Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 10:32AM

markc91 wrote: »

Are Upc doing any deals on MUTV while the pre-season is on for the friendlies?

No Idea, but their are UPC reps on boards. Ask one of them.

Always worth a shot just ringing up and asking and have an aul haggle with them

markc91 · 17-07-2014 10:44AM

Did someone have a code for 20% off the new jersey in elverys on here?

Backstreet Moyes · 17-07-2014 10:46AM

I would be shocked if Madrid let Varane go but if he wants first team football he might force a move.

17-07-2014 10:51AM

Can we just have 10 posts of sunshine and lollipops? This thread is a real downer today

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 10:51AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I would be shocked if Madrid let Varane go but if he wants first team football he might force a move.

Varane and Jose had a good relationship at Madrid, Id say Chelsea might trump us if he became available.

Larry Wildman · 17-07-2014 10:52AM

Crimson King wrote: »

Juan Mata is the best player at United, period. The team should be built around him.

Still cannot fcuking believe he plays for Manchester United.

I like the guy but for me he's still in the "unproven panic buy we didn't need" bracket.

There is no real evidence yet that he's been a good signing.

17-07-2014 10:54AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I like the guy but for me he's still in the "unproven panic buy we didn't need" bracket.

There is no real evidence yet that he's been a good signing.

The word unproven doesn't belong on the same page when talking about Juan Mata, never mind sentence.

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 10:57AM

Liam O wrote: »

The word unproven doesn't belong on the same page when talking about Juan Mata, never mind sentence.

While its unfair to judge him yet, so far Mata was a panic buy and hasnt shown much to justify why we bought him yet. Hes been average at best in a United shirt

bucketybuck · 17-07-2014 10:58AM

Liam O wrote: »

The word unproven doesn't belong on the same page when talking about Juan Mata, never mind sentence.

His point was very clear indeed. The signing of Mata did not change our fortunes in the slightest, it did not fix any of the problems that needed fixing and he did not give us anything we didn't already have.

In the long run it may indeed turn out to be a worthy signing but as it stands that has not been proven.

redbaron_99 · 17-07-2014 11:00AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I like the guy but for me he's still in the "unproven panic buy we didn't need" bracket.

There is no real evidence yet that he's been a good signing.

You don't have much knowledge of football.

17-07-2014 11:02AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

His point was very clear indeed. The signing of Mata did not change our fortunes in the slightest, it did not fix any of the problems that needed fixing and he did not give us anything we didn't already have.

In the long run it may indeed turn out to be a worthy signing but as it stands that has not been proven.

Well if that was his point he shouldn't have called him unproven. He didn't change the fortunes because his signing didn't get rid of all the players who clearly didn't give a shìt and weren't playing for the manager which is something that everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten in recent weeks and will be one of LVG's biggest hurdles if he's going to change anything.

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 11:02AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

You don't have much knowledge of football.

I think what he meant was he hasnt proved to be worth 37 million yet for United and hasnt proved to be a success at the club yet.

He has proved at Chelsea that he can do the business alright, but whether he will recapture that form remains to be seen.

Crimson King · 17-07-2014 11:04AM

There are two World Class players at United, and there are a number of excellent players who either have not risen for whatever reason (Rooney and Kagawa spring to mind). Then there are players like Adnan and De Gea who could very well be stars soon. Even Rafael could develop into the player we all hope for. I am happy they are at the club and going to be utilised and developed by someone like LVG.

Van Persie and Mata are world class, full stop. Mata came into United with a lot of pressure on him and a manager who had lost the squad and still managed 6 goals in 15 games. Van Gaal will know how to use him and if it means dropping Rooney albeit.

redbaron_99 · 17-07-2014 11:05AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

I think what he meant was he hasnt proved to be worth 37 million yet for United and hasnt proved to be a success at the club yet.

He has proved at Chelsea that he can do the business alright, but whether he will recapture that form remains to be seen.

