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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,543 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    He worked it out using some non-obvious Maxwells equations way so didn't cop the explanation; that light is an EM wave. Also was a bit in shock hearing that come out of a doctor of science's mouth.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    in the Phillipines, the church is thrilled that any members who practice medicine can refuse to hand out contraceptives:

    http://www.rappler.com/nation/62974-philippines-catholic-bishops-medics-birth-control
    Rappler wrote:
    MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – The Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) said Catholic medical workers can refuse to implement provisions of the newly-approved Reproductive Health (RH) law, as the Supreme Court upheld the rights of “conscientious objectors.” The CBCP corrected a report by Agence France-Presse on Thursday, July 10, that said the CBCP “is encouraging members who are medical workers to refuse to implement a newly-approved birth control law.”

    “What the CBCP brought to the attention of Catholic health care professionals are their rights as enunciated by the Supreme Court when it passed upon the law, particularly the rights of conscientious objectors,” CBCP president Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas said Friday, July 11. “The CBCP will always urge Catholics to obey all just laws but in all things to abide by the prompting of a well-formed conscience,” Villegas said. It is the latest move by the powerful church hierarchy in the largely Catholic Philippines against the reproductive health law that was declared constitutional in April.

    The law compels the state for the first time to provide free condoms and contraceptive pills. (READ: Without RH law, contraceptives will run out in Payatas) A "pastoral guidance" issued by bishops this week explains how government health workers can legally refuse to dish out contraceptives on ethical or religious grounds, Marvin Mejia, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, told Agence France-Presse.

    "Obviously, Catholics should not, on moral grounds, seek employment in the very government agencies that promote artificial contraception," reads the guidance. (READ: Next in RH battle: Full implementation by DOH, LGUs) "But if circumstances compelled them to be employed in such agencies...said Catholics should be aware that they cannot be forced to promote, distribute or dispense artificial contraceptives against their religious or moral conviction."

    The CBCP pointed out, however, that “the accommodation granted the conscientious objector... does not extend to emergency cases, as when the mother's life is in danger.” “When a patient, for example, is rushed to the emergency room who has, with the help of a backstreet abortionist, commenced the abortion procedure that is botched, although the fetus has already been destroyed, with the result that she is bleeding profusely, the health-care providers cannot refuse intervention or treatment on the ground of conscientious objection but must take all steps necessary to save the life of the mother,” the bishops' conference said. “This exception is based on natural law, which calls for the preservation of human life,” it added.

    The Church is an influential force in the Philippines, which counts around 80% of its 100 million-strong population as Catholics. Abortion and divorce remain banned in the nation. The deeply controversial birth control law was finally approved by the Supreme Court last April 8, ending a 15-year campaign by the Church to stop state-sanctioned family planning coming into force. It also mandates that sex education be taught in schools. However, the law allows for moral or religious objections.

    Conscientious objectors are required to immediately refer patients to another service willing to supply information or birth control, but the church disputes this. Father Mejia said bishops are set to organize seminars in their dioceses to inform government health workers of the law's provisions. "The Church recognizes that it is already a law...but it's very important for people to know their rights," Mejia added.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    If the pubs close will I be expected to work good Friday? I'd rather the free day off to be honest

    This is something that has bothered me for the past few years. Where I work, the business closes on Xmas and Easter Sunday (nothing I can do about that), but for Good Friday, we're given a paid day off later in the year if we happen to be scheduled for it. I've never felt like I could justify being given that day, since I'm atheist. Good Friday is just another Friday to me, there's nothing special about it, therefore I don't feel as if I have to be compensated for it.
    I understand the practical argument - just take the paid day, but there is a part of me that really wants to take it to management about not being given that day. Any thoughts, guys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've no choice in the matter as my workplace is closed on 'good' Friday. And do I feel the slightest shred of guilt about that - hell no - not while Ireland remains one of the countries in Europe with the least number of public holidays.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    We're open on a friday but town is usually dead so we go home early due to lack of custom. I'd imagine the same would be true if we tried opening on xmas or stephens' day, or sundays for that matter.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Religious leaders in Saudi Arabia threaten to pray that Adel Fakeih, the Labour Minister, dies from cancer, unless he blocks women from working in lingerie shops.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/26/257217.html

    The solution, it seems, might come from Russia - just ban lingerie.
    Al Arabiya wrote:
    A group of religious figures in Saudi Arabia have threatened to strike the labor minister who seeks to create jobs for women with “deadly prayers.” They threatened to pray that he gets cancer like his predecessor Ghazi al-Gosaibi, who died of the disease in 2010.

    During a meeting at the labor ministry on Tuesday, about 200 religious figures accused Minister Adel Fakeih of executing a “Westernization” plan and asked him to ban women from working in lingerie shops within a month or he will face their dangerous prayers.

    The ministry began in 2011 enforcing a decision to replace salesmen with Saudi women at lingerie shops in a bid to create jobs for women and meet the demands of female customers embarrassed to buy lingerie from salesman.

    During the meeting, various religious figures successively attacked the minister and gave him little time to explain his decision and its benefit for the Saudi economy and for Saudi women.

    One religious man told the minister, “I supplicated against a senior official at the ministry and he received the (cancer) disease and he died; this was because he began implementing the feminization decision,” according to al-Eqtisadiah newspaper. The man reportedly referred to previous Labor Minister Gosaibi.

