Malaysia Airlines plane shot down in Ukraine near Russian border[Mod warning post#193

fr336 · 17-07-2014 7:25pm

It's sad that if ATC and the airlines had simply done the most stupidly obvious thing imaginable - not flying commercial or even any other aircraft over a POTENTIALLY dubious area at times or unrest - this would never have happened.

I was listening to the TV and British Airways have a flight that goes straight over there. Can you imagine if it had to be a BA..not saying Malaysian aren't important, but the West collectively would have had a fit.

God we're a stupid species sometimes.

pfurey101 · 17-07-2014 7:27pm

WTF was it doing in volatile airspace!

Dublin Red Devil · 17-07-2014 7:27pm

keno-daytrader wrote: »

11:04 (UA) Malaysia passenger aircraft has crashed near the Russia border with Ukraine; flight was from Amsterdamn to Kuala Lumpur - Russia press

11:04 (UA) Malaysia passenger aircraft (Boeing 777) has crashed (other reports indicate it was 'shot down') near the Russia border with Ukraine; flight was from Amsterdamn to Kuala Lumpur - Russia press - Said to have been carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew members. - Said to have disappeared from radar while traveling at 30K feet (cruising altitude).

Technically that was my thread title. You stole it. But I'll let it slide. :rolleyes:

who_me · 17-07-2014 7:28pm

double GG wrote: »

I have seen tweets saying people have been stealing rings, jewelry etc.

I happened to be watching a air-crash investigation last night where at a crash-site in Brazil the wreckage was being looted as survivors were climbing out looking for help. Pretty much everything was taken including the flight data recorders. I guess it's not as rare as we would have thought.

I can understand the poverty argument but I can't have any empathy for those looting from the dead and dying. What happened to basic human empathy?

double GG · 17-07-2014 7:28pm

Dnrvskie rubbish removed from corpses chains, rings, etc. Took their suitcases. Burn you in hell bitches

Translation of one of the tweets I have seen. I won't post the account name as they have some extremely NSFW pictures.

Will make it very hard to identify some bodies if needed. Passports probably gone. Suitcases pillaged. wallets taken etc..

AFAIK it's pretty much a free for all for people.

fits · 17-07-2014 7:30pm

I'm trying to ascertain that a friend wasn't on this flight. I know she was flying to KUL with MH but not sure from which European airport or whether it was today or yesterday. Not a nice feeling

I totally panicked initially but think it more likely she flew yesterday.

refusetolose · 17-07-2014 7:31pm

double GG wrote: »

Translation of one of the tweets I have seen. I won't post the account name as they have some extremely NSFW pictures.

Will make it very hard to identify some bodies if needed. Passports probably gone. Suitcases pillaged. wallets taken etc..

AFAIK it's pretty much a free for all for people.

pm link pls?

Penny Tration · 17-07-2014 7:31pm

fits wrote: »

I'm trying to ascertain that a friend wasn't on this flight. I know she was flying to KUL with MH but not sure from which European airport or whether it was today or yesterday. Not a nice feeling I totally panicked initially but think it more likely she flew yesterday.

Hopefully she flew yesterday. Read a post back saying it's been confirmed no irish on the flight, so hopefully she's fine.

shadowcomplex · 17-07-2014 7:32pm

I have a long haul flight in 2 weeks time, Flying to Aus via Dubai and Kuala Lumpur todays events makes me uneasy about the flight.

RIP to to those that died

uck51js9zml2yt · 17-07-2014 7:33pm

Countries are only now avoiding Ukraine air space. What they were doing flying over it is anyone's guess

Lingua Franca · 17-07-2014 7:33pm

Separatists found the black box, say they're sending it to Moscow - Dutch News NOS channel

fits · 17-07-2014 7:34pm

green_screen wrote: »

Hopefully she flew yesterday. Read a post back saying it's been confirmed no irish on the flight, so hopefully she's fine.

