Red Nissan wrote: » The Israelis are the fifth crusade, maybe sixth, we need to support them or we will be fighting in the streets and being bombed ourselves in another 20 ~ 30 years.
obplayer wrote: » Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today. "We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!" This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."
obplayer wrote: » The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:
obplayer wrote: » And some more recent quotes from Hamas representatives...."Our goal is to liberate all of Palestine, from the river to the sea, from Rosh Hanikra to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat]. We do not want a state 364 square kilometers in size, nor do we want a state which we had to beg for at the negotiating table. Such a state will never come to be. What we want is a free state, which maintains its dignity, 27,000 square kilometers in size – the size of Palestine in its entirety." (Hamas representative Osama Hamdan at press conference, Hamas Al Aqsa TV, Dec. 2008).
obplayer wrote: » "The day will come, within several years, when this world will change, submitting to the Arab Islamic will, Allah willing." (Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, Al Jazeera TV, October 12, 2008). "The annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine. This will be followed by a greater blessing, Allah be praised, with the establishment of a Caliphate that will rule the land and will be pleasing to men and God." (Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu 'Ita, Hamas Al-Aqsa TV, July 13, 2008).
end of the road wrote: » the rockets are in retaliation for the raping and slaughter of civilians by israel, even if the rockets weren't fired israel would find another excuse to blow the **** out of gaza, just because they are a little buddy of america doesn't mean israel are the good guys
obplayer wrote: » Do you have some evidence to back this claim up? Wouldn't it be worth a try by Hamas, if they genuinely want a peace which does not involve the complete destruction of Israel, to give it a try for, say, a year? Even though it would go completely against their charter to try peace?
obplayer wrote: » Do you have some evidence to back this claim up?
obplayer wrote: » Wouldn't it be worth a try by Hamas, if they genuinely want a peace which does not involve the complete destruction of Israel, to give it a try for, say, a year? Even though it would go completely against their charter to try peace?
smurgen wrote: » just take the medication,you'll be fine
Red Nissan wrote: » I'll be dead dear boy. If you are under 40, you'll face it. just a friendly.
wes wrote: » Interesting that the first google search result is from a site called brainy quote and none of the subsequent mentions of the quote come from a reputable source, in fact by the 4th results we are on to web forums. Odd that the quote isn't featured on a major news site on the first page of google results....... Oh even, if it true, the man is dead, and you will find all sorts of awful crap being said by both sides. It wouldn't exactly be hard to dig up similar quotes from the other side. An awful document, no disagreement there but one that is largely abrogated by there later election manifesto.
So Hamas want all the land just like Israels government is doing, who is actually you know taking all of the land...... Strange how saying you will do something is somehow worse than doing it, according to some people. You see Israels government is doing exactly that, but apparently Hamas are far worse, for wanting to do the same thing to Israeli's, that is being done to the Palestinians.......
Now, now both of those quote originate from MEMRI translations (I take its thats why you didn't link where the quotes come from), which are not trust worthy as MEMRI have been caught out with fake translation before:Sourcewatch on MEMRI More example of there fake translations available online, which you can find with a quick google search.
obplayer wrote: » The Middle East is a mess and there are many people with blood on their hands, but the fact is Israel is here and here to stay, and like any people they will defend themselves and hit back if attacked.
wes wrote: » Hamas have held a ceasefire for the last year....... Which Israel broke, after they attacked them, when the 3 teenage settlers were murdered, not by Hamas, but by a rogue group, which Netanyahu knew, and actually put a gag on the Israeli media, to hide the fact that they knew they were dead and that the most likely culprits were not Hamas:How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza
wendell borton wrote: » More of an Byzantium like buffer state than a crusade.
fergus1001 wrote: » The us of a and Britton support Israel because they gave them that land without consulting with anyone who lived there after the end of world war 2 The USA and the English are responsible for the crisis there today
Israel has approved the Egyptian-proposed Gaza truce, while the armed wing of Hamas has rejected the ceasefire. Israeli officials said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's security cabinet had convened to vote on the deal at Israeli military headquarters in Tel Aviv. However, the armed wing of Hamas threatened to "intensify" its conflict with Israel if truce terms were unsatisfactory. "No official or unofficial side has approached us about the ceasefire talked about in the media ... (but) if the contents of this proposal are true, it is a surrender and we reject it outright," the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement. "Our battle with the enemy will intensify."
brimal wrote: » Israel have accepted the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire. Hamas have rejected it.http://m.rte.ie/news/touch//2014/0715/630798-israel-gaza/ Hamas would be crazy to reject this, they need this ceasefire more than Israel does. I suspect they will agree eventually and are just trying to save face after receiving such a beating these last few days.
end of the road wrote: » he is not, he knows what he is talking about, unlike you stop making up things, nobody believes you
Akrasia wrote: » Jesus H Allah Hamas! WTF are you thinking! Accept the bloody ceasefire, stop firing rockets that are ineffectual anyway and let the international community help the Palestinian people. Accept every offer of international assistance and this will put the pressure on the Israelis. Now the Israel government are well known for having very little regard for international opinion and their official spokespeople are known for their Orwellian doublespeak, but the population of Israel are not all as right wing as the government. There are lots of Israeli people who would love to end this conflict and make peace with the Palestianians It's fcukin ridiculous that I am appealing to Hamas to be the reasonable ones. Hamas are muslim extremists and the very last people I would expect to be reasonable. It's an absolute disgrace that the 'democratically elected' Israeli government can't be the brokers of peace and lead the way towards a genuine two state solution, but unfortunately, I don't see Likud Zionist parties) ever agreeing to a sustainable peace as long as there are Arabs in Palestine
I Heart Internet wrote: » Hamas: "No thanks, we prefer having our people killed, fighters and civilians alike. It's all the same to us."
obplayer wrote: » Quotes from their election manifesto please? And perhaps some evidence that it matches their actions. Their charter after all does match their actions.
obplayer wrote: » Israel has the land and has had for 70 years. It has no intention of giving it up. There comes a point where you have to face reality, and launching rockets time and again knowing you will suffer retaliation is simply crazy.
obplayer wrote: » Okay, from the Guardian 2012....Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal vowed Gaza's rulers would never give up "an inch of the land" to Israel in an uncompromising speech before tens of thousands of cheering supporters at a triumphalist "victory" rally in Gaza City."Palestine is ours, from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told the crowd on his first visit to Gaza. "We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take." Meshaal congratulated fighters from Hamas and other armed groups who targeted long-range missiles at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, saying: "We don't fight Jews because they are Jews. We fight the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to fight anyone who takes our land and our holy places … We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone."
