Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

wes · 14-07-2014 11:15PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.

If your calling things crusades, then your not a whole better than the nutters like Al Qaeda and ISIS.........

RoyalCelt · 14-07-2014 11:23PM

I'm going to get slated for this but I think the Brooks saga should be the headline when it affects 400k irish people and many more who are going to lose out financially because of this.

How many Irish people are over in Gaza that will be affected? Not too many.

Before you all call me a heartless bastard, I don't see why everyone in ireland goes mad about gazan's being killed when the same number and more are dying in other parts of the world. People for some reason have an agenda with israel and gaza. Pro american versus anti american? IDK and IDC.

Anyway GAZA fired rockets into Israel and would kill them all with a nuke if they could. Don't give it if you can't take it. If GAZA or Israel started firing rockets into your town and killing your friends or family you'd not be so sympathetic and call on governments to not retaliate and just let us get bombed.

Don't bother dragging me into a moral argument either, I'm one of those green eco friendly freaks who thinks this planet is better off without humans full stop. We're just bacteria destroying the world bit by bit. The sooner were all gone the better. Hopefully the monkeys survive, then evolve and treat the world a little better than we did.

Anyway I probably look a bit silly now so I'm going to go. Let's hope tomorrow never comes.

keki · 14-07-2014 11:29PM

It's not everyday five concerts get cancelled

The Middle East has been a ****hole since who knows how long, it's not news that bad **** happens there

end of the road · 14-07-2014 11:36PM

the rockets are in retaliation for the raping and slaughter of civilians by israel, even if the rockets weren't fired israel would find another excuse to blow the **** out of gaza, just because they are a little buddy of america doesn't mean israel are the good guys

wes · 14-07-2014 11:38PM

obplayer wrote: »

Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"

This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."

Interesting that the first google search result is from a site called brainy quote and none of the subsequent mentions of the quote come from a reputable source, in fact by the 4th results we are on to web forums. Odd that the quote isn't featured on a major news site on the first page of google results.......

Oh even, if it true, the man is dead, and you will find all sorts of awful crap being said by both sides. It wouldn't exactly be hard to dig up similar quotes from the other side.

obplayer wrote: »

The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:

An awful document, no disagreement there but one that is largely abrogated by there later election manifesto.

obplayer wrote: »

And some more recent quotes from Hamas representatives....

"Our goal is to liberate all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, from Rosh Hanikra to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat]. We do not want a state 364 square kilometers in size, nor do we want a state which we had to beg for at the negotiating table. Such a state will never come to be. What we want is a free state, which maintains its dignity, 27,000 square kilometers in size – the size of Palestine in its entirety."

(Hamas representative Osama Hamdan at press conference, Hamas Al Aqsa TV, Dec. 2008).

So Hamas want all the land just like Israels government is doing, who is actually you know taking all of the land...... Strange how saying you will do something is somehow worse than doing it, according to some people. You see Israels government is doing exactly that, but apparently Hamas are far worse, for wanting to do the same thing to Israeli's, that is being done to the Palestinians.......

obplayer wrote: »

"The day will come, within several years, when this world will change, submitting to the Arab Islamic will, Allah willing."

(Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, Al Jazeera TV, October 12, 2008).

"The annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine. This will be followed by a greater blessing, Allah be praised, with the establishment of a Caliphate that will rule the land and will be pleasing to men and God."

(Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu 'Ita, Hamas Al-Aqsa TV, July 13, 2008).

Now, now both of those quote originate from MEMRI translations (I take its thats why you didn't link where the quotes come from), which are not trust worthy as MEMRI have been caught out with fake translation before:

Sourcewatch on MEMRI

More example of there fake translations available online, which you can find with a quick google search.

obplayer · 14-07-2014 11:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

the rockets are in retaliation for the raping and slaughter of civilians by israel, even if the rockets weren't fired israel would find another excuse to blow the **** out of gaza, just because they are a little buddy of america doesn't mean israel are the good guys

Do you have some evidence to back this claim up? Wouldn't it be worth a try by Hamas, if they genuinely want a peace which does not involve the complete destruction of Israel, to give it a try for, say, a year? Even though it would go completely against their charter to try peace?

end of the road · 14-07-2014 11:46PM

obplayer wrote: »

Do you have some evidence to back this claim up? Wouldn't it be worth a try by Hamas, if they genuinely want a peace which does not involve the complete destruction of Israel, to give it a try for, say, a year? Even though it would go completely against their charter to try peace?

they have tried it for months over the years, it never worked

RoyalCelt · 14-07-2014 11:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

the rockets are in retaliation for the raping and slaughter of civilians by israel, even if the rockets weren't fired israel would find another excuse to blow the **** out of gaza, just because they are a little buddy of america doesn't mean israel are the good guys

neither are the good guys. both sides are religious fanatics. One however would blow the other up with nukes if it could so it's hard to call the Israelis looneys and not the other.

wes · 14-07-2014 11:53PM

obplayer wrote: »

Do you have some evidence to back this claim up?