She is Hungarian.

the_monkey · 17-07-2014 7:35pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I have a long haul flight in 2 weeks time, Flying to Aus via Dubai and Kuala Lumpur todays events makes me uneasy about the flight.

RIP to to those that died

Terrible tragedies, but don't worry ... safest form of travel - fact

bigroad · 17-07-2014 7:36pm

Eight british on board.Itv 1 news.

Penny Tration · 17-07-2014 7:36pm

fits wrote: »

She is Hungarian.

Apologies, what with it being an irish site, I assumed incorrectly.

I hope you hear from her soon and I'm hopeful that she'll be absolutely fine

keno-daytrader · 17-07-2014 7:37pm

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Technically that was my thread title. You stole it. But I'll let it slide. :rolleyes:

The mods merged your thread with mine and this was the outcome, I too shall let your accusation of theft slide.

Penny Tration · 17-07-2014 7:38pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I have a long haul flight in 2 weeks time, Flying to Aus via Dubai and Kuala Lumpur todays events makes me uneasy about the flight.

RIP to to those that died

You'll be grand.

I'm terrified of flying, and had to take a flight shortly after the last Malaysian Airlines disaster and I freaked out. No need to though, it was fine.

tharmor · 17-07-2014 7:38pm

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

1km = 1000m so 10km is 10,000m

No wonder maths is poor in pur country !!

TheCoolWay · 17-07-2014 7:39pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I have a long haul flight in 2 weeks time, Flying to Aus via Dubai and Kuala Lumpur todays events makes me uneasy about the flight.

RIP to to those that died

You won't fly anywhere near Ukraine if that makes you feel 1% better

mickmackey1 · 17-07-2014 7:41pm

tharmor wrote: »

No wonder maths is poor in pur country !!

And spelling

kingshankly · 17-07-2014 7:43pm

green_screen wrote: »

Fcuk off, it's not funny to joke about this.

It was meant as a dig at the garth brooks drama apologies offered

Nonoperational · 17-07-2014 7:45pm

fr336 wrote: »

Ain't this the truth. Never ever "Ah it'll be ok" or influenced by others.

To be fair, it's a lucky coincidence and I'm delighted he is ok, but your gut feeling has nothing to do with tragedies like this. I'm sure there are people who changed the other way too.

RIP to all involved. Sickening stuff.

kona · 17-07-2014 7:49pm

What a bunch of scumbags

YbFocus · 17-07-2014 7:52pm

Somewhere out there is someone who pulled the trigger to start all of this today. I hope he realises what he has done is awful.

Whatever about targeting your enemy, to take down a civil jet is an unthinkable act

As Fred Woodworth said...

"It seems like such a terrible shame that innocent civilians have to get hurt in wars, otherwise combat would be such a wonderfully healthy way to rid the human race of unneeded trash"

fits · 17-07-2014 7:55pm

Does anyone know if any Hungarian passengers on board? ( relying on my phone for internet as travelling so can't look properly)

kona · 17-07-2014 7:55pm

They will never find out anything here the Russians will cover it up. Look at the polish tupolev that "crashed" taking out most of the countries leaders. There's a very interesting theory about it.

Captain Chaos · 17-07-2014 7:55pm

YbFocus wrote: »

Whatever about targeting your enemy, to take down a civil jet is an unthinkable act
"

The terrible thing is that if today's act was intentional or not, it has been done on purpose before by the USSR and possibly by the USN, never fully proven.

Lingua Franca · 17-07-2014 7:58pm

fits wrote: »

Does anyone know if any Hungarian passengers on board? ( relying on my phone for internet as travelling so can't look properly)

Not yet but Dutch news is getting information earlier than Ireland/UK and the news has taken over channel 1. I'll let you know the second I hear anything.

fits · 17-07-2014 8:02pm

I'm pretty sure she went yesterday but no update yet so would be good to know she is safe.

vicwatson · 17-07-2014 8:09pm

Kate Panicky Jazz wrote: »

Countries are only now avoiding Ukraine air space. What they were doing flying over it is anyone's guess

US airlines have avoided the airspace since (I think) April

It's all about the money, money, money

tharmor · 17-07-2014 8:11pm

fits wrote: »

I'm pretty sure she went yesterday but no update yet so would be good to know she is safe.