He proved himself at Chelsea and in the Premier League and Champions league, hence the 37 million price tag.

bangkok · 17-07-2014 11:06AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

None of them were world class when we signed them. They became world class and reached their potential at United though

ah wouldn't agree with that now, evra was one of the best left backs around when we signed him, and vidic was immense players at Moscow, just didn't see much of vidic. loads of clubs including real Madrid wanted evra 2 years before he signed for us.

and Dwight yorke was one of the best strikers in Europe along with cole for 2 years, just could never showcase his talents in Europe with villa

redbaron_99 · 17-07-2014 11:07AM

Crimson King wrote: »

There are two World Class players at United, and there are a number of excellent players who either have not risen for whatever reason (Rooney and Kagawa spring to mind). Then there are players like Adnan and De Gea who could very well be stars soon. Even Rafael could develop into the player we all hope for. I am happy they are at the club and going to be utilised and developed by someone like LVG.

Van Persie and Mata are world class, full stop. Mata came into United with a lot of pressure on him and a manager who had lost the squad and still managed 6 goals in 15 games. Van Gaal will know how to use him and if it means dropping Rooney albeit.

I actually think Mata could be our player of the season next year.

bangkok · 17-07-2014 11:07AM

Crimson King wrote: »

There are two World Class players at United, and there are a number of excellent players who either have not risen for whatever reason (Rooney and Kagawa spring to mind). Then there are players like Adnan and De Gea who could very well be stars soon. Even Rafael could develop into the player we all hope for. I am happy they are at the club and going to be utilised and developed by someone like LVG.

Van Persie and Mata are world class, full stop. Mata came into United with a lot of pressure on him and a manager who had lost the squad and still managed 6 goals in 15 games. Van Gaal will know how to use him and if it means dropping Rooney albeit.

de gea is probably top 3-5 goalies in the world right now

DM_7 · 17-07-2014 11:09AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Still remins to be seen TBH, he hasnt shown the form since he signed that made him POTY with Chelsea. I do have hopes that LVG will get him to that level again tho.

For me you have to judge the signing in its merits at the time if we are talking about how transfer business is done. He was a great signing, he is a great player. I couldn't be any happier that he was signed. It was a great bit of business as United were able to get a player that Chelsea wouldn't have sold to United if they waited till the summer.

In the long run it may not work out but that is a different issue.

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 11:10AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

I actually think Mata could be our player of the season next year.

I agree, he could. Hes a fantastic player who could remind people why he was Chelseas POTY 2 years in a row

glued · 17-07-2014 11:11AM

Varane is by far the best young CB around at the minute. There is no chance Madrid will let him go

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 11:12AM

DM-ICE wrote: »

For me you have to judge the signing in its merits at the time if we are talking about how transfer business is done. He was a great signing, he is a great player. I couldn't be any happier that he was signed. It was a great bit of business as United were able to get a player that Chelsea wouldn't have sold to United if they waited till the summer.

In the long run it may not work out but that is a different issue.

You can only call him a great signing if he plays well consistently, just like any signing really. Ill judge him at the end of the season as to whether hes a good signing or not.

redbaron_99 · 17-07-2014 11:13AM

Personally, I'm getting the feeling that our spending is pretty much done for the summer. With that in mind, I think we'll be in a fight with Liverpool and Spurs for the fourth place spot. If we get a spate of injuries, we might have to settle for a Europa league place.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-07-2014 11:14AM

FutureGuy wrote: »

The L is like a bag on me but the medium is pretty good.

Feck off with your thinness and leave the soccer forum to us XL (if we stretch it a bit) people.

homerjay2005 · 17-07-2014 11:15AM

right now, this is our first 11 for next season IMO. the players in bold need to be "replaced" as they are not good enough to be first 11 in the bigger games so we need two players signed. if we do this, ill be more confident about a better season than struggling for 4th place.