Oh your looking for evidence, well that very easy to come by. You see in the West Bank, where Fatah is running the show, they have been working with Israeli security forces, to prevent attacks on Israel. The Palestinian security forces were trained by the US.

Now you see in the West Bank, Fatah sat down and talked to Israel, and during the most recent peace talks, which failed when Israel went back on there promises made during the talks. Now during the entire time, that Fatah has talked to Israel, the settlements have just gotten bigger and bigger.

So the evidence your looking for is the existence of over half a million illegal Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and the fact that the PA security forces have worked with Israel to prevent attacks on Israel, and have gotten nothing except more settlements in return.

obplayer wrote: »

Wouldn't it be worth a try by Hamas, if they genuinely want a peace which does not involve the complete destruction of Israel, to give it a try for, say, a year? Even though it would go completely against their charter to try peace?

Hamas have held a ceasefire for the last year....... Which Israel broke, after they attacked them, when the 3 teenage settlers were murdered, not by Hamas, but by a rogue group, which Netanyahu knew, and actually put a gag on the Israeli media, to hide the fact that they knew they were dead and that the most likely culprits were not Hamas:

How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza

Red Nissan · 14-07-2014 11:59PM

smurgen wrote: »

just take the medication,you'll be fine

I'll be dead dear boy. If you are under 40, you'll face it. just a friendly.

wes · 15-07-2014 12:01AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I'll be dead dear boy. If you are under 40, you'll face it. just a friendly.

I am sure that ISIS nutters are saying the exact same things, when they are looking to recruit people........

obplayer · 15-07-2014 12:13AM

wes wrote: »

Interesting that the first google search result is from a site called brainy quote and none of the subsequent mentions of the quote come from a reputable source, in fact by the 4th results we are on to web forums. Odd that the quote isn't featured on a major news site on the first page of google results.......

Oh even, if it true, the man is dead, and you will find all sorts of awful crap being said by both sides. It wouldn't exactly be hard to dig up similar quotes from the other side.

An awful document, no disagreement there but one that is largely abrogated by there later election manifesto.

Quotes from their election manifesto please? And perhaps some evidence that it matches their actions. Their charter after all does match their actions.

So Hamas want all the land just like Israels government is doing, who is actually you know taking all of the land...... Strange how saying you will do something is somehow worse than doing it, according to some people. You see Israels government is doing exactly that, but apparently Hamas are far worse, for wanting to do the same thing to Israeli's, that is being done to the Palestinians.......

Israel has the land and has had for 70 years. It has no intention of giving it up. There comes a point where you have to face reality, and launching rockets time and again knowing you will suffer retaliation is simply crazy.

Now, now both of those quote originate from MEMRI translations (I take its thats why you didn't link where the quotes come from), which are not trust worthy as MEMRI have been caught out with fake translation before:

Sourcewatch on MEMRI

More example of there fake translations available online, which you can find with a quick google search.

Okay, from the Guardian 2012....
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal vowed Gaza's rulers would never give up "an inch of the land" to Israel in an uncompromising speech before tens of thousands of cheering supporters at a triumphalist "victory" rally in Gaza City.
"Palestine is ours, from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told the crowd on his first visit to Gaza. "We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."

Meshaal congratulated fighters from Hamas and other armed groups who targeted long-range missiles at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, saying: "We don't fight Jews because they are Jews. We fight the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to fight anyone who takes our land and our holy places … We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone."

The Middle East is a mess and there are many people with blood on their hands, but the fact is Israel is here and here to stay, and like any people they will defend themselves and hit back if attacked.

wendell borton · 15-07-2014 12:19AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.

More of an Byzantium like buffer state than a crusade.

fergus1001 · 15-07-2014 12:21AM

The us of a and Britton support Israel because they gave them that land without consulting with anyone who lived there after the end of world war 2

The USA and the English are responsible for the crisis there today

Red Nissan · 15-07-2014 12:27AM

obplayer wrote: »

The Middle East is a mess and there are many people with blood on their hands, but the fact is Israel is here and here to stay, and like any people they will defend themselves and hit back if attacked.

At this point in time we need a deeply religious people with a chip on their shoulder to resist Islam and the Christian church alike and with almost evangelical military tactics and generously supplied top line weaponry and munitions and in a geophysical location to be so effective.