I hope you have called her and she did not reply and hence you are saying all this here on public forum. .

cml387 · 17-07-2014 8:11pm

There could be the possibility of a major diplomatic row.
Since the accident happened in Ukraine, the investigation should be Ukrainian. If , as seems possible, the rebels have control of the area, then evidence including CVR and DFDR could be sent to Moscow.And investigation of the crash site?
The Russians should send the black boxes back to Kiev. But what if they don't?

listermint · 17-07-2014 8:13pm

vicwatson wrote: »

US airlines have avoided the airspace since (I think) April

It's all about the money, money, money

Evidence of this?

Lots of blatant opinion on this.

tharmor · 17-07-2014 8:14pm

Is it a coincidence that today is 17th....??

billie1b · 17-07-2014 8:15pm

tharmor wrote: »

Is it a coincidence that today is 17th....??

P I double S off with your conspiracy and coincidental crap

Lingua Franca · 17-07-2014 8:17pm

Press conference in half an hour.

HeidiHeidi · 17-07-2014 8:26pm

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Press conference in half an hour.

Where?

Sorry, I'm not really asking where.

What channels will be covering it? All of them?

Lingua Franca · 17-07-2014 8:27pm

Schiphol.

Stinicker · 17-07-2014 8:45pm

There was a teenage girl behind me in the queue in schipol balling crying and I was going to ask if she was ok but I was then called as I hadn't got my boarding pass in Cork, she really freaked me out and I was shaking with nerves myself. I never noticed her after that now but I'm really upset and freaked and she was not the only one freaked by boarding that jet. We are all alive but I can't help thinking I was only a click of a mouse from sealing my destiny, I also took strong sedatives (benzo diazepene) and slept for a lot of the flight as while I have clocked up 73 flights and over 120,000 air miles in my life yesterday's was the only I was truly nervous of due to MH370, I flew through the tail of Typhoon Rammasun afterwards from KUL to MNL and it was the most turbulent I was on ever, yet I felt safe on the new 737-800, the escape from the jaws of death I made is amazing.

I landed here in Manila to a scene of devastation, no electricity, sweat dripping from every pore, incalculable grinding poverty, awake over 40 hours and then I read of the miraculous escape I made. A quirk of fate or something else bigger? One thing is for sure that is a day I will never forget and for now as the jet lag starts to win the war and as I approach 50 hours awake must now I go to my sleep.

Lingua Franca · 17-07-2014 8:52pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Where?

Sorry, I'm not really asking where.

What channels will be covering it? All of them?

Sorry, no idea. The scrolling bar at the bottom of Ned 1 is saying press conference at 21:53 (so, in just one minute). If it's in Dutch and not going out everywhere I'll post any key points I can figure out.

The Cool · 17-07-2014 8:54pm

Stinicker - I'm not into the paranormal but you'd nearly say someone somewhere was looking out for you. While of course it's no help that 295 people still died, even still - glad to have you still with us. I hope the rest of your travels go well and if you need to, talk to somebody about how you're feeling. Sending happy thoughts.

the_monkey · 17-07-2014 8:55pm

Lucky you escaped, but I wouldn't think about it too much, you could get survivors guilt - and don't think "what made me change my flight" - nothing did, randomness did.

There is no answer here , and if there is you'll never find it .

Glad you are ok .

the_monkey · 17-07-2014 8:56pm

The Cool wrote: »

Stinicker - I'm not into the paranormal but you'd nearly say someone somewhere was looking out for you. While of course it's no help that 295 people still died, even still - glad to have you still with us. I hope the rest of your travels go well and if you need to, talk to somebody about how you're feeling. Sending happy thoughts.

Please --- this is crap ... while 295 people deserved to die including 80 kids ???

I'm glad he's ok , but it's luck - pure and simple.