    Another religious figure told the minister that the government’s job is to employ women and not to decide where they should be employed.
    Addressing the minister, another man said, “I am warning you, do not ignite sedition; we only came here to provide advice; your ministry has thrown our daughters in places that don’t suit their values.”

    After a wave of attacks the minister finally snatched an opportunity to respond to the bearded men in front of him. He defended the decision to employ women, saying that women occupied jobs during the era of the Prophet Muhammad, adding that it made more sense if women rather than men are in charge of selling women’s lingerie.

    The minister further told the congregation that they should take their case to court if they saw that his ministry is violating the law.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-priests-and-nuns-are-now-facing-extinction-30434849.html
    Data from an annual Vatican Library publication reveals that the number of ordained and professed people in the Catholic Church in Ireland has declined over the past decade.

    The number of diocesan priests has fallen by 13pc from 3,203 in 2002 to 2,800 in 2012.

    During the same period there was a drop from 2,159 to 1,888 priests who were with orders or congregations.

    "We're facing extinction," said Fr Brendan Hoban, part of the leadership team at the Association of Catholic Priests.

    "If the church hasn't priests the church can't survive."

    Compiled from the Statistical Yearbook of the Church, the figures also reveal the number of women in the Irish church has declined dramatically too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Id say married priests is an inevitability now (not a hope of letting some stupid woman do it *spits*), it will be interesting to see them spin that, were they wrong all along or did god change his mind? Wonder if thats why the PR people told them they had to replace nasty old hitler youth pope with this friendlier model?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    robindch wrote: »
    ..unless he blocks women from working in lingerie shops.
    Seems like an ideal job for the gay men of Saudi! They can handle the lingerie without becoming titillated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Can't help but think of this

    extreme_team_le.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    robindch wrote: »

    Fr. Hoban wrote:
    "We're facing extinction," said Fr Brendan Hoban, part of the leadership team at the Association of Catholic Priests.

    "If the church hasn't priests the church can't survive."

    I know this is kind of evil but:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    robindch wrote: »

    The article also points out...
    [The] figures also reveal the number of women in the Irish church has declined dramatically too.

    Umm... i wonder what could have brought that on...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    how about the hazards of unbelief? :eek:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Aenaes


    Muslims in China afraid to fast during Ramadan: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-28263496


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Aenaes wrote: »
    Muslims in China afraid to fast during Ramadan: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-28263496

    What happen's when you go up against a state religion in a repressive state.

    And if anyone thinks that China doesn't have a state religion, you should really have a look of the meld of Mao worship and confuscianism they've going on there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    African missions to Ireland

    Don't know how well that'd go down. The people who still attend church in this country tend to be a conservative lot, not sure how they'll take to it.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Don't know how well that'd go down. The people who still attend church in this country tend to be a conservative lot, not sure how they'll take to it.

    They won't like it one bit,
    I was in a church once where a missionary was visiting and he was telling stories about Africa... To be fair they were interesting stories.

    Still didn't stop around 10 people walking out soon after he took the altar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Cabaal wrote: »
    They won't like it one bit,
    I was in a church once where a missionary was visiting and he was telling stories about Africa... To be fair they were interesting stories.

    Still didn't stop around 10 people walking out soon after he took the altar.


    But how many people didn't walk out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Several billion because they weren't in the church to begin with.

    *Joe Duffy laugh*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,915 ✭✭✭✭Eeden


    Kids from religious backgrounds find it harder to separate fact from fiction
    Results from a study published in the latest issue of Cognitive Science suggest that 5- and 6-year-old kids from religious backgrounds judge fact from fiction differently than those with non-religious upbringings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Nasty shower of scumbags

    "Christians were fleeing Iraq's jihadist-held city of Mosul en masse after mosques relayed an ultimatum giving them a few hours to leave.
    Messages telling Christians to leave the city by today were blared through loudspeakers from the city's mosques yesterday.
    The Islamist State jihadist group took over the city last month.
    A statement was issued saying Mosul's Christians should convert, pay a special tax, leave or face death."
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0719/631783-iraq/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Eeden wrote: »
    Their religious leaders must be pleased indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭AstraMonti




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan



    You know what, if I were one of his work colleagues I'd sue for €71,000 on the basis that listening to his constant bull**** made my life a living hell.

    And frankly proselytising to all and sundry when you're doing your job should be a sackable offence.

    Oh and the equality officer is a ****ing idiot, who is incapable of carrying out her duties in a manner befitting the graivitas and importance of her role:
    She said the ban placed on him from sharing his faith between 9am and 5pm impacted disproportionately on people of his religious faith.

    So freedom of religion is the freedom to impose your religion on others in a public setting now?

    [Mod: Brian asked me to edit this post because his edit window for this particular post had expired. He'd like to apologise to anyone who may have offended by his choice of wording. ]


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    As I understand it, it's possible to appeal an Equality Tribunal finding to the Circuit Court. I really, really hope TCC do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    As I understand it, it's possible to appeal an Equality Tribunal finding to the Circuit Court. I really, really hope TCC do so.


    It is essential they appeal it, unlikely though. Some precedent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-i-went-being-southern-baptist-preachers-daughter-open-atheist?page=0%2C6

    The daughter of a Baptist minister talks about her journey to atheism, and about her attempted suicide at the age of 11; not because she was depressed but because she wanted to go to heaven.


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