We are using these Jews and manipulating them as much as Hitler did, the tactics change, the names, Hitler, Bush, Blair, Obama change, but the mission is the same, the goal is the same.

So what if Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen, so what if Bush bombed the twins, if we don't get the message, we will lose.

PC correctness has gone so far in the west, health and safety is also extreme, so what say we just bomb a few people, we are sooooooo far from being PC and H&S now, Ha haa aahahhaaa.

obplayer · 15-07-2014 12:28AM

wes wrote: »

Hamas have held a ceasefire for the last year....... Which Israel broke, after they attacked them, when the 3 teenage settlers were murdered, not by Hamas, but by a rogue group, which Netanyahu knew, and actually put a gag on the Israeli media, to hide the fact that they knew they were dead and that the most likely culprits were not Hamas:

How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza

From the link you gave...

'On June 29, an Israeli air attack on a rocket squad killed a Hamas operative.'
Either the rocket squad was ready to launch an attack or Israel thought it was. Either way deploying rocket squads is hardly a good way to keep a ceasefire.

Nodin · 15-07-2014 12:31AM

wendell borton wrote: »

More of an Byzantium like buffer state than a crusade.

More like a state aiding colonialism and getting away with it because their ally has a UNSC veto.

obplayer · 15-07-2014 12:38AM

fergus1001 wrote: »

The us of a and Britton support Israel because they gave them that land without consulting with anyone who lived there after the end of world war 2

The USA and the English are responsible for the crisis there today

You can play the blame game from now to doomsday but it doesn't help. We are where we are and that is what we have to accept and deal with. In the end, the Palestinians will simply have to accept that Israel is here to stay and set about dealing with that reality.

WakeUp · 15-07-2014 01:44AM

Wonder does any of this have to do with the natural gas/oil deposits contained in Gazan territorial waters, maybe. among other things.
http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/gaza-marine-offshore-field
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Blood-for-gas-Why-Bibi-is-by-Pepe-Escobar-Bibi-Netanyahu_Gaza-Invasion_Israel_Oil-140714-236.html

brimal · 15-07-2014 06:52AM

Israel have accepted the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire.

Hamas have rejected it.

Israel has approved the Egyptian-proposed Gaza truce, while the armed wing of Hamas has rejected the ceasefire.

Israeli officials said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's security cabinet had convened to vote on the deal at Israeli military headquarters in Tel Aviv.

However, the armed wing of Hamas threatened to "intensify" its conflict with Israel if truce terms were unsatisfactory.

"No official or unofficial side has approached us about the ceasefire talked about in the media ... (but) if the contents of this proposal are true, it is a surrender and we reject it outright," the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement.

"Our battle with the enemy will intensify."

http://m.rte.ie/news/touch//2014/0715/630798-israel-gaza/

Hamas would be crazy to reject this, they need this ceasefire more than Israel does. I suspect they will agree eventually and are just trying to save face after receiving such a beating these last few days.

keano_afc · 15-07-2014 07:02AM

brimal wrote: »

Israel have accepted the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire.

Hamas have rejected it.

http://m.rte.ie/news/touch//2014/0715/630798-israel-gaza/

Hamas would be crazy to reject this, they need this ceasefire more than Israel does. I suspect they will agree eventually and are just trying to save face after receiving such a beating these last few days.

I'm sure this is Israel's fault, somehow.

mad muffin · 15-07-2014 07:03AM

end of the road wrote: »

he is not, he knows what he is talking about, unlike you

stop making up things, nobody believes you

It is you who are making things up. It is you whom nobody believes.

At this stage you just smell like a shill, or someone who has an ace to grind against Israel, against the Jews.

Akrasia · 15-07-2014 07:15AM

Jesus H Allah Hamas! WTF are you thinking!

Accept the bloody ceasefire, stop firing rockets that are ineffectual anyway and let the international community help the Palestinian people.

Accept every offer of international assistance and this will put the pressure on the Israelis. Now the Israel government are well known for having very little regard for international opinion and their official spokespeople are known for their Orwellian doublespeak, but the population of Israel are not all as right wing as the government. There are lots of Israeli people who would love to end this conflict and make peace with the Palestianians

It's fcukin ridiculous that I am appealing to Hamas to be the reasonable ones. Hamas are muslim extremists and the very last people I would expect to be reasonable. It's an absolute disgrace that the 'democratically elected' Israeli government can't be the brokers of peace and lead the way towards a genuine two state solution, but unfortunately, I don't see Likud Zionist parties) ever agreeing to a sustainable peace as long as there are Arabs in Palestine

keano_afc · 15-07-2014 07:30AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Jesus H Allah Hamas! WTF are you thinking!