Don't be so arrogant to think he/she has a guardian angel - it's disrespectful to those who died.

dowlingm · 17-07-2014 9:09pm

Eurocontrol have issued a statement noting that Ukraine (a Eurocontrol member, which Russia is not) had closed the airspace below 32,000 feet but not above that and thus Eurocontrol were allocating routes accordingly. MH17 was at 10,000m/33,000ft.

Ukraine has now closed the Dnipropetrovsk FIR completely and routes filed will be rejected.

http://www.eurocontrol.int/news/mh-17-ukraine

A Primal Nut · 17-07-2014 9:14pm

fits wrote: »

Does anyone know if any Hungarian passengers on board? ( relying on my phone for internet as travelling so can't look properly)

Unofficial list of nationalities here but there are 58 passengers not included yet. No Hungarians mentioned.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/18/MH17-unofficial-nationality-list/

Stinicker · 17-07-2014 9:15pm

the_monkey wrote: »

Please --- this is crap ... while 295 people deserved to die including 80 kids ???

I'm glad he's ok , but it's luck - pure and simple.

Don't be so arrogant to think he/she has a guardian angel - it's disrespectful to those who died.

I believe something, guardian angel be it whatever, saved me but I respect your opinion also. MH17 on Wed was overbooked and I was going to volunteer off as there was a typhoon here in Manila and I was afraid I'd get stuck in KL for a day as many flights into MNL were cancelled.

I was also wrecked tired as I flew from Cork at 6am and had no sleep since 9am the morning of the 15th, volunteering myself as an offload was the sort of thing I'd normally do in this situation as I travel alone and could have badly done with the sleep at the time, free hotel, food in Amsterdam, my normal decision was to do this and adding to my decision was that I also had the centre crappy seat in the 2-5-2 layout which they couldn't change due to it being full, however again something told me not to bother volunteering and staying overnight in Amsterdam which In hindsight would have put me on the fateful flight. I tried sleeping put can't due to jet lag and this.

Two changes of mind prevented me from being on MH17 on Thursday against my normal chain of thought / habits. Some of the people who I seen and possibly talked to in the gate area are now dead as they volunteered as offloads for Thursdays flight which seems was also full now as they got offloads from Wednesdays flight unless they went by a different airline.

beer enigma · 17-07-2014 9:22pm

What strikes me looking at the dreadful images is how concentrated the crash site is bearing in mind it was travelling at 33,000 ft. The missile must have just clipped it.

I see APN are now saying that they saw a BUK missile system in the town of Snizhne earlier in the day - you'd wonder why the info wasn't picked up on and a flight warning issued.

Sugar Free · 17-07-2014 9:23pm

fr336 wrote: »

It's sad that if ATC and the airlines had simply done the most stupidly obvious thing imaginable - not flying commercial or even any other aircraft over a POTENTIALLY dubious area at times or unrest - this would never have happened.

I was listening to the TV and British Airways have a flight that goes straight over there. Can you imagine if it had to be a BA..not saying Malaysian aren't important, but the West collectively would have had a fit.

God we're a stupid species sometimes.

I'm not well informed about this but don't commercial airlines regularly fly routes over the likes of Afghanistan/Iraq etc? Surely this would have been a similiar principle?

Edit: Just read back a few pages. Seems it could have been an anti-aircraft missile system that can fire missiles capable of reaching cruising altitude.

the_monkey · 17-07-2014 9:23pm

They say the missile strike is not confirmed , but is this just safe talk ? is it 90% likely it was a shoot down?

mickmackey1 · 17-07-2014 9:26pm

the_monkey wrote: »

Please --- this is crap ... while 295 people deserved to die including 80 kids ???

I'm glad he's ok , but it's luck - pure and simple.

Don't be so arrogant to think he/she has a guardian angel - it's disrespectful to those who died.

Stop pretending you know more than anyone else.

The universe is a hugely complex place and you haven't got a clue what the answers are.

Malaysia Airlines plane shot down in Ukraine near Russian border[Mod warning post#193

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