them.

Fratton Fred · 31-07-2014 01:12AM

mikeyjames9 wrote: »

it's an extension of empire

they should be renamed the UNCLE TOM games

the commonwealth games are an opportune time for the british to apologize to these people for raping and plundering and paedophiling them through the ages

the royal family should be the first on the platform apologizing

do they even attend the games or do they conveniently lay low

That was clever, did you think that up all by yourself?

steddyeddy · 31-07-2014 01:13AM

In fairness Fred it's a thread asking why a country not in the common wealth aren't in the common wealth games. We're not going to get much genius encoded on these pages.

the_syco · 31-07-2014 01:14AM

Is Germany in the commonwealth games? If memory serves me correctly, they also bombed england... :pac:

Sound of Silence · 31-07-2014 01:29AM

I love that Ireland can only ever be considered mature and grown-up the closer it aligns itself with Britain - The apparent barometer for respectability.

If it's not the Commonwealth Games, it would be the annual Poppy Appeal. Either way, the Irish people are expected to immediately jump to their feet and match the enthusiasm of the British public for patently British institutions, lest we wish to be considered bitter and backward. It really boggles the mind that posters here would think that one Nation of two apparent equals should somehow hold the yardstick for what's respectable.

I honestly can't fathom the level of hubris it would take for British posters here to equate a Nations clear lack of interest in the Commonwealth games with an apparent bitterness and lack of maturity. Ireland in an independent Nation which democratically elected to leave the Commonwealth over sixty years ago. That decision should be respected, not ridiculed as the actions of a "Drunken Politician" as LordSutch argued.

If anything, this thread is good entertainment.

getzls · 31-07-2014 01:34AM

mikeyjames9 wrote: »

it's an extension of empire

they should be renamed the UNCLE TOM games

the commonwealth games are an opportune time for the british to apologize to these people for raping and plundering and paedophiling them through the ages

the royal family should be the first on the platform apologizing

do they even attend the games or do they conveniently lay low

Oh what a utter ****e post!

fryup · 02-08-2014 10:25AM

diomed wrote: »

We have GAA, the greatest sports ever.

that insular parochial muck :rolleyes:

you gotta be kiddin

02-08-2014 10:34AM

fryup wrote: »

that insular parochial muck :rolleyes:

you gotta be kiddin

I'm guessing you're the type that secretly wishes you'd been born English or Australian.

fryup · 02-08-2014 10:36AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no, Brazilian

02-08-2014 10:40AM

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no, Brazilian

Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

Everybody else in the family is at the Commonwealth Games, so why aren't we?

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