Accept the bloody ceasefire, stop firing rockets that are ineffectual anyway and let the international community help the Palestinian people.

Accept every offer of international assistance and this will put the pressure on the Israelis. Now the Israel government are well known for having very little regard for international opinion and their official spokespeople are known for their Orwellian doublespeak, but the population of Israel are not all as right wing as the government. There are lots of Israeli people who would love to end this conflict and make peace with the Palestianians

It's fcukin ridiculous that I am appealing to Hamas to be the reasonable ones. Hamas are muslim extremists and the very last people I would expect to be reasonable. It's an absolute disgrace that the 'democratically elected' Israeli government can't be the brokers of peace and lead the way towards a genuine two state solution, but unfortunately, I don't see Likud Zionist parties) ever agreeing to a sustainable peace as long as there are Arabs in Palestine

Well there are Arabs in the Knesset, so thats not really an issue. The issue is that Hamas exists for the purpose of the eradication of Israel. A ceasefire is not really of any use to them.

Akrasia · 15-07-2014 07:55AM

And the Zonists want palestine gone and replaced with a zionist regime, neither side are naturally inclined to compromise, but from a strategic point of view, one side has all the military power, the the other side is hopelessly underpowered and therefore their only hope of survival is to moderate their behaviour and win international support for their position.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-07-2014 08:11AM

Israel calling their bluff now

I Heart Internet · 15-07-2014 08:43AM

Hamas: "No thanks, we prefer having our people killed, fighters and civilians alike. It's all the same to us."

Akrasia · 15-07-2014 08:53AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas: "No thanks, we prefer having our people killed, fighters and civilians alike. It's all the same to us."

Its not that simple. It's not like there will be a ceasefire and then the hostilities end and everyone lives happily ever after. No matter what happens here, the palestinians still lose. They might not be facing air strikes, but they're still locked up in their open air prison with no hope of ever achieving freedom.

Israel don't really care if Hamas accept or reject the proposals because
A) Hamas can't hurt them militarily and so ceasefire or no ceasefire, little changes for the average israli citizen

No matter what the proposals are, Israel can accept them for PR reasons and then break the agreement whenever it suits them knowing that there will be no consequences for them.

Azwaldo55 · 15-07-2014 09:02AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas: "No thanks, we prefer having our people killed, fighters and civilians alike. It's all the same to us."

Allahu snackbar!

wes · 15-07-2014 09:02AM

obplayer wrote: »

Quotes from their election manifesto please? And perhaps some evidence that it matches their actions. Their charter after all does match their actions.

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto

Hamas actions reflect a group retaliating against Israel territorial expansion, which doesn't make what there doing right.

obplayer wrote: »

Israel has the land and has had for 70 years. It has no intention of giving it up. There comes a point where you have to face reality, and launching rockets time and again knowing you will suffer retaliation is simply crazy.

Ok, and no one here is calling for getting rid of Israel, just that Israel returns to its own borders, as per UN resolution 242.

Secondly, whether Hamas launches rockets or not, those pesky settlements seems to expand......

obplayer wrote: »

Okay, from the Guardian 2012....
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal vowed Gaza's rulers would never give up "an inch of the land" to Israel in an uncompromising speech before tens of thousands of cheering supporters at a triumphalist "victory" rally in Gaza City.

"Palestine is ours, from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told the crowd on his first visit to Gaza. "We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."

Meshaal congratulated fighters from Hamas and other armed groups who targeted long-range missiles at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, saying: "We don't fight Jews because they are Jews. We fight the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to fight anyone who takes our land and our holy places … We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone."

So, they have the same position as the Israeli government, except that the Israeli government is actually doing that, with there settlement expansion. Strange how you don't seem to think that an issue....., or you know acknowledge at all. Hamas says it will do something and there the villains. The Israeli government is actually doing it and its not an issue even worth mentioning apparently.

obplayer wrote: »

The Middle East is a mess and there are many people with blood on their hands, but the fact is Israel is here and here to stay, and like any people they will defend themselves and hit back if attacked.

How is expanding outside there borders, the entire time that Hamas held the cease fire self defense, (and not to mention PA security forces working with Israel)? How is breaking the ceasefire, by attacking Hamas, after knowingly falsely accusing Hamas of the kidnap and murder of the 3 settler teenagers? How is it self defense that shortly before that, 2 Palestinians were murdered by the IDF? How are constant terror attacks from settlers in the West Bank (which the IDF do nothing to stop) self defense? It seems to me that Israel is more than often on the offense, whether Hamas are firing rockets or not, and even when the PA is working with Israel, there settlement just keep on expanding.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Comments