DDG

Jones-

Evans

Rafael

Shaw

Herrera

Carrick

TV/AJ/Nani

Mata

Rooney

RVP

bucketybuck · 17-07-2014 11:17AM

DM-ICE wrote: »

For me you have to judge the signing in its merits at the time if we are talking about how transfer business is done. He was a great signing, he is a great player. I couldn't be any happier that he was signed. It was a great bit of business as United were able to get a player that Chelsea wouldn't have sold to United if they waited till the summer.

In the long run it may not work out but that is a different issue.

If you are judging by the merits of the time then it was a poor signing because like I said the signing did not change our fortunes in the slightest. Players and signings are a means to an end and the signing of Mata did not achieve anything.

A good signing would have made an impact on the teams performances, a proper midfielder might even have gotten us into fourth place, thats the standard a signing should be judged by not some nebulous delight just to have him on board.

I'm very happy he is a United player and in the long run I am confident he will contribute, but in the short term it just wasn't what we needed and so was a poor signing by the merits of the time.

redbaron_99 · 17-07-2014 11:19AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

right now, this is our first 11 for next season IMO. the players in bold need to be "replaced" as they are not good enough to be first 11 in the bigger games so we need two players signed. if we do this, ill be more confident about a better season than struggling for 4th place.

DDG
Jones-
Evans
Rafael
Shaw
Herrera
Carrick
TV/AJ/Nani
Mata
Rooney
RVP

I think it goes deeper than that. Jones and Evans are both very injury prone and will likely spend a chunk of the season out. Rafeal is also injury prone and could miss a lot. Our two other CBs are Smalling, and Keane who has little in the way of experience. Also, we have no back up for Shaw (RISKY)
Carrick isn't good enough against any of the sides in the top half. Cleverley is worse, Fellaini doesnt fit in, I would fancy myself in a match against Anderson, and Fletcher is unreliable in terms of fitness.
Lots of problems, very few being addressed - Despite us being one of the richest clubs in the world.

Bad management continues.

DM_7 · 17-07-2014 11:19AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so signing an 18 year old for £29m makes you happy? are you actually serious?

the only people that should be happy are the southampton board and fans, its a crazy deal and we are the only club in the world who would actually sanction it.

i am happy we signed him as i hope he will nail down the LB position for years to come, but i think theres £12 to £15million over spend there that could and should have been spent towards a genuine top quality world class attacking player which is where our first priority should be.

Yes I am serious.

I was critical of the price as it was high for an 18 year old. But I was happy that the club were willing to pay a premium to get a player they really wanted, penny pinching and value in the market no longer the greatest priority. Even though Van Gaal was at the World Cup they were getting deals done early unlike Moyes and his indecision early in the job.

It is possible to have reservations about a fee or player while also being happy with how a deal was done.

Shaw was certainly worth more than 15 million to United.

On priority, the club should only prioritise money from a budget, not the order players are signed. United wouldn't pay that much for Shaw if stopped them signing someone of greater priority and available.

beakerjoe · 17-07-2014 11:20AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

right now, this is our first 11 for next season IMO. the players in bold need to be "replaced" as they are not good enough to be first 11 in the bigger games so we need two players signed. if we do this, ill be more confident about a better season than struggling for 4th place.

DDG
Jones-
Evans
Rafael
Shaw
Herrera
Carrick
TV/AJ/Nani
Mata
Rooney
RVP

We would need cover at LB and CB too

bangkok · 17-07-2014 11:20AM

glued wrote: »

Varane is by far the best young CB around at the minute. There is no chance Madrid will let him go

yea he is quality, needs to bulk up a bit more but that will come in time, fergie almost signed him but the zidane factor helped him move to Madrid, up there with marquinhos and mangala as prob best young centre backs around. Nastasic at city also good

Maximus Alexander · 17-07-2014 11:21AM

While I find it very hard to believe that there will be no more signings, Van Gaal showed at the World Cup that he is able to take some limited players, sprinkled with a couple of greats, and have them perform to a high standard as a unit. It shouldn't be all doom and gloom either way